Islam — Put him... No, not Topuria...

[CJrider]

Classic example of can't please everyone, and why he gives 0 F about opinions like OP's. He's defended 4 times, he's given other champs 2 super fight chances to be a double champ, he's accepted new opponents without hesitation within 24 hours of his fight happening, and now he wants the opportunity to be a double champ or to fight someone on a winning streak at 155.

You can't call a guy asking for Arman or JDM a duck, especially if he says ya I'll fight Ilia can he just actually win at 155 in the UFC once so it's not another freak show joke fight that people will claim is "just beating a 45er".

 

[RichardHarrow]

I can see the argument, sure.
But I can't take people dismissing his first Volk defense seriously, that was peak Volkanovski who had a full camp.

We will have to agree to disagree on Ilia having to fight a contenders fight, but that's fine. Everyone can't agree about everything, that would make for a boring world.

Well you seem level headed enough to appreciate that a win over Tops would be legit and if casuals were that way then I’d be more inclined to agree.

 

[moosaev]

Also its funny how Islam and his coach expect to immediately fight for the WW belt while they say if Topuria wants the fight he needs to fight a LW top contender first, double standards…

How is it a double standard? Islam has 4 title defenses, Ilia has only 1. When ilia defends the FW belt 4x he can demand an immediate title shot. But let’s not pretend Islam and ilia are the same, Islam has accomplished a lot more and is more deserving. Islam is on the cusp of tying the all time UFC win streak record, It’s a joke to even put him and ilia in the same sentence.

 

[JustBleed69]

I don't mind Ilia having to get a win at 155 before having a title shot, but if that's the case then Islam doesn't have a case for a shot at JDM without beating a Brady/Shavkat first. If you need wins in the division to justify a title shot, which I'm in favour of, then it has to be the case for everyone.

I think long standing champions can be owed the luxury of an immediate title shot in the weight class up (as long as it doesn't log jam a division), but I don't like it when guys who have barely any title defenses just jump up.

 

[muaythaibeast]

I think long standing champions can be owed the luxury of an immediate title shot in the weight class up (as long as it doesn't log jam a division), but I don't like it when guys who have barely any title defenses just jump up.

Islam has 4 title defenses, one of which is Volk on a week's notice, and one a guy outside the top 10, vs Ilia who has beat the top 2 guys his division has ever seen in their prime.
Islam is exceptional, but I don't believe 4 defenses and 2 years as champ justifies the long standing tag in the way someone like GSP or Silva did

 

[SuperAlly]

How long has he been champ? Are their credible opponents to defend against? Islam has bested Charles, Poirier, Arman pulls out ( which he has defeated before btw) and he beats Moicano. Not a credible opponent but not Islam's fault. He's also pound for pound no 1.

How is that the same as Topuria accomplishments? He has barely worn the strap.

Easy when people apply a bit of critical thinking and understand nuance eh.

 

[SuperAlly]

Classic example of can't please everyone, and why he gives 0 F about opinions like OP's. He's defended 4 times, he's given other champs 2 super fight chances to be a double champ, he's accepted new opponents without hesitation within 24 hours of his fight happening, and now he wants the opportunity to be a double champ or to fight someone on a winning streak at 155.

You can't call a guy asking for Arman or JDM a duck, especially if he says ya I'll fight Ilia can he just actually win at 155 in the UFC once so it's not another freak show joke fight that people will claim is "just beating a 45er".

Outstanding post using logic and not feels again

 

[SuperAlly]

Islam has 4 title defenses, one of which is Volk on a week's notice, and one a guy outside the top 10, vs Ilia who has beat the top 2 guys his division has ever seen in their prime.
Islam is exceptional, but I don't believe 4 defenses and 2 years as champ justifies the long standing tag in the way someone like GSP or Silva did

Can you not see the retarded contradictions in your post

Laughable shit

 

[Streeter]

I think it is becoming a matter of principle for Islam. Topuria's ego is bigger than himself, is disrespectful towards Islam and Khabib and shouts so much nonsense.

What should Mak and a long retired fighters feelings have to do with this?

Its one of the biggest fights that can be made and only person holding it up it Mak and Khabibs superiority complex and knowing illa is a very dangerous fight. He kod a full camp volk Mak kod an off couch Volk and struggled with him at full camp. Yes MMA math doesn't say everything but it can tell you a fighter is worthy of a fight. Never ind from.a business sense this is #1 fight to make other than JJ/Aspinall and Dricus/Khaz

 

[bjjwar]

How is it a double standard? Islam has 4 title defenses, Ilia has only 1. When ilia defends the FW belt 4x he can demand an immediate title shot. But let’s not pretend Islam and ilia are the same, Islam has accomplished a lot more and is more deserving. Islam is on the cusp of tying the all time UFC win streak record, It’s a joke to even put him and ilia in the same sentence.

Bro 2 of those came vs the same FW that Ilia KO’ed while Islam arguably even lost and a guy on 1 day notice. So he’s in the exact same situation as Ilia. Hell you can even argue Ilia has done more at FW then him at LW since he beat both FW goats back to back while KO’ing them and being undefeated.

 

[bjjwar]

It's not funny

It's retarded to pretend Topuria has achieved what Islam has

It's not even close to the same at this point

Go search for some IQ points

Islam defended his belt 4 times only. 2 times on short notice vs the same FW that Topuria KO’ed which Islam arguably even lost the first fight and last defense vs a bum cominh on 1 day notice. Basically both have 1 title defense. Ilia KO’ed both FW goats back to back. Hell, you can even argue he has done more at FW being undefeated then Islam at LW…

 

[moosaev]

Bro 2 of those came vs the same FW that Ilia KO’ed while Islam arguably even lost and a guy on 1 day notice. So he’s in the exact same situation as Ilia. Hell you can even argue Ilia has done more at FW then him at LW since he beat both FW goats back to back while KO’ing them and being undefeated.

Ilia beat Volk after he came back too soon from getting KO’d by Islam, and he only has ONE title defense!!!! Islam has 4 defenses and 15 fight win streak, ilia is nowhere close to him, fuck outta here lol

 

[Ramon Antonio]

Islam literally softened Volk up & made him easier to KO for Ilia considering Volk stepped back in the cage less than 4 months after what Islam did to him.

And then he became the first man to KO Holloway. He is just that good with the standup. He can KO Islam too.

 

[bjjwar]

Ilia beat Volk after he came back too soon from getting KO’d by Islam, and he only has ONE title defense!!!! Islam has 4 defenses and 15 fight win streak, ilia is nowhere close to him, fuck outta here lol

Again, you’re talking as if Islam has 10 title defenses. Islam beat a random bum on 1 day notice in his last defense, beat the same FW that got KO’ed by Topuria on short notice twice. So basically both have 1 good defense vs a top contender in their division for the belt. Both are in the same situation, so you cant force the champ from the lower division to fight a top contender while you’re asking for an immediate ts on the upper division without doing the same. Its pure hypocrisy…

 

[Luffy]

Classic example of can't please everyone, and why he gives 0 F about opinions like OP's. He's defended 4 times, he's given other champs 2 super fight chances to be a double champ, he's accepted new opponents without hesitation within 24 hours of his fight happening, and now he wants the opportunity to be a double champ or to fight someone on a winning streak at 155.

You can't call a guy asking for Arman or JDM a duck, especially if he says ya I'll fight Ilia can he just actually win at 155 in the UFC once so it's not another freak show joke fight that people will claim is "just beating a 45er".

Nah, he is having the same attitude he criticizes ppl from way higher classes from him don't even have. He was counting the "stop running" for Poatan vs Ankalaev, when Poatan said since the start he wanted to fight Ankalaev but the UFC chose that as the final fight. Islam after defending the belt once vs Volk was already talking about challenging Leon Edwards instead of making another fight in LW. So now Illia is not worth it because he is an up and comer at 155 despite KO'ing Volk and Holloway which no one had done, plus being undefeated, the one opponent and only younger than Islam and who is as good of a wrestler as he is in striking?

But then Islam turns a blind eye to the fact he said he wanted Leon fight after defending the belt once in LW. Khabib spoke literally "Islam is 33 yo already, he needs a fight that is worth his legacy..." ... So legacy can be spoken to Islam who is 33, but when it's JJ who defended his belt 4 times the amount Islam did, became a double champion... But fighting a champion killer like Alex Pereira when BOTH wanted the fight... Was already criticized, when JJ and Alex spoke about a BMF at a open 230 lb weight....

Like I've said, Islam acts in a hypocritical way when he is put in the same situation all while having accomplished wayyy less than JJ did and less than even Pereira did, as Poatan got 2 division belts winning 3 fights in MW before being the first in UFC ti defeat Adesanya... Got the LHW beating Jan Blacowicz and Jiri Prochakza, both who destroyed Reyes, same Reyes who had a close fight vs JJ... Defended the belt 3 times in a year and had a very close loss to Ankalaev while fighting with a broken wrist. Still, didn't avoid anyone, was open to facing DDP and Chimaev in 205, saying it'd be exciting... Never pulled the "DDP and Chimaev are small men" card....

Again, someone needs to check this pfp stuff. Because who gave Islam this? Ofc it's philosophical as both JJ and Poatan would smoke him within one round in an actual fight, but even under a philosophical lens, he is not #1...