Khabib is full of sh*t and he knows it — Jon Jones is not past his prime

[TheMMAnalyst]

Yet he beat Gane and Miocic easily. Gane is quicker than him. Miocic was analysed by Tom as better than in his last 3 fights in the fighting lab channel Tom has — which Miocic agreed. What's your explanation for that then??

Gane fought like an idiot and showed he wasn’t prepared as a grappler. Jones looked kind of bad standing but exposed big holes in Gane with some elite grappling skills.

I don’t care if Miocic got a handy from Tom and is delusional enough to believe the hype. He looked terrible against Jones, his prime was also a decade ago around the time he won the title obviously. Jones is a better athlete and more skilled, plus being younger and less degraded.

Don’t just look at fight results - again, use your eyes to watch Jones move and use your brain to compare him between Stipe 2 and DC 1 or 2.

There’s a big difference that is unmistakable unless you’re obtuse.

 

[Luffy]

Gane fought like an idiot and showed he wasn’t prepared as a grappler. Jones looked kind of bad standing but exposed big holes in Gane with some elite grappling skills.

I don’t care if Miocic got a handy from Tom and is delusional enough to believe the hype. He looked terrible against Jones, his prime was also a decade ago around the time he won the title obviously. Jones is a better athlete and more skilled, plus being younger and less degraded.

Don’t just look at fight results - again, use your eyes to watch Jones move and use your brain to compare him between Stipe 2 and DC 1 or 2.

There’s a big difference that is unmistakable unless you’re obtuse.

1 - excuses. JJ beat him. Deal with that.
2- excuses. Fighters said he was better than in the past. Facts > what you think
3 - I did use my eyes and I repeat, Stipe was better. Only the fact he could still have that pace even if slow after taking 30 elbows in round 1 shows how good he was. You know how guys in the past were after way less of g&p?? Yeah they were way worse than Miocic. And Miocic took 30 elbows including 12-6 elbows

You're obtuse. You are ignoring facts. I'm sticking to them. Fighters except Khabib say otherwise. JJ would beat Tom too. I bet in a UD. This RDR vs Whittaker fight is a good blueprint for the JJ vs Tom fight

 

[ricc505]

Khabib said that... But Topuria said Jon Jones should be the #1 pound for pound based solely off the performance he saw from JJ and Stipe. He said "after watching JJ vs Gane and specially Stipe, I don't know how he's not the #1 pound for pound... He's better now than he was"

Dricus, after the Stipe fight, said he wouldn't like to see a fight between Jon Jones and Tom because he said he likes both, but said "I can't never bet against Jon Jones, he is not just the GOAT but I believe he's the best still right now"

DDP told in an interview with a French journalist though that "I am conflicted as to who's better right now, Jon Jones or Pereira. I've said both are the best and I think they should fight as in my view they are the current #1 and #2 fighters of all time right now"

Jiri said Tom wouldn't stand a chance vs Jon Jones, but he said he'd been interested in seeing how Alex would do vs Jones (podcast in April)

So Khabib is full of shit. I don't think any of you can name the gym Jon Jones trains in right now. No matter what you do, I challenge you to tell the gym he trains in and his head coach. You won't be able to do that because we don't know ... He doesn't train in the Jackson's gym ever since he left the LHW division.

I also get that 3 years off would be a long time that should make a fighter worse. But Jon Jones took on a younger and natural Gane in 2 minutes without even getting punched back. Then Jon Jones torn his shoulder, had to stay a year with no training... While Miocic said he has been training the whole time (not for nothing he was always fit and lean and saying he felt better than in his last 3 fights because he put in an effort to get in shape he could not before)... Jon Jones started training in September for their fight in November, while before he was recovering, that was his second fight in HW after a 3 years lay off and training less than Miocic (he trained 2 months in a 2 months camp)... And Miocic didn't win a single round and was TKO'd with a spinning heel kick to which Jon Jones accuracy was such that he targeted the space his feet could pass...

Tom after the fight on the TNT lab channel said "Miocic was way better than I thought. He didn't look old. After that first round, I don't know how he still had the conditioning to push the way he did... He got hit with 30 elbows from a vertical position. His condition was surprisingly good for him to be fighting the way he did after that round"...

So logic wise, Jon Jones should be out in his prime. But we have no evidence of that except the opposite, as JJ folded 2 opponents in a dominant way he hadn't displayed in some time. Gordon Ryan said JJ trains obsessively in a time off and studies fights in a crazy way... To the point he said JJ knew every move certain fighters who are unknown from other organizations used... And that JJ before the Miocic fight was instead of warming up, rehashing the Trump dance for 10 minutes in the lock up while saying how he'd beat Stipe.

I mean, we have Alex Pereira who is wrestling wrestlers who weigh 250 lbs and holding his own impressively in huge work outs right now while keeping a pace that is unusual for someone who's 38 yo. Alex said he would fight every month if the UFC let him. Jon Jones recently said "whether my opponent is Tom Aspinall or who know maybe Alex Pereira , I am going to fight in the White House"...

Point is, logic can't be applied to fighters that are not normal... Jon Jones isn't normal. There's no logical way to explain how according to Topuria and DDP, JJ and Alex are the best right now, though they lean Jon Jones slightly, with an age like that. But there are guys who defy logic... Whether we want to accept it or not. I don't know how, but I think Jon Jones right now is better than he was at 30 years old. Is it weird? Yes... But he is not normal.

This essay and a tooth might get you a quarter under your pillow. But only if you are a good boy and you believe.

 

[Luffy]

This essay and a tooth might get you a quarter under your pillow. But only if you are a good boy and you believe.

Yes, and you will believe too and later be "ohh Luffy wasn't crazy... He is a fucking boss for nailing it"

 

[Rdude92]

Khabib is obsessed with the idea of a prime.

“Nobody have two prime”.

“Jon Jone past prime”.

This dovetails nicely with his early exit. Dude was terrified of competing at an age disadvantage.

Well he is not wrong.

It shows we are only human and each of us has an optimum value at a specific period of our lives. And that value is limited by a set number of age.

For fighters its usually around 35 , quite old if compared to the Olympics , but similar. Phelps retired at 31. Usain bolt at 30.

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

1 - excuses. JJ beat him. Deal with that.
2- excuses. Fighters said he was better than in the past. Facts > what you think
3 - I did use my eyes and I repeat, Stipe was better. Only the fact he could still have that pace even if slow after taking 30 elbows in round 1 shows how good he was. You know how guys in the past were after way less of g&p?? Yeah they were way worse than Miocic. And Miocic took 30 elbows including 12-6 elbows

You're obtuse. You are ignoring facts. I'm sticking to them. Fighters except Khabib say otherwise. JJ would beat Tom too. I bet in a UD. This RDR vs Whittaker fight is a good blueprint for the JJ vs Tom fight

I know I’m talking to a brick wall here but I’ll make my exiting points for anyone else who cares.

1 - If you can’t see past the results you don’t have a clue what you are watching.

2 - The opinion of a few fighters isn’t inherently worth any more than your opinion or mine. It’s about who can provide good points, relevant examples, and make coherent arguments that hold up to logic and reason.

3 - If you think Stipe was better against Jones then he was against JDS in the rematch or Ngannou the first time you truly are delusional. Just because Miocic survived a terrible first round doesn’t mean he wasn’t washed. I bet on Jones by first round finish by the way, so I expected a wipe out by Jones at this stage of their career.

Making statements like “you are obtuse” or “you are ignoring facts” without explaining the why or where is meaningless. As I said before, Jones could still beat Tom. I’m just confident if he could go back a decade and move up in weight he’d have a far better chance of doing so.

That’s all prime means is “at your best” - it doesn’t mean you aren’t still really really good and can beat all opponents in theory. These ideas aren’t binary, but you seem obtuse to that concept so I’ll leave it at that.

 

[CutStryker]

It also depends on how much wear n tear the fighter has. This is why someone like DC did well while older.

Jones is older and has 30 fights. My lying eyes saw him look slow vs an even older slower more shopworn Stipe, after all.

Very low percentage of fighters excel past 35 for example. Couture, DC, Stipe that I can think of off the top of my head

 

[BowserJr]

Very low percentage of fighters excel past 35 for example. Couture, DC, Stipe that I can think of off the top of my head

Yes.

Couture, started mma at 34
DC at 30
Yoel(another) at 32
Stipe at 28 (youngest of these for, 2 yrs shy of 30)

From what I've seen it looks like doing well as an older fighter ties directly to having few mma fights compared to others of the same age. In other words wear and tear from mma is just as important if not more important than actual age.

Once over 40 there seems to be a sharp decline regardless

 

[Luffy]

I know I’m talking to a brick wall here but I’ll make my exiting points for anyone else who cares.

1 - If you can’t see past the results you don’t have a clue what you are watching.

2 - The opinion of a few fighters isn’t inherently worth any more than your opinion or mine. It’s about who can provide good points, relevant examples, and make coherent arguments that hold up to logic and reason.

3 - If you think Stipe was better against Jones then he was against JDS in the rematch or Ngannou the first time you truly are delusional. Just because Miocic survived a terrible first round doesn’t mean he wasn’t washed. I bet on Jones by first round finish by the way, so I expected a wipe out by Jones at this stage of their career.

Making statements like “you are obtuse” or “you are ignoring facts” without explaining the why or where is meaningless. As I said before, Jones could still beat Tom. I’m just confident if he could go back a decade and move up in weight he’d have a far better chance of doing so.

That’s all prime means is “at your best” - it doesn’t mean you aren’t still really really good and can beat all opponents in theory. These ideas aren’t binary, but you seem obtuse to that concept so I’ll leave it at that.

JJ is likely to beat Tom, it gets more clear. He will fight Tom. Imagine besting Gane, Miocic and Tom and being out of his prime? Well ok but then either Gane and Tom aren't that good or... JJ got better. Funnily enough RDR was also a +130 underdog like JJ. I've said that JJ isn't human and can and imo will beat Tom in a very tough fight and what else will you say? He's the best now he's been. He isn't as fast but he's more technical, more precise strikes, better cage positioning, more precise jabs, better and more devastating kicks and improved takedown entries. He lost timing and that bouncing but he got better by bringing his skills level to the point he's the best fighter right now...