Is Tom ducking Jones now?

Why did you type all that in response to my post. The other guy said Ngannou "turned down" $8m-$14m to fight Jones. Jones had never agreed to the fight. So how did Ngannou "turn it down"? Nothing in your reply addresses that even remotely.
There wasn't an offer made. Jon Jones said he was ready to fight whoever in HW, Ngannou was still there when Jon Jones said he was ready.

Now, you might say it took 3 years, but Jon Jones wasn't in HW, so it's not like Ngannou was ever booked to fight someone who was never a heavyweight.
 
There wasn't an offer made. Jon Jones said he was ready to fight whoever in HW, Ngannou was still there when Jon Jones said he was ready.

Now, you might say it took 3 years, but Jon Jones wasn't in HW, so it's not like Ngannou was ever booked to fight someone who was never a heavyweight.

You're not reading what I type. If there was never an offer, Ngannou couldn't have "turned it down" now could he? Which is EXACTLY what I was telling the other poster.
 
JJ wants 6 months, pretty much same time, 1 month later.
So, more than one year. Tom's being consistent with what he said, in response to Jones asking for six months. But that's assuming Jones signs the fight now, and not in a month or two months from now.
 
Because the interim champ want to fight the champ? Wants a shot a gold? Wants to unify?

Damn dude. Change your username already.
Well, he isn't being denied of that. Jon Jones said that he will fight Tom and wants to train for 6 months once the contract is signed. He wasn't offered the fight in the sense his phone rung and it was said "you are fighting Tom in such month, such day, etc. etc", then Jones went and said "no, I won't"... There is no proof he has denied the fact, he actually said he will fight and in 6 months.

Tom acted kinda in that way because he begged for the fight, almost. He knew Jon Jones was going to fight Miocic firstly... They had already a deal made to fight. There is no rule that says the champion must forcefully deny the previous signed deal as soon as the other guy became the interim champion. Now, yes, after the fight, it needs to be against the interim champion, otherwise Jones needs to vacate. Jones had said more than once he'd retire after the Stipe fight but Tom was always provoking, saying "I'm gonna retire Jon Jones without even fighting him"... Like, Tom isn't dumb, he knew JJ had already planned on retiring after fighting Stipe. If he only wanted the belt, why provoke and make slide remarks saying he is the one retiring Jon Jones when he would ultimately get the belt, anyways?

Moreover, Jon Jones clearly said he would rather fight Alex Pereira (likely because he sees Alex as a little easier than Tom and due to $ as well). Jon Jones said he would fight Alex after vacating the belt though, he emphasized he could fight him in LHW. Tom was "happy" that Alex narrowly lost though, saying "now Jones has no reason to fight vs Alex, since if he fights Alex, he won't be fighting for a belt at LHW, so... Jon, there is only us, let's get a date going, big boy!!" ...

Jon Jones set a date and Tom and his father switched saying "nah Tom doesn't need to fight Jon Jones, JJ should vacate, he's just another bum in the shower" ... Well, Jon Jones set the date, but Aspinall did not like it? Then Aspinall should want Jon Jones to retire, like JJ actually said he would after fighting Stipe, as he would get the belt anyways. Or he would be happy with Alex winning so Jon Jones could go down fight Alex and he would get the belt for him.

So it seems Tom isn't really consistent at all... He provokes and instigates things saying it's a joke that JJ would retire — showing he didn't want the belt, he wanted Jon Jones. Was "happy" that Alex lost so Jon Jones' reason to drop down to fight Alex would be weakened, as now, Jon Jones wouldn't be fighting Alex for a belt in LHW (since as Dana was ok with making JJ vs Alex). All pointing to him wanting JJ after all. But now that Jon Jones set a time, Tom is nah, I don't want JJ, I just want the belt... Like, come on... Both are equally annoying in all this situation. Both are in this drama together. Don't pretend Tom is not, he is, maybe even more so, than Jon Jones.
 
You're not reading what I type. If there was never an offer, Ngannou couldn't have "turned it down" now could he? Which is EXACTLY what I was telling the other poster.
So no one avoided no one. Or both avoided it. But the difference is that Jon Jones was never a HW. Once Jon Jones announced he was now a HW, Ngannou left. Ofc, this doesn't mean Ngannou didn't want to fight Jon Jones. Only, that Ngannou wasn't satisfied with the way Dana White was treating the fighters, which is totally right. Both Jon and Francis made their point, they wanted the fight, but they both made a point to push it so the UFC would value fighters better. JJ had said this, saying how what he is earning in his fights is not enough considering he is putting his physical and mental health on the line for years. Ngannou, after he had a rough fight, had his knees hurt and still fought for the title, emphasized how he wanted the UFC to change its policy, so there could be an union of fighters, a coverage of medical expenses and treatments from the UFC and also, allowing them to do other fights that are not only for the UFC.

Ngannou started to push this agenda more so when he had tough battles and realized the physical toll it takes at the expense of earning a shit amount in comparison to the pencil heads... Which Jon Jones had already experienced from fighting almost 28 fights, reportedly occasionally suffering from concussions, that according to him, would sometimes make his brain really fog and forgetful of some things, or that he'd get extreme headaches out of nowhere all while having that mental fog. It's not about anyone turning down the other because they "were in for a lost battle", it was both realizing the toughness of competing in such a high level thus realizing that a fight of that standard should compensate both of them... It is way more so a situation about both demanding for fair prices as Dana and Hunter and the Brass or wtv shit weren't the ones competing in the octagon and risking losing more years of their brain all while profiting way less than those fat nerds who aren't losing their physical healthy...

I mean, that is really, really easy to understand, right? Or is the text too long for you to piece the words together? Maybe it is, I think writing much is kinda a waste when ppl nowadays get lost when the posts get past 4 lines. Maybe get off social media a little and exercise your brain more, because... Otherwise you will be stuck in a parroted and narrow view.
 
So, more than one year. Tom's being consistent with what he said, in response to Jones asking for six months. But that's assuming Jones signs the fight now, and not in a month or two months from now.
Oh yeah, 1 month later. Huge difference... So if JJ said 5 months it would be ok? Why not say "5 months limit for me" then?
 
Oh yeah, 1 month later. Huge difference... So if JJ said 5 months it would be ok? Why not say "5 months limit for me" then?

It's not happening man let it go. Jon does not want to fight Aspinall. He's scared of getting KTFO so he'll only fight seniors (Stipe) or fighters who he can easily take down (Gane, Pereira).

Jon never wanted the smoke with Francis and Aspinall. Stop be delusional
 
Tom said after Blaydes that waiting a year would be worth for if it meant fighting JJ... A year from that statement would be August.

JJ wants 6 months, pretty much same time, 1 month later. But Tom and his dad are now saying "JJ is not special, it doesn't have to be him, I don't want to wait, I don't want to fight him in 6 months" ...

Well, so Tom is ducking? Lol. If he doesn't agree to 6 months, he'd be ducking. There is not a written rule on when, after the last fight (November), JJ should fight again, like, it must be less than 10 months (which would be 6 months from now), is there?

They might be worried JJ may take a pill or a drink that might make him sharper physically due to it helping with training longer periods of time with more effective results, perhaps... Well, if that's the case, make sure he is tested? Make sure of he has some medicine in his system aiding him to train and perform better? If he won't be tested, I think it's more than likely they'll give JJ the 6 months (which could be justified EVEN IF the intention is not to take some chemicals at all...) then it'd be up to Aspinall to take the fight. Btw, wasn't it said that no version of JJ could beat Tom? If that's it, then why just give up on even fighting Jon if he could beat the best performance young JJ, like the one vs DC 2 when he actually had substances?
If Jones signed the fight tomorrow for November I'm sure they'd be ok with that because it would be set. What they don't want to do is kick it down the road indefinitely. There has to be a point when UFC says we're tired of waiting, Jon is stripped and Tom's next fight will be for the undisputed. I believe Dana implied this would happen "by summer", beginning, middle, or end, no one knows but I believe if he hasn't signed the fight by August, they will move on.
 


A HW "champ" who would rather fight a LHW than the interim champ of his same division lol
 
So no one avoided no one. Or both avoided it. But the difference is that Jon Jones was never a HW. Once Jon Jones announced he was now a HW, Ngannou left. Ofc, this doesn't mean Ngannou didn't want to fight Jon Jones. Only, that Ngannou wasn't satisfied with the way Dana White was treating the fighters, which is totally right. Both Jon and Francis made their point, they wanted the fight, but they both made a point to push it so the UFC would value fighters better. JJ had said this, saying how what he is earning in his fights is not enough considering he is putting his physical and mental health on the line for years. Ngannou, after he had a rough fight, had his knees hurt and still fought for the title, emphasized how he wanted the UFC to change its policy, so there could be an union of fighters, a coverage of medical expenses and treatments from the UFC and also, allowing them to do other fights that are not only for the UFC.

Ngannou started to push this agenda more so when he had tough battles and realized the physical toll it takes at the expense of earning a shit amount in comparison to the pencil heads... Which Jon Jones had already experienced from fighting almost 28 fights, reportedly occasionally suffering from concussions, that according to him, would sometimes make his brain really fog and forgetful of some things, or that he'd get extreme headaches out of nowhere all while having that mental fog. It's not about anyone turning down the other because they "were in for a lost battle", it was both realizing the toughness of competing in such a high level thus realizing that a fight of that standard should compensate both of them... It is way more so a situation about both demanding for fair prices as Dana and Hunter and the Brass or wtv shit weren't the ones competing in the octagon and risking losing more years of their brain all while profiting way less than those fat nerds who aren't losing their physical healthy...

I mean, that is really, really easy to understand, right? Or is the text too long for you to piece the words together? Maybe it is, I think writing much is kinda a waste when ppl nowadays get lost when the posts get past 4 lines. Maybe get off social media a little and exercise your brain more, because... Otherwise you will be stuck in a parroted and narrow view.

Stop. Take a breath. And READ.

I never claimed Jones ducked Ngannou. Do you need me to type it again or will it be another wall of text that ignores what I said? I. Didn't. Make. The. Claim. Has it sunk in?

I responded to ANOTHER POSTER who claimed Ngannou turned down an offer. YOU jumped in and replied to me but didn't actually understand what the previous posts said evidently. Do you now???

Outside Sherdog, I'm not on social media, sport. And your super long posts would be fine if they were actually relevant to what you reply to.

Is there anything fucking else I can help you to understand?
 
Totally. I hate actually seeing good fights. I want all these guys to just troll each other. Until the business and sport ceases to exist.
I would suggest watching boxing. But as of late the cards have turned... we are getting to see all the heavyweight boxing matches we wanted to see and none of the heavyweight MMA fights!
 
No need to type up long paragraphs of excuse or reasoning.

Jon did duck Ngannou and now he's ducking Tom too.

Nothing else needs to be said about that, it's a fact.
 
So the Jones simps are in the "Reverse Victim & Offender" stage of DARVO now, nice. Aspinall won the interim title, Jones has the primary title, primary title holder fights the interim champ next regardless of how they feel about it. Everything else is just bullshit. Jones doesn't want to fight Aspinall for whatever reason, it doesn't matter what that reason is. The entire UFC Heavyweight division is in the shape it's in because UFC keeps trying to force "superfights" and does not give one single fuck about growing the rest of the actual division 🤷🏻‍♂️ They've been that way since they added weight classes.
 
It's not happening man let it go. Jon does not want to fight Aspinall. He's scared of getting KTFO so he'll only fight seniors (Stipe) or fighters who he can easily take down (Gane, Pereira).

Jon never wanted the smoke with Francis and Aspinall. Stop be delusional
Well, Jon Jones said he wants in 6 months. Seems you are scared Jon Jones actually accepts the fight and wants to believe at all costs he does not. Let's see.

If Jones signed the fight tomorrow for November I'm sure they'd be ok with that because it would be set. What they don't want to do is kick it down the road indefinitely. There has to be a point when UFC says we're tired of waiting, Jon is stripped and Tom's next fight will be for the undisputed. I believe Dana implied this would happen "by summer", beginning, middle, or end, no one knows but I believe if he hasn't signed the fight by August, they will move on.
August will likely be Ankalaev vs Poatan 2.

Jones said he would vacate if they didn't agree with the date. You act like Jon Jones is threatening to kill them all if they take the belt from him. It's what Jones thinks he needs to put in the performance for him to win, but like he had said in the press, he is fine vacating it too, either way.
Stop. Take a breath. And READ.

I never claimed Jones ducked Ngannou. Do you need me to type it again or will it be another wall of text that ignores what I said? I. Didn't. Make. The. Claim. Has it sunk in?

I responded to ANOTHER POSTER who claimed Ngannou turned down an offer. YOU jumped in and replied to me but didn't actually understand what the previous posts said evidently. Do you now???

Outside Sherdog, I'm not on social media, sport. And your super long posts would be fine if they were actually relevant to what you reply to.

Is there anything fucking else I can help you to understand?
Well, Ngannou actually rejected the offer. According to Ngannou, the offer was restrictive in the sense that Ngannou would need to fight Jon and take a certain # of other fights, which he said he didn't want to, as he was not interested in the contract he seemed as restrictive to what he could actually earn $. To be valued in a way he could feel more secure and free financially (at least that is what I think, I don't know how he is financially, now... I don't understand the conditions he is in now with the PFL and potential boxing matches)...

I didn't mean he turned down the fight, I meant he turned down the new contract, which had a fight against Jon Jones, but Ngannou was clear — and rightfully so — he doesn't fear fighting Jon Jones, he feared being trapped into a contract in which he wouldn't have a saying on how to terminate it, or in important things, like (as can be seen in the last contract he signed) the organization covering the physical expenses of the athletes, with the UFC making it clear that is up to the fighter. If it's a fighter who doesn't make much $ in spite of being in very dangerous match ups, like Ngannou and Jon Jones (both the best, but sadly earned less than up comers like Topuria or Sean O'Maley...) .... He turned down the contract which had a fight assured vs Jon Jones, but again, that is not ducking or anything, that is a fighter recognizing that a fight that is one of the biggest ever, not having the respected financial return to the fighters, as well as other important healthy related aspects, is not worth over fighting Jon Jones, even if it is, as Francis recognizes, the biggest match he would have in MMA.

It's a little the same with Jon Jones. He has fought 28x in his career, over 90% in the UFC with heavy competition, has had devastating matches like vs Gustafsson 1, in which Dana himself said he saw that Jon Jones' corner wanted to stop the fight before the 5th round because the cut in Jones' eyes was getting seriously ugly, but JJ begged them not to stop the fight, saying it doesn't matter what happens to his eyes, he wanted to win the fight above all... Dana said "that meant a lot, that is the heart of a fighter". Yeah, the heart of a fighter who has been fighting exhausting, tough match ups, while dealing himself with the medical expenses, concussions happening more often in his 30s...

Im not saying Ngannou avoided JJ, he just turned down the new contract which involved fighting Jon Jones... The same way Jon Jones has all the right to turn down the new contract if he doesn't seem favourable to where he is now in his career, to how long he has fought... I just wish fans would have a bigger critical analysis rather than putting feeling forefront and putting it on the fighters. No one knows what is it to be an octagon fighter competing at that level. This "UFC puts the fights the fans want" needs to be seen critically too... You are eating popcorn watching and all, it's entertainment, but you don't know what it is to be a fighter (not you specifically, but ppl who criticize in shallow ways). I think it should be looked upon a more human lens rather than purporting the "fights the fans want but we are all just getting excited seeing them hurt each other". Ofc, it's a fist fight... But every fighter will have a limit to the point on how far they went and, again, to the point they can say "those are the terms. If you don't agree, for me it's not worth it".
 
No need to type up long paragraphs of excuse or reasoning.

Jon did duck Ngannou and now he's ducking Tom too.

Nothing else needs to be said about that, it's a fact.
Nice well thought out analysis! Wow, impressive. Yeah, I will stop posting these threads, I just see that it's meaningless. That's not an exchange of PoVs, it's just a poor one liners with the same thing.
 
All Jon Jones nuthuggers are irredeemable
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