Islam — Put him... No, not Topuria...

[SuperAlly]

Islam seems to play the "put him this..." in other divisions so he can have his #1 pfp... Yet when Topuria says "Put me against Islam", Islam uses the "small guy" excuse.... Damn, at least JJ was saying Tom was way bigger than him, which is true. Islam prizes himself as pfp #1 but is terrified of elite "small men"... How ironic, pfp is #1 BS.

It's more likely that Islam goes up and agrees to fight Bellal, and gets a friendly win, retiring on top... While JJ actually fights Tom and beats him after a huge fight at 37...

Poatan in case he beat Ankalaev was already hyping up a fight with DDP or Chimaev... He isn't afraid to fight DDP or Khamzat, knowing they are smaller. Meanwhile, the pfp #1 fears smaller fighters while 32 years old... Check this pfp BS, it got Islam wrong there.

English please?

 

[bjjwar]

Also its funny how Islam and his coach expect to immediately fight for the WW belt while they say if Topuria wants the fight he needs to fight a LW top contender first, double standards…

 

[Rapa]

Islam was 4 years old at the time

Ilia was also young and he won fight islam got koed

 

[SuperAlly]

Illia doesn't deserve it at all & it's a dumb matchup in the first place. So sick of these guys jumping around divisions; it's not a super fight unless you have actually accumulated several title defenses and cleared out your division.

Would have much rather had Illia fight Lopez and Evloev at 145 and Islam fight Arman.

100% this.

 

[SuperAlly]

Also its funny how Islam and his coach expect to immediately fight for the WW belt while they say if Topuria wants the fight he needs to fight a LW top contender first, double standards…

It's not funny

It's retarded to pretend Topuria has achieved what Islam has

It's not even close to the same at this point

Go search for some IQ points

 

[188912345]

It's not funny

It's retarded to pretend Topuria has achieved what Islam has

It's not even close to the same at this point

Go search for some IQ points

It's also retarded to pretend that Ilia hasn't also achieved greatness in a spectacular fashion and is totally unworthy of challenging for the LW-title, especially when comparing him with the other contenders at LW.

 

[legedema]

Ilia is avoiding the whole LW division.
he is playing it smart.
he got only one shot and he wants to use it against Islam.
Arman would beat the shit out of Ilia and Ilia knows that

 

[SuperAlly]

It's also retarded to pretend that Ilia hasn't also achieved greatness in a spectacular fashion and is totally unworthy of challenging for the LW-title, especially when comparing him with the other contenders at LW.

Re-read last post and try and understand

 

[RichardHarrow]

It's also retarded to pretend that Ilia hasn't also achieved greatness in a spectacular fashion and is totally unworthy of challenging for the LW-title, especially when comparing him with the other contenders at LW.

How long has he been champ? Are their credible opponents to defend against? Islam has bested Charles, Poirier, Arman pulls out ( which he has defeated before btw) and he beats Moicano. Not a credible opponent but not Islam's fault. He's also pound for pound no 1.

How is that the same as Topuria accomplishments? He has barely worn the strap.

 

[188912345]

Re-read last post and try and understand

That was an exceptionally arrogant reply.

 

[188912345]

How long has he been champ? Are their credible opponents to defend against? Islam has bested Charles, Poirier, Arman pulls out ( which he has defeated before btw) and he beats Moicano. Not a credible opponent but not Islam's fault. He's also pound for pound no 1.

How is that the same as Topuria accomplishments? He has barely worn the strap.

You have to look at who and how he beat to become champ and also realize that he has never lost a fight. That's pretty special.
He is also still young and still improving.

No, there are no other credible opponents except Arman, who is on Dana's naughty list and isn't likely to get the next title fight because of that. Has a loss to Islam (long time ago). Has a loss to Gamrot (close fight).
Less of a finishing threat than Ilia.

Ilia is pound for pound #4 or so, where is Gaethje, Arman or Charles?
Gaethje is 36, 0-2 in title fights, and would be a huge underdog. He doesn't belong anywhere close to the title picture.
Remember, he got outclassed and slept by Holloway last year.

Charles lost to Arman, beat Chandler, previously lost to Islam and has 10 losses.
Also a "former FW", but less successful.
He won and defended the belt, awesome and entertaining title run, but every title fight was essentially a coinflip where he was in big trouble before pulling it off due to recovering off his back and facing strikers who didn't dare follow him down there (Gaethje, Poirier).

Ilia clearly has the highest potential for the greatest legacy out of all challengers.

 

[muaythaibeast]

Illia doesn't deserve it at all & it's a dumb matchup in the first place. So sick of these guys jumping around divisions; it's not a super fight unless you have actually accumulated several title defenses and cleared out your division.

Would have much rather had Illia fight Lopez and Evloev at 145 and Islam fight Arman.

I don't mind Ilia having to get a win at 155 before having a title shot, but if that's the case then Islam doesn't have a case for a shot at JDM without beating a Brady/Shavkat first. If you need wins in the division to justify a title shot, which I'm in favour of, then it has to be the case for everyone.

 

[RichardHarrow]

You have to look at who and how he beat to become champ and also realize that he has never lost a fight. That's pretty special.
He is also still young and still improving.

No, there are no other credible opponents except Arman, who is on Dana's naughty list and isn't likely to get the next title fight because of that. Has a loss to Islam (long time ago). Has a loss to Gamrot (close fight).
Less of a finishing threat than Ilia.

Ilia is pound for pound #4 or so, where is Gaethje, Arman or Charles?
Gaethje is 36, 0-2 in title fights, and would be a huge underdog. He doesn't belong anywhere close to the title picture.
Remember, he got outclassed and slept by Holloway last year.

Charles lost to Arman, beat Chandler, previously lost to Islam and has 10 losses.
Also a "former FW", but less successful.
He won and defended the belt, awesome and entertaining title run, but every title fight was essentially a coinflip where he was in big trouble before pulling it off due to recovering off his back and facing strikers who didn't dare follow him down there (Gaethje, Poirier).

Ilia clearly has the highest potential for the greatest legacy out of all challengers.

He could also be a nobody and then all will point and say it’s just another FW. Sorry but Islam doesn’t need Topuria.

Pantoja is also pound for pound - does that mean Islam should fight him too ?

 

[Ramon Antonio]

He smeshed Volk twice

No he did once. The other time he won a questionable decision.

And even then, Illia did it easier and better.

 

[188912345]

He could also be a nobody and then all will point and say it’s just another FW. Sorry but Islam doesn’t need Topuria.

Pantoja is also pound for pound - does that mean Islam should fight him too ?

This is the level of ridiculousness that's usually only seen from Jones fans supporting him ducking Aspinall.

He could never be a nobody, because nobodies are not 16-0 and don't knock out Volk and Max back to back.

To your second question;No, sir.
Pantoja is a Flyweight. He has not vacated his belt to move up one division and there are several divisions between FLW and LW.

Hope that helps.

 

[RichardHarrow]

This is the level of ridiculousness that's usually only seen from Jones fans supporting him ducking Aspinall.

He could never be a nobody, because nobodies are not 16-0 and don't knock out Volk and Max back to back.

To your second question;No, stupid.
Pantoja is a Flyweight. He has not vacated his belt to move up one division and there are several divisions between FLW and LW.

Hope that helps.

How does this translate to Jon Jones who isn’t active at all ? And you can assert a point without calling names.

Based on your logic everyone who goes 16-0 continues undefeated? He’s undefeated primarily against his FW.

A win against someone who was previously knocked out and then Max who stylistically isn’t much in the grand scheme of things.

 

[188912345]

How does this translate to Jon Jones who isn’t active at all ? And you can assert a point without calling names.

Based on your logic everyone who goes 16-0 continues undefeated? He’s undefeated primarily against his FW.

A win against someone who was previously knocked out and then Max who stylistically isn’t much in the grand scheme of things.

My apologies.

It translates to Jones because he made the argument that Stipe has a great record, but Aspinall could be a nobody if he went on to lose after fighting Jones.
In reality, Aspinall would be Jones biggest test possible at the moment, just as Ilia would be Islams biggest and most compelling challenge.

No, but someone who goes 16-0 and demolished two goats back to back is very deserving of an opportunity to chase greatness and fight for a belt when he moves up.

It's the best win Islam could get at LW.

I think Islam deserves to fight for a WW-belt, but if he stays at LW he just can't dismiss someone with the skills and record of Topuria as just a "FW" because a few haters would hold it against him.

The FW-asterix in an Ilia win is less of an asterix than Islams other potential opponents.

 

[svmr_db]

No he did once. The other time he won a questionable decision.

And even then, Illia did it easier and better.

Islam literally softened Volk up & made him easier to KO for Ilia considering Volk stepped back in the cage less than 4 months after what Islam did to him.

 

[RichardHarrow]

My apologies.

It translates to Jones because he made the argument that Stipe has a great record, but Aspinall could be a nobody if he went on to lose after fighting Jones.
In reality, Aspinall would be Jones biggest test possible at the moment, just as Ilia would be Islams biggest and most compelling challenge.

No, but someone who goes 16-0 and demolished two goats back to back is very deserving of an opportunity to chase greatness and fight for a belt when he moves up.

It's the best win Islam could get at LW.

I think Islam deserves to fight for a WW-belt, but if he stays at LW he just can't dismiss someone with the skills and record of Topuria as just a "FW" because a few haters would hold it against him.

The FW-asterix in an Ilia win is less of an asterix than Islams other potential opponents.

Apology accepted - I’m not disagreeing that a win over Topuria POTENTIALLY supercedes Gaethje. My point is if he loses to Islam then loses to another LW then it doesn’t look like a good win anymore. Hence why he should fight either Olives or Arman.

He needs a tune up fight at LW . Volk and Max just doesn’t justify it. Everyone until this day claim the win over Volk for Islam is just a FW win. I’m sure you can stretch your critical thinking to appreciate it even though you may disagree. No ?

 

[188912345]

Apology accepted - I’m not disagreeing that a win over Topuria POTENTIALLY supercedes Gaethje. My point is if he loses to Islam then loses to another LW then it doesn’t look like a good win anymore. Hence why he should fight either Olives or Arman.

He needs a tune up fight at LW . Volk and Max just doesn’t justify it. Everyone until this day claim the win over Volk for Islam is just a FW win. I’m sure you can stretch your critical thinking to appreciate it even though you may disagree. No ?

I can see the argument, sure.
But I can't take people dismissing his first Volk defense seriously, that was peak Volkanovski who had a full camp.

We will have to agree to disagree on Ilia having to fight a contenders fight, but that's fine. Everyone can't agree about everything, that would make for a boring world.