Is Tom ducking Jones now?

[mkess101]

Jon making Fathead Tom sit out is the funniest thing, I hope it never ends

Totally. I hate actually seeing good fights. I want all these guys to just troll each other. Until the business and sport ceases to exist.

 

[JKS]

Then why the fuck dont he just say that?

I am just speculating. I am guessing he hasn't said it cause it's all not finalized yet. And generally they don't announce fights this far in advance. Perhaps if and when it is done, then Jon can elaborate on that. I think this will go on for another few months till summer if it is MSG.

I see two scenarios here. September in the Sphere in Vegas which will get an earlier announcement or MSG in November which will get announced early summer.

 

[JKS]

tom reminds me of toddler that isnt getting his way

Well no, this is just childish thinking on your part.

What he reminds us of is a annoyed professional athlete that is ready to fight and move forward and there is a hold up with negotiations. Tom wants to fight and the promotion wants to get this done. Jon is holding things up. Tom has already made it clear, either fight or give up the belt and he'll fight someone else. There is no his way here, there is just the way it should be.

 

[skylolow]

Tom is going to wait for Jon Jones until the UFC strip Jones and he retires, then he'll fight someone else. Until then it is all in on the Jones fight.

 

[Luffy]

The guy who won the interim title in November 2023 wants to unify as soon as possible. He doesn't want to potentially wait until November 2025, or even early 2026 if the negotiations continue to drag out, pretty reasonable.

There should be pressure on Jones to agree to the fight in a timely fashion, or vacate.
Usually 2-3 months is enough for a camp.

Also, in my humble opinion, every thought in your head doesn't warrant its own thread.

Oh ok, as if my threads are worse than most threads here... Nah

 

[orca]

Yeah both Francis and Tom ducked Jon.

Maybe Alex threw the fight against Ank too to duck Jon.

francis shouldnt have left but instead knock jones head if he was confident
declined the 8-14 million dollar offer to fight jones
i mean you have to be an idiot if you believe in fighters pay ufc africa and fighters benefits

Not even Jon Jones UFC superfights match Francis Ngannou’s current pay

Sorry, Dana! The UFC’s offer to Ngannou only comes close to touching his boxing and PFL pay with the help of two hypothetical bouts against Jon Jones.

www.mmamania.com

 

[mkess101]

francis shouldnt have left but instead knock jones head if he was confident
declined the 8-14 million dollar offer to fight jones
i mean you have to be an idiot if you believe in fighters pay ufc africa and fighters benefits

Not even Jon Jones UFC superfights match Francis Ngannou’s current pay

Sorry, Dana! The UFC’s offer to Ngannou only comes close to touching his boxing and PFL pay with the help of two hypothetical bouts against Jon Jones.

www.mmamania.com

Can you post a copy of the signed bout agreement where Jones agreed to fght Ngannou? Or even post a direct quote from Jones saying he would accept the fight? If not, how did Ngannou "decline" an offer?

 

[Substance Abuse]

What the fuck? Lol

 

[MrShady]

tom reminds me of toddler that isnt getting his way

You should be ashamed of yourself for this post. Unless you're a troll and even then, do better bud.

If we are talking about toddlers, Jon Jones is the poster boy.

Even my casual buddies are starting to realize Jon Jones is a whiny bitch and clearly ducking the INTERIM CHAMP.

"I don't want to fight him because he's a dick. He's so mean and rude and disrespectful. Waah" - A cagefighter

Lmao

 

[MrShady]

Can you post a copy of the signed bout agreement where Jones agreed to fght Ngannou? Or even post a direct quote from Jones saying he would accept the fight? If not, how did Ngannou "decline" an offer?

Jon Jones
- Demands FU money against Francis and Aspinall
- Oh yeah I'll fight Gane, Stipe, Pereira no problem UFC brass.

LOL

 

[Luffy]

Yeah he should do a Chandler and get played instead.

Why would he be a Chandler? When has Jon Jones signed a contract a pulled from a fight due to a discolored pinky toe? Last I heard, serious shoulder injury during training that tore his pectoral and needed surgery, taking him at least 6 months from training for Miocic (which he even got fatter than DC in the meantime) isn't pulling out, unless he was scared of Stipe to the point he purposely injured himself in a serious way so he could lost several months from the training he was in and, as per Gordon Ryan himself, it took away a lot of the upper body strength Jones had with his camp for Stipe starting in August, as not only he needed to go way slower in the initial weeks on camp, but also, Jones hadn't the time needed to get the ideal body structure they found at for Jones during JJ vs Gane...

As in, it was in the process, but they hadn't enough time to do a proper diet with training so his body could return to the ideal ~246 lbs they found to be best for Jones.

In fact, his team recognized that the discontinuation of the consistent training made Jon Jones considerably slower than he was previous to the injury, even though he was heavier at that time... Since without the proper upper body strength and conditioning, Jones was more insecure on throwing hands and getting into more direct, heated exchanges vs Miocic. And like, it didn't even need to be stated by them, just looking at Jon Jones vs Cyril even before the fight went to the ground, it was visible that Jon Jones was way more fearless in getting into Cyril Gane's range, using upper body movement to avoid the few strike attempts from Cyril... And actually, being the one to have landed one jabe and a straight right to Cyril all while not being punched back even once. That comes when the fighter feels his body is in an ideal condition to absorb the attacks better as well as to inflict more damage in the process. That makes him faster because being heavier isn't being fatter only, but having the proper upper body strength to have confidence in potential power exchanges.

 

[Simple Southerner]

 

[Luffy]

It's kinda obvious btw that Jon Jones didn't really mean this "a guy who is way younger and bigger than me..." ... Since Gane was also 3 or 4 years younger and naturally bigger than Jon Jones. Jones said the plan was to get buff enough to a point it wouldn't affect his speed much and would give him considerable more striking power, getting used a lot to a bigger frame (hence the years off) and training consistently to get used to a somewhat bigger frame than naturally and use it with improved boxing techniches and specific kicks to generate damaging power. He had said to DC that having a slimmer frame was better as he could use his kicks more freely, but that wasn't what he wanted. He had said he intended to grow in size even a little bit more than vs Cyril for Stipe and to get used to that further small size gain so his wrestling would be flawless... And even when weighing considerably less than what he hoped had the injured not happened, he took Stipe down in the first round in a way that Stipe was even lifted from the ground before falling... And despite holding Stipe, who was like, 10 pounds heavier than Jones, for the entire round on the floor with a far from ideal camping coming off an injury, he wasn't that much tired in the third round still, managing to keep it on the feet and land almost 80% of the strikes he threw....

Now, as Aspinall is more dangerous than Stipe since he is younger and faster, it makes sense for Jones to want to get "those months in off" back so his body can be in the proper condition. I think that precisely because when older, he can't train for as long per day as before, a more extended camp allows to not overtrain daily and get the desired results... I mean lol he fought in November after being more than 6 months off recovering from surgery, took some solid punches to the face from a Miocic who was in a really solid shape (looked big and lean, no fat), but 6 months means "nah, I don't want to fight JJ anymore..." when Tom himself said after he defeated Blaydes that if I meant fighting Jones, waiting a year would be worth of? A year from then would be basically those 6 months lol

 

[Luffy]

Toms ready jons not.. Jon got his 30 mil now is asking for 6 months they should just agree to 6 months to see if Jon demands something else cause they may need to strip him 6 months is nothing but an injury waiting to happen anyhow..

Where was it said he got his 30M ?

 

[Luffy]

Well no, this is just childish thinking on your part.

What he reminds us of is a annoyed professional athlete that is ready to fight and move forward and there is a hold up with negotiations. Tom wants to fight and the promotion wants to get this done. Jon is holding things up. Tom has already made it clear, either fight or give up the belt and he'll fight someone else. There is no his way here, there is just the way it should be.

Well, I mean, Jon Jones said he would give the belt away if the UFC didn't agree and asked him that. He literally said in the interview "well, it's their choice, I'm gonna need this to fight. But if they don't agree, Tom can have the belt. It's up to the UFC" ... That is, he has his own needs. He got injured which caused the first delay... They didn't strip him, which they totally could do and would do if they think it's the best. Do you think the Brass would be "hmm I'm fear JJ saying he doesn't want to get stripped, so I'm scared to take his belt...." Come on lol. You guys act like if JJ were one of the owners of the UFC. It's up the the organization whether a fighter will be stripped or not. Yeah, other fighters like Jiri were, but that's due to the UFC. A fighter has no saying in that, it's funny people talk about "be like Jiri and vacate the belt" when Jiri initially didn't want to but was told that he needed to vacate so he had no choice... If they didn't strip JJ, it's not because "JJ is selfish..." ... It's because they want him to keep the belt. It's not his fault, not that we can know of. He was never demanded to vacate the belt, despite he himself saying he would give it to Tom if the UFC told him, rather, he even asked the UFC to strip him at one point so Tom could go on and defend it... I mean, read the situation accurately at least...

 

[Luffy]

Can you post a copy of the signed bout agreement where Jones agreed to fght Ngannou? Or even post a direct quote from Jones saying he would accept the fight? If not, how did Ngannou "decline" an offer?

Jon Jones wasn't in heavyweight at thay point... He belonged to no division. One thing JJ said tho is that he was (and rightfully so) not willing to keep fighting when the money he was getting in LHW was pitiful for the most dominant reigning champion. He said he would fight Ngannou but wanted more money. Jon Jones had already fought 28x MMA fights and injured himself way more than Ngannou. When Ngannou fought Gane, he also started to feel the effort and risk them athletes were going through there were being severely downplayed by how much he was receiving. When Ngannou was still there, Jon Jones announced he was going to HW (Ngannou hadn't left yet). He said he'd fight Ngannou or whoever. But he didn't push back for Ngannou to agree to the deal since, well, I think both JJ and Ngannou thought that if they both pressed, they would get paid more for the fight.

In fact, Ngannou doesn't ever call Jon Jones a duck... He said he may have felt that way initially, but that he understood the business and the toll in the healthiness each right and training would entail, so he said that no one ducked no one, that Dana just did not treat athletes who were there getting punched and bleeding as humans, while Dana and the other owners would get themselves most of the $$ ... I mean, this isn't a coliseum, they aren't gladiators. They are humans... Only the fact that Topuria already made more $ than JJ in JJ's whole career as reported by sports news should make one think how frustrated JJ must feel with certain things. Heck, Dana when referring to Ngannou once even said "actually, Ngannou owe me money — and the rest of you all who bought tickets to the fight — for that pitiful right vs Lewis in which both fighters barely threw hands — ... "

Idk how a statement like that isn't heavily criticized and trashed completely... It's just so disgusting, it is sickening even.....

 

[mkess101]

Jon Jones wasn't in heavyweight at thay point... He belonged to no division. One thing JJ said tho is that he was (and rightfully so) not willing to keep fighting when the money he was getting in LHW was pitiful for the most dominant reigning champion. He said he would fight Ngannou but wanted more money. Jon Jones had already fought 28x MMA fights and injured himself way more than Ngannou. When Ngannou fought Gane, he also started to feel the effort and risk them athletes were going through there were being severely downplayed by how much he was receiving. When Ngannou was still there, Jon Jones announced he was going to HW (Ngannou hadn't left yet). He said he'd fight Ngannou or whoever. But he didn't push back for Ngannou to agree to the deal since, well, I think both JJ and Ngannou thought that if they both pressed, they would get paid more for the fight.

In fact, Ngannou doesn't ever call Jon Jones a duck... He said he may have felt that way initially, but that he understood the business and the toll in the healthiness each right and training would entail, so he said that no one ducked no one, that Dana just did not treat athletes who were there getting punched and bleeding as humans, while Dana and the other owners would get themselves most of the $$ ... I mean, this isn't a coliseum, they aren't gladiators. They are humans... Only the fact that Topuria already made more $ than JJ in JJ's whole career as reported by sports news should make one think how frustrated JJ must feel with certain things. Heck, Dana when referring to Ngannou once even said "actually, Ngannou owe me money — and the rest of you all who bought tickets to the fight — for that pitiful right vs Lewis in which both fighters barely threw hands — ... "

Idk how a statement like that isn't heavily criticized and trashed completely... It's just so disgusting, it is sickening even.....

Why did you type all that in response to my post. The other guy said Ngannou "turned down" $8m-$14m to fight Jones. Jones had never agreed to the fight. So how did Ngannou "turn it down"? Nothing in your reply addresses that even remotely.

 

[jsbx45]

tom reminds me of toddler that isnt getting his way

Because the interim champ want to fight the champ? Wants a shot a gold? Wants to unify?

Damn dude. Change your username already.

 

[tritestill]

I was once told to never be surprised by how stupid some people are.

 

[burningspear]

goof needs to keep up the pretense, its broadcast rights time