Economy Is AI Really Replacing Jobs?

[lifelessheap]

Yes and no. In my field ( HVACR) there is a ton of equipment that already has AI capabilities. Self diagnosing, constantly learning and studying building trends to improve itself to work more efficiently.

But that stuff breaks, components fail , board sensors etc. You get phantom issues , power outages, brownous. And that's where the value of a tech still comes in. Unless your an old-school guy who refuses to get with the times . Then you get replaced.

What does the R stand for?

Heating/ventilation/air conditioning and ?

 

[chardog]

Indeed. If Americans aren't clever enough to do the requested job it's understandable. It fucked me off when UK had to tender out to the EU for various outsourcing of things like food for schools.
But any normal sort of job that doesn't require someone whose won awards and stuff an exception does get made.

I am of the opinion that they absolutely are good enough to do the job, but it all comes down to price. A $60,000 worker from India is a hell of a lot cheaper than $120,000 worker from America. You don’t have to pay for payroll taxes, you don’t have to pay for Healthcare, you don’t have to pay for insurance, no matching 401….

Today I lost a lot of fellow workers that have been there for over a decade, many that I mentored and know they’re capabilities, and I mentored dozens of H1B workers, and I am also familiar with their strengths and weaknesses. I really don’t view the H1B‘s as a superhuman race, they are just good workers just like the rest of the American crew, however they undercut a whole lot. The ratio of H1B’s that have been chopped are much higher than native workers, many of them , damn near all of them have more credentials than me, but their skillset isnt at the same level. Many talk a great game, have really high confidence, and underperform, however, with enough brute force, you will find good workers at the expense of americans.

Imagine if doctors, lawyers, any other profession was treated that way, there would be an uproar.

Perfectly good developers were let go, not because they were under performing, our private equity owners wanted to see increased profit.

 

[chardog]

What does the R stand for?

Heating/ventilation/air conditioning and ?

Refrigerant?

 

[BudKing8806]

Jobs? It's gonna be replacing human lives soon enough.

 

[Sweater of AV]

Is AI replacing jobs? Yes, some.
Is AI replacing jobs in a competent and well-thought-out manner? No.

 

[lifelessheap]

Refrigerant?

Refrigeration. Apparently. Good call


He must be able to service walk in freezers and fridges and shit like cold rooms in supermarkets.

 

[fedoriswar37]

What does the R stand for?

Heating/ventilation/air conditioning and ?

Refrigeration.

Edit- saw your post. So yes you nailed it . Low temp Refrigeration and comfort cooling are 2 different ball games.

 

[pinger]

It's interesting that AI is a real threat to jobs that traditionally we thought of as highly specialized and safe like lawyers and doctors

 

[BudKing8806]

It's interesting that AI is a real threat to jobs that traditionally we thought of as highly specialized and safe like lawyers and doctors

I mean what other job is AI going to do besides office work and coding? Plumbing? Electrician?

 

[lifelessheap]

Refrigeration.

Edit- saw your post. So yes you nailed it . Low temp Refrigeration and comfort cooling are 2 different ball games.

I used to be a house painter. Lmao. On construction sites for 20 years.

Loved the HVAC guy I used to work with. Dude was a workaholic. Only guy who hustled around a job site more than me. And I used to jog and run and fly up scaffolding and ladders.

 

[Rob Battisti]

You do what you gotta do. What were the responsibilities of the people being eliminated?

Recruiting coordinators. Probably won’t happen for another 6 months.

 

[gspieler]

AI will put millions out of work and nothing will be done to help people that lost their jobs.

Interesting take; to claim declining birth rates are a crisis because (in part) the effect it will have on the labor markets, but simultaneously claim AI is bad because it will take away jobs from people.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

They laid off people to free up money for AI, not because AI replaced all those jobs.

Your average Microsoft worker isn't even using AI anywhere near as much as the public thinks, let alone on device like Microsoft envisions.

AI didnt replace all jobs, but ironically, the same tech some within Microsoft were helping develop, ultimately ended up being the reason they were let go. Freeing up money for AI is essentially AI being responsible for people losing their jobs, lol.

Everyone is using AI. You are probably using it unknowingly as we speak. It WILL continue to replace jobs. Why wouldnt it? In the last couple years alone that tech has progressed infinitely faster than anything else in the last 20 years plus. In another 2-3 years....forget about it. Most of these degrees people are getting will be worth less than the paper they are written on.

 

[avenue94]

AI didnt replace all jobs, but ironically, the same tech some within Microsoft were helping develop, ultimately ended up being the reason they were let go. Freeing up money for AI is essentially AI being responsible for people losing their jobs, lol.

Everyone is using AI. You are probably using it unknowingly as we speak. It WILL continue to replace jobs. Why wouldnt it? In the last couple years alone that tech has progressed infinitely faster than anything else in the last 20 years plus. In another 2-3 years....forget about it. Most of these degrees people are getting will be worth less than the paper they are written on.

In what way am I using an LLM in posting on sherdog?

Amd you think this wave of LLMs will surpass its scaling issues? How do you think it accomplishes that?

And the jobs vs funding key is important. If a company fires people in order to pay for a new couch, that doesn't mean couches are replacing jobs does it?

 

[MarloStanfield]

Maybe, but the end game doesn't make a lot of sense. Yea, companies can use this AI to replace everyone, but then who is going to buy the product? Unless they come out with some universal income or something, I don't see it happening.

I guess there’s enough rich people who will be ok but the rest of us will be fighting for scraps, the divide will be 3rd world

 

[BudKing8806]

I guess there’s enough rich people who will be ok but the rest of us will be fighting for scraps, the divide will be 3rd world

I am not sure. You think a few rich people will be able to fend off millions of "3rd world" people who are used to having all basic needs met? That would be a pretty drastic change for 340 million people to adjust to.

 

[MarloStanfield]

I am not sure. You think a few rich people will be able to fend off millions of "3rd world" people who are used to having all basic needs met? That would be a pretty drastic change for 340 million people to adjust to.

They seem to have them under control in large parts of Asia,

 

[SandisLL]

H1B visa's for 100K per visa. If immigrants are that smart, they are worth the 100K price tag. If not, its just tech companies trying to hire cheap labor. If thats the case, Hire American citizens. Otherwise STFU, and cry somewhere else.

They definitely long ago are " crying somewhere else " damn long ago.

Damn long ago and in majority of cases even doesn't need immigrants located in U.S at all.
Devs aren't burgers flippers.

Did you had even had to read about shared software development ? About this even 20 years ago seminars were popular.

You might work with distributed teams to create product.... yes, also with remote teams.
There also is thing like outstaffing too..was well known even 20 years ago, it is nothing new. Routine.

You are looking on this like on burgers flippers or restaurant waiters? That they should be located in your area to do job?

 

[SandisLL]

companies want developers located onsite if they have some specific product, firmware, some products with high security risks etc.

however majority of tasks are CRUD type stuff actually and " secrets " there are businesses logic implemented according customer needs and architecture etc ...not some supersecret wunder tool.

 

[KeepingItReal]

I don't know, let me ask ChatGPT.