International Is the US part of the axis of evil now?

The whole good guy act has always been a sham. You can argue abolishing slavery was a moral good but they did it for multiple reasons and enforced it on a bunch of cultures that got their economies destroyed because of it. Besides that America is happy to brutally crush their enemies regardless of morality just like anyone else is.
Eh .

America was late to the whole abolishment of slavery movement. England had been trying to enforce abolishment on the world for quite some time before america even got round to it.
 
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Yeah, because we were such great guys with the invasions of Vietnam, Iraq, and the illegal war against Libya.

Everyone is bad on the geopolitical scale. The only victims are the people of all the countries, who are basically at the mercy of these psychos.
'What about Vietnam/Iraq/Libya'!

Look! Look over here at this! No! Not over there! Look over here!

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'What about Vietnam/Iraq/Libya'!

Look! Look over here at this! No! Not over there! Look over here!

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You liberals are so incredibly stupid and easy to manipulate. We weren't good guys then. Nothing has changed. Lmao at us suddenly turning into villains because the dictator our elites like isn't getting funding anymore. It's all the same shit, and always has been
 
You liberals are so incredibly stupid and easy to manipulate. We weren't good guys then. Nothing has changed. Lmao at us suddenly turning into villains because the dictator our elites like isn't getting funding anymore. It's all the same shit, and always has been
Do you use mouthwash after sucking Trump's cock or does he make you live with the residue? Blow me.
 
damn bro hates documented history.
Oh yeah, you do have that intimidating education system and nuanced understanding that I lack American edge lord. Must've spent so much time outside your bubble.
 
Oh yeah, you do have that intimidating education system and nuanced understanding that I lack American edge lord. Must've spent so much time outside your bubble.
you don't need any of that lmao you have google.
 
you don't need any of that lmao you have google.
Ah yes. That's working well for your people so far. Poorly funded education is no biggie because you can teach yourself everything via google. :rolleyes:

Nothing can compete with the infallible arguments raised by an American that has "done their own research"
 
Ah yes. That's working well for your people so far. Poorly funded education is no biggie because you can teach yourself everything via google. :rolleyes:

Nothing can compete with the infallible arguments raised by an American that has "done their own research"
lmfao so if you learn from books, it's fake and if you learn online, it's fake. "checkmate, leftard. the only good option is agreeing with everything i believe actually" what a riveting take.
 
its been barely 2 months into Trump presidency and US is already siding with North Korea, Russia and Belarus, while cutting ties to its closest allies (not only that, but threatening to annex their territories).
Are ya winning yet? lmao

Cant wait for US to sell some more weapons to Israel and claim it's against war mongering.

This is the face of republican party:
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An out of control drug fueled egomaniac thinking he can run the country as a freaking startup.

A rich white south African is a good face for the American right.
 
You liberals are so incredibly stupid and easy to manipulate. We weren't good guys then. Nothing has changed. Lmao at us suddenly turning into villains because the dictator our elites like isn't getting funding anymore. It's all the same shit, and always has been
You were never perfect. The difference is that in those wars you had the backing of the entire western world. Now your new allies are Russia, North Korea, Belarus, Hungary and some African dictatorships.
 
I think we're closer to being in an alliance with Russia, China and Iran now, but only because Trump's doing such a good job of pushing us away from our current alliance.

The real awkward part will be getting Israel and Iran to shake hands.
 
I think we're closer to being in an alliance with Russia, China and Iran now, but only because Trump's doing such a good job of pushing us away from our current alliance.

The real awkward part will be getting Israel and Iran to shake hands.
i think we are seeing an administration so thoroughly corrupt that opposing corrupting forces are butting heads over who can be more corrupt.
 
lmfao so if you learn from books, it's fake and if you learn online, it's fake. "checkmate, leftard. the only good option is agreeing with everything i believe actually" what a riveting take.
Tankies aren't real lefties. We hate you. I'm not sure if you're full tankie retard or not but the flags are there... Guess I'm undecided on whether I think you're scum or not.

I'm a Leftie. I live in a very highly developed country that is quite left of America on the political spectrum (though I think that's an idiotic way of thinking of it) I live in an electorate where the major conservative party doesn't even bother to contest the seat. It's the center left party (Labor) vs the Greens vying for my electorate.

So maybe drop the fedora wearing "real leftie" victim complex mate.

You talk to any of the the posters from the countries I've seen you mention as countries that are "left" that are doing better from a HDI or standards of living perspective and they're going to have the same stance. Obviously recent actions aren't helping but they're still going to think you're a moron or worse.

America in her history has had almost no military presence even internally. The 1% spending America had pre ww1 is very low. NATO 2% guide is there because it avoids the hardware death spiral. Basically maintenance increases on equipment over time and if it racks up the maintenance budget get too large and you can't buy new stuff and the old stuff needs even more maintenance and it spirals out of control.

WW1 & 2 happened and afterwards we saw a dramatic shift in American Military policy and global geopolitics. Some good, some bad yada yada yada.

To say either way America is always the bad guy when you've had such a dramatic shift in geopolitics over your history is a gross and harmful oversimplification at best. Either like most Americans you don't know your own history, how and why America changed her largely isolationist stance and a nuanced understand of the good and bad that has resulted from it.

Or you're some tankie edgelord. Either way it's you that needs the history lesson. The lack of American understanding of the geopolitical shift, why it occurred, the pros, the cons is a big part of why you're getting the geopolitically incompetent cluster fuck you have now.


You know why I know posters from the high HDI "scandi" countries will feel the same? It's because Russia is waging a war in Ukraine while waging a hybrid warfare campaign against much of Europe. They're small countries with a large autocratic dictator in their sphere of influence that is trying to expand his sphere of influence.

They don't subscribe to the Mearshemeriwhatever version of geopolitical history mate. Might not be too happy with America right now but they, like I have a better understanding of the nuances than you are demonstrating.


They, like I want competent geopolitical leadership from America. Spread democracy through economic ties and continue to forge alliances with like minded democracies. And if needs be, send weapons to a fledgling democracy being invaded by a predatory neighbor or fight alongside an ally. Avoid it if we can but be realistic.

And unlike you we're educated on the history enough to know that America, at times is capable of competently playing the geopolitical game within our ideals.

And right now we are seeing the gross effects the dumbing down of history can have on America's actions and global geopolitical stability.


So yeah... I recommend you do a little reading and little self reflection as to whether your simplistic takes are helping achieve our ideals. Because I really don't think you're going to find too many lefties that appreciate the stupid simplistic takes right now. Try not to get defensive and have a good think about it.
 
Tankies aren't real lefties. We hate you. I'm not sure if you're full tankie retard or not but the flags are there... Guess I'm undecided on whether I think you're scum or not.
oh lord get over yourself lmao try not to snap ur spine sucking your own dick here, pal.
I'm a Leftie. I live in a very highly developed country that is quite left of America on the political spectrum (though I think that's an idiotic way of thinking of it) I live in an electorate where the major conservative party doesn't even bother to contest the seat. It's the center left party (Labor) vs the Greens vying for my electorate.
that's a lot of words to say "i'm actually not a leftist at all"
So maybe drop the fedora wearing "real leftie" victim complex mate.

You talk to any of the the posters from the countries I've seen you mention as countries that are "left" that are doing better from a HDI or standards of living perspective and they're going to have the same stance. Obviously recent actions aren't helping but they're still going to think you're a moron or worse.
basically everyone i've ever had agree with me on this forum fits your exact description to a tee.
America in her history has had almost no military presence even internally.
yeah. this is why i can't take you serious. the US fought two of the most consequential wars in the history of the west INTERNALLY, with over a million combined casualties, long before that. you're spewing bullshit to no one's surprise.
The 1% spending America had pre ww1 is very low. NATO 2% guide is there because it avoids the hardware death spiral. Basically maintenance increases on equipment over time and if it racks up the maintenance budget get too large and you can't buy new stuff and the old stuff needs even more maintenance and it spirals out of control.

WW1 & 2 happened and afterwards we saw a dramatic shift in American Military policy and global geopolitics. Some good, some bad yada yada yada.
imperialism for money has always been the U.S's M.O since even before it became the U.S. it has driven every foreign policy decision for 400 years.
To say either way America is always the bad guy when you've had such a dramatic shift in geopolitics over your history is a gross and harmful oversimplification at best. Either like most Americans you don't know your own history, how and why America changed her largely isolationist stance and a nuanced understand of the good and bad that has resulted from it.
no. YOU don't know american history. that's your problem. to brush off the atlantic slave trade, civil war, and indigenous genocides like nothing happened before WW1 is fucking retarded.
Or you're some tankie edgelord. Either way it's you that needs the history lesson. The lack of American understanding of the geopolitical shift, why it occurred, the pros, the cons is a big part of why you're getting the geopolitically incompetent cluster fuck you have now.
jesus christ you're an arrogant prick lmao imagine knowing so little and being this insistent.
You know why I know posters from the high HDI "scandi" countries will feel the same? It's because Russia is waging a war in Ukraine while waging a hybrid warfare campaign against much of Europe. They're small countries with a large autocratic dictator in their sphere of influence that is trying to expand his sphere of influence.
yeah norwegians are not only super anti-socialist but it's because of russia. this is the type of shit you see scribbled in an abandoned house in human excrement.
They don't subscribe to the Mearshemeriwhatever version of geopolitical history mate. Might not be too happy with America right now but they, like I have a better understanding of the nuances than you are demonstrating.


They, like I want competent geopolitical leadership from America. Spread democracy through economic ties and continue to forge alliances with like minded democracies. And if needs be, send weapons to a fledgling democracy being invaded by a predatory neighbor or fight alongside an ally. Avoid it if we can but be realistic.

And unlike you we're educated on the history enough to know that America, at times is capable of competently playing the geopolitical game within our ideals.

And right now we are seeing the gross effects the dumbing down of history can have on America's actions and global geopolitical stability.


So yeah... I recommend you do a little reading and little self reflection as to whether your simplistic takes are helping achieve our ideals. Because I really don't think you're going to find too many lefties that appreciate the stupid simplistic takes right now. Try not to get defensive and have a good think about it.
yeah ain't no way i'm reading the rest of this. you did more to help my argument than i could have asked for. appreciate it.
 
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