Massage or Chiropractor?

Any one have a good treatment for the Upper right side of my back. Its like a hard ball of tissue I am on muscle relaxers but they seem to not be working. Been out a month.
 
NormanBaitmen said:
Any one have a good treatment for the Upper right side of my back. Its like a hard ball of tissue I am on muscle relaxers but they seem to not be working. Been out a month.
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Active Release Techniques (ART) seems to be gaining popularity. I'm thinking of trying it out for a couple of nagging injuries to see if it lives up to the hype.
 
What I have come to notice after reading this thread is that the predominant people complaining about Chiropractic Doctors are not in the U.S. Here in California, we have to go to strict schooling and much what we learn is just the same as any other medical doctor.

I know that there are a lot of quacks out there, but there are quacks in every field of medicine and healthcare not just chiropractics.
 
guynamedtroy said:
What I have come to notice after reading this thread is that the predominant people complaining about Chiropractic Doctors are not in the U.S. Here in California, we have to go to strict schooling and much what we learn is just the same as any other medical doctor.

I know that there are a lot of quacks out there, but there are quacks in every field of medicine and healthcare not just chiropractics.
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I found your post very interesting. Before proceeding further though i had a couple of questions/comments for you

1st off...Are you a Chiropractor (or currently in school/training to become a chiropractor)?

2ndly, are you a physcian (MD) that has gone on to become a chiropractor, or are you an individual that is going to school (a chiropractic school) to become a chiropractor (with no previous healthcare experience)?

3rdly i can tell you 1st hand that there is a large portion of the population (including both the scientific and medically community) that are extremely unhappy with the profession of chiropractic as a whole (not in the scence they they "do not like it", but in the sense that it has no scientific basis, and is not based on evidence based science/medicine/practice).

I look forward to hearing from you!
 
Bucketbot said:
I found your post very interesting. Before proceeding further though i had a couple of questions/comments for you

1st off...Are you a Chiropractor (or currently in school/training to become a chiropractor)?

2ndly, are you a physcian (MD) that has gone on to become a chiropractor, or are you an individual that is going to school (a chiropractic school) to become a chiropractor (with no previous healthcare experience)?

3rdly i can tell you 1st hand that there is a large portion of the population (including both the scientific and medically community) that are extremely unhappy with the profession of chiropractic as a whole (not in the scence they they "do not like it", but in the sense that it has no scientific basis, and is not based on evidence based science/medicine/practice).

I look forward to hearing from you!
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I am still in the "pre-med" phase (I am working on Bachelors of Science in Human Biology). I have some experience as being a massage therapist and in the fitness world as a personal trainer. I do know that there are many in the medical/scientific community that still do not fully throw themselves in with the chiropractic practice but it is a legitimate science. I do not support the whole idea that anyone needs just their D.C. (doctor of chiropractics), but do believe that a D.C. is an important aspect of maintaining a person's wellness.

Many DC's not only adjust but provide exercise programs, nutrition advice, and physical therapy for rehabilitation. Many of them also work closely (at least here in California) with other doctors in hospitals. We are taught to have full check ups done to see if that particular patient will be alright for chiropractic work. However, we have to be trained for this sort of stuff, and I am sorry to hear that many of the DC's in your area/country may not be out of the "dark ages" in terms of Chiropractics.

I am still learning a lot myself, and have not gotten into my chiropractic studies as of yet so I may not be the best source of information. However, it is a growing field in which good DCs are beginning to come out of the woodwork and really help people out.

I go to Cleveland Chiropractic College - Los Angeles.
 
Chiropractor has done wonders on me. I had a deep pain between my shoulder blades for 5-6 years, after seeing the Voodoo doctor for about 3 months my pain has been gone for 3 years. On multiple occasions have had low back pain for 2-3 weeks, go see the Voodoo doctor and with in a few days the pain is gone.

To each his own, but my personal experience has been nothing but good with my Chiro.
 
jasond said:
I injured my neck in a No-Gi comp last year and went to a chiropractor for it. We talked about the stuff that a lot of chiro's believe (fixing your immune system by adjusting your spine, etc.), but he said he wasn't interested in any of that. He adjusted my neck and after the first visit, I felt noticeably better.

It still took a few weeks of treatments, but once it was done, I stopped going. A few months after that I tore a groin muscle in training and my ortho just told me to take 2 months off, but didn't give me any kind of rehab.

I went back to my chiro and he hooked me up with ultrasound treatments (basically just deep heat massage) and it sped the healing up tremendously.

So, yeah, I've had good experiences with chiro's, but my chiropractor didn't do /say a lot of the stuff that it seems brings on all the anti-chiropractor hate.
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ultrasound treatment i not chiropractic, even if your chiropractor says so, and being a chiropractor does not qualify him to use therapeutic ultrasound, not saying he wasn't qualified to do that treatment, but it has nothing to do with chiropractic.
 
^ I too anticipate this response.

Tho this is a loaded one because it crosses many definitions thereof.
 
codemonkey76 said:
eagerly awaiting a response from guynamedtroy
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From the World Health Organization:

"A lesion or dysfunction in a joint or motion segment in which alignment, movement integrity and/or physiological function are altered, although contact between joint surfaces remains intact. It is essentially a functional entity, which may influence biomechanical and neural integrity."

Yes, but not in the old school Chiropractic belief.

An important statement by Professor Philip S. Bolton of the School of Biomedical Sciences at University of Newcastle, Australia who writes in the Journal of Manipulative and Physiological Therapeutics:

"The traditional chiropractic vertebral subluxation hypothesis proposes that vertebral misalignment cause illness, disease, or both. This hypothesis remains controversial." His objective was, "To briefly review and update experimental evidence concerning reflex effects of vertebral subluxations, particularly concerning peripheral nervous system responses to vertebral subluxations. Data source: Information was obtained from chiropractic or, scientific peer-reviewed literature concerning human or animal studies of neural responses to vertebral subluxation, vertebral displacement or movement, or both." He concluded, "Animal models suggest that vertebral displacements and putative vertebral subluxations may modulate activity in group I to IV afferent nerves. However, it is not clear whether these afferent nerves are modulated during normal day-to-day activities of living and, if so, what segmental or whole-body reflex effects they may have."

Is it a perfect science? No, but show me a perfect science. There are no facts in science; particularly medical science. New ideas, and practices are being discovered all the time, and old ones are either being determined in still being useful or thrown out because something better is around. You do not have to "believe" in chiropractics; however, if it works than does it really matter what you believe?

I said before that there are bad doctors in every medical profession, and it's shame that chiropractics has had more than it's fair share. However, just like someone's fighting ability, you don't look at the style or system, you look at the man.
 
^ i think the issue is in that in the late 80's and through the 90's, historically the profession that gets dinged the most for malpractice & fraudulent billing has been chiro's.

Such a reputation is hard to combat as most of the health and para-healthcare professionals of the western world are still a part of a changing and maturing evidence based world.

the innate issue that may cause many to concern (which perhaps you may alleviate) is that much of the populace sees an intrinsic conflict of interest regarding regular adjustments (and while this information may be outdated by your terms, most of us out less informed) sees this much as a smog check garage which is owned and operated by the adjacent repair shop.

you are correct, there are quacks and bad doctors and others in every profession. what may also be the issue (which I hope not to entirely hijack this thread) is that chiro's have a habit of expanding their scope of practice into nursing, medicine, physical therapy, OT, RT, LMT, even La.c.'s... from here, it becomes more of a turf war by which becomes an entirely different discussion all together.
 
guynamedtroy

thanks for the responses!

I do not have time to respond at this time as i have to get some sleep as i have to get up early to present a research paper...

I see that some of my fellow board members have picked up the slack though, so that you all for that!

And rest asured, i will be back soon to respond to your comments
 
my main problem with chiropractic adjustments is this:
If an MD wants to prescribe a drug to you to treat a particular ailment, it has to have been rigorously tested and proven effective for the particular ailment before it is approved for use.

Chiropractic adjustments are not held to the same standards.
 
codemonkey76 said:
my main problem with chiropractic adjustments is this:
If an MD wants to prescribe a drug to you to treat a particular ailment, it has to have been rigorously tested and proven effective for the particular ailment before it is approved for use.

Chiropractic adjustments are not held to the same standards.
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Yes, and there are still risks with the medication. Often times unforeseen complications can arise from certain meds (allergies etc.) and I know here in the US, many risks are mentioned on advertisements about certain meds that are worse than what you are taking the medication for.

I'm not against current Western Medical Theory, but I don't think all things need to be cured by meds.
 
guynamedtroy said:
Yes, and there are still risks with the medication. Often times unforeseen complications can arise from certain meds (allergies etc.) and I know here in the US, many risks are mentioned on advertisements about certain meds that are worse than what you are taking the medication for.

I'm not against current Western Medical Theory, but I don't think all things need to be cured by meds.
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I am not of the mind that everything needs to be cured by meds either, that is not the point of the argument, the point is the meds have been rigorously tested.. Do some side effects get downplayed by drug companies, probably. Do some side effects not get dicovered till after they are released to the public?, probably. But the point of the matter is the rigorous testing... And accountability, if something is dangerous it is pulled from the market by the FDA, or relevant authority.
 
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guynamedtroy said:
I'm not against current Western Medical Theory, but I don't think all things need to be cured by meds.
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Western Medicine isn't all about pharmacology. There is surgery, conservative care, therapy, health&wellness, exercise, nutrition, psychology, support groups, etc. for a plethora of ailments and medical diagnoses seen in the world.

I think we went on a tangent when it came to meds vs. "adjustments".
 
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