If jones beats tom

[Superzorro]

This reply has absolutely nothing to do with the rancid donkey faeces you sharted out on to the forum in your previous post about Tom being one of his weakest wins

Such a dumb post I can’t believe you were retarded enough to make it up

Can you provide any argument for Aspinall being a greater fighter than Lyoto Machida, Rashad Evans, Shogun Rua, etc other than "I like him," and "I think he's a nice guy?" They put in too much work resume wise to be considered beneath a guy, who's best wins were both put in the dirt by the Black Beast.

 

[SuperAlly]

who's best wins were both put in the dirt by the Black Beast.

When you are this retarded I don't feel the need to

Not evena good troll

 

[muaythaibeast]

That's because Shavkat was willing to accept another fight. Stipe at that point was not going to accept another fight against anyone other than Jones for the title. And I don't blame him. Why would he fight for an interim title at that age?

But that's the point. Circumstances changed, and the UFC didn't adapt and acknowledge that things have changed.
A guy with zero wins over anyone currently competing in the UFC, and no wins in the last 4 years fighting for a title shouldn't be a possibility in any circumstances, never mind when we have an interim champion that has nearly cleaned out the division.

 

[muaythaibeast]

Can you provide any argument for Aspinall being a greater fighter than Lyoto Machida, Rashad Evans, Shogun Rua, etc other than "I like him," and "I think he's a nice guy?" They put in too much work resume wise to be considered beneath a guy, who's best wins were both put in the dirt by the Black Beast.

Lewis got finished in round 1 by Pavlovich and Spivac.
Aspinall is stronger, faster and a better grappler than all 3 mentioned when you factor in his size. Do you think Machida, Evans or Rua would see round 2 against him? I'm a huge Machida fan, and he'd have zero chance in that fight.

 

[orca]

No Gane is not a solid wins. He's a unidimensional fighter. Mo Smith was more well rounded and would e been a tougher fight for Jones.

Ngannou is the same except he can KO anyone. Most likely he'd lose like Gane though. HW is as weak now as when Tim and Arlovski were the top 2

gane has like 3 submission wins
so a fighter that almost beat the champ is not a solid win? loool

 

[orca]

What do you mean are you serious?
Fedor began to lose fights after having 35 professional mma fights competing in an organisation where steroids were part and parcel of competition.
GSP never failed a test, despite allegations.
Jones we know beyond any shadow of a doubt is a career drugs cheat in an organisation where PEDs were not permitted.
Jones is on a par with Barnett and Belfort for having absolutely no credibility due to being a cheat. I don't even understand how you argue that the one we know abused drugs in a tested organisation is not a cheat, but the guy who never failed a test is.

you believe anyone can have a body like this man by just doing cardio and kicking and punching stuffs
you also believe the rock is natural too because the rock never failed a test
are you like 14 years old?
seriously the mans shoulders are almost as big as his head bro.
whats gsp record again in a drug tested era?
the man claims hes natural..
yeah bro gsp builds mucles by just doing cardio holy crp dude


also fedor looked like crap in a drug testing org
yeah coincidence?

 

[BowserJr]

gane has like 3 submission wins
so a fighter that almost beat the champ is not a solid win? loool

What's a bigger win Bustamante over Dave menne or Costa over Romero?

 

[icemun]

so is gane not a solid win?
ived watched gane vs nganou
he should have been already a legit ufc champ if he didnt go for the submission

YOu have to ignore that fool

The hate is seething through his pores

 

[icemun]

you believe anyone can have a body like this man by just doing cardio and kicking and punching stuffs
you also believe the rock is natural too because the rock never failed a test
are you like 14 years old?
seriously the mans shoulders are almost as big as his head bro.
whats gsp record again in a drug tested era?
the man claims hes natural..
yeah bro gsp builds mucles by just doing cardio holy crp dude
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also fedor looked like crap in a drug testing org
yeah coincidence?

This pic here



#natty

 

[Superzorro]

But that's the point. Circumstances changed, and the UFC didn't adapt and acknowledge that things have changed.
A guy with zero wins over anyone currently competing in the UFC, and no wins in the last 4 years fighting for a title shouldn't be a possibility in any circumstances, never mind when we have an interim champion that has nearly cleaned out the division.

Right but if you remember, you said that Jones "avoided" Aspinall, unless you're a different person than the one that initially responded to me. So technically no, that's not the point. You can say that the rankings were unjust. You could say that the UFC made decisions that didn't make sense. But you can't say that Jones ducked Aspinall. All Jones did was complete two fights that already had his named signed in contract.

If he doesn't fight Aspinall now that he's contractually free and able to take the fight, then it could be considered ducking.

 

[Superzorro]

When you are this retarded I don't feel the need to

Not evena good troll

Cry all you want, but it's factual.

Derrick Lewis was in the octagon with dead bodies at the end of his fights with Volkov and Blaydes.

 

[Superzorro]

Lewis got finished in round 1 by Pavlovich and Spivac.
Aspinall is stronger, faster and a better grappler than all 3 mentioned when you factor in his size. Do you think Machida, Evans or Rua would see round 2 against him? I'm a huge Machida fan, and he'd have zero chance in that fight.

He did. This doesn't contradict what I said though. Is your argument that Pavlovich and Spivac are more significant wins for him than Volkov and Blaydes? We can have that debateif you want.
It depends. At LHW? Certainly. But this is a little strange, because I never said they were better fighters than Aspinall or win head to head. They simply have better resumes. Debating their skills is moving the goal post.

 

[skylolow]

If Jones beats Tom the UFC will put together Jones vs Poatan no doubt about it and it will probably be Jones last match.

 

[SuperNerd]

Tom vs Jon for the UFC HW title makes sense.

Stop pretending there is more to this.

 

[muaythaibeast]

He did. This doesn't contradict what I said though. Is your argument that Pavlovich and Spivac are more significant wins for him than Volkov and Blaydes? We can have that debateif you want.
It depends. At LHW? Certainly. But this is a little strange, because I never said they were better fighters than Aspinall or win head to head. They simply have better resumes. Debating their skills is moving the goal post.

I'm debating skills because I'm claiming that Aspinall is a bigger win than anyone bar DC, as Aspinall would beat everyone else Jones has faced. This isn't a p4p debate as how dangerous someone is p4p isn't relevant here. Volkanovski is better p4p than anyone Jones has faced, but would obviously be a far easier fight.
Aspinall, given his physical attributes and skills, is at absolute lowest the 2nd most dangerous fighter Jones will ever fight, which is why it would be huge for his legacy.

Right but if you remember, you said that Jones "avoided" Aspinall, unless you're a different person than the one that initially responded to me. So technically no, that's not the point. You can say that the rankings were unjust. You could say that the UFC made decisions that didn't make sense. But you can't say that Jones ducked Aspinall. All Jones did was complete two fights that already had his named signed in contract.

If he doesn't fight Aspinall now that he's contractually free and able to take the fight, then it could be considered ducking.

I have said Gane ducked Aspinall and Blaydes, but haven't criticised Jon for it, although I think Dana completely fucked it by not scrapping the Stipe fight.
From Jon's perspective, if he's given the opportunity to take an easy fight against Poatan instead of fight a guy who likely beats him, why wouldn't he do that? It's prize fighting, everyone would take the easy pay day. The point is, the UFC have always pushed the narrative that the best will fight the best, and it falls on them to make that happen.

 

[Superzorro]

I'm debating skills because I'm claiming that Aspinall is a bigger win than anyone bar DC, as Aspinall would beat everyone else Jones has faced. This isn't a p4p debate as how dangerous someone is p4p isn't relevant here. Volkanovski is better p4p than anyone Jones has faced, but would obviously be a far easier fight.
Aspinall, given his physical attributes and skills, is at absolute lowest the 2nd most dangerous fighter Jones will ever fight, which is why it would be huge for his legacy.

That doesn’t make any sense. A bigger win is automatically going to be the more accomplished fighter.
If Aspinall is a big win, is Gane a big win too? How far are we willing to take this?
To call Aspinall a bigger win than Machida would also be jumping the gun.
And I’ll explain why.

If Jones fought Pavlovich right instead of Gane like the fans were clamoring for, and Pavlovich lost then proceeded to go on this losing streak, that win wouldn’t be a “bigger win.” The same could be said for Aspinall. We don’t know what his career will pan out to be. So there’s still no evidence to say that it would look better on Jones record than the other people who are actual champions, who beat actual champions.

What was stopping Gane from being a “bigger win” for Jones? You could use that same logic. And yet here we are, post Jones victory with most fans saying that the win was meaningless.


And to be honest, we’re not even really debating skill. Those fighters are more skilled than Aspinall as well. Aspinall is just more dangerous because he’s bigger. A more dangerous opponent isn’t necessarily a “bigger win.” Just like how Gane could probably beat all those light heavyweights— Stipe probably could as well. Stipe actually beat DC. But you would be crazy to say Gane and Stipe are bigger wins. That doesn’t make And like Gane, once/if Jones beats him, Aspinall will suddenly and simultaneously have never been any good and the most overrated fighter in the division.

I have said Gane ducked Aspinall and Blaydes, but haven't criticised Jon for it, although I think Dana completely fucked it by not scrapping the Stipe fight.
From Jon's perspective, if he's given the opportunity to take an easy fight against Poatan instead of fight a guy who likely beats him, why wouldn't he do that? It's prize fighting, everyone would take the easy pay day. The point is, the UFC have always pushed the narrative that the best will fight the best, and it falls on them to make that happen.

Yeah, my entire point was that Jones didn’t duck Aspinall. So if we agree there, I’ll just leave it at that.

 

[Bend NvR Break]

If Jon fights Tom then Alex with fight Ank and lose.
Jon vs Alex goes down the drain.

 

[Bend NvR Break]

I'm debating skills because I'm claiming that Aspinall is a bigger win than anyone bar DC, as Aspinall would beat everyone else Jones has faced. This isn't a p4p debate as how dangerous someone is p4p isn't relevant here. Volkanovski is better p4p than anyone Jones has faced, but would obviously be a far easier fight.
Aspinall, given his physical attributes and skills, is at absolute lowest the 2nd most dangerous fighter Jones will ever fight, which is why it would be huge for his legacy.

I have said Gane ducked Aspinall and Blaydes, but haven't criticised Jon for it, although I think Dana completely fucked it by not scrapping the Stipe fight.
From Jon's perspective, if he's given the opportunity to take an easy fight against Poatan instead of fight a guy who likely beats him, why wouldn't he do that? It's prize fighting, everyone would take the easy pay day. The point is, the UFC have always pushed the narrative that the best will fight the best, and it falls on them to make that happen.

Tom isn't beating prime Rampage or Machida or Gus

Idk. Tom doesn't seem special to me. He's a more aggressive Derrick Lewis with BJJ imo. HW is a terrible division and Tom ran through the dumpster fire of a division.

 

[Bret 'The Hitman' Hart]

By the power of the picograms, you can do it Jon! Let's go!

 

[SuperAlly]

Cry all you want, but it's factual.

Derrick Lewis was in the octagon with dead bodies at the end of his fights with Volkov and Blaydes.

Cry all you want but your lack of nuance and context on this topic is factually retarded and your opinions are not even worth hearing or debating