If jones beats tom

[JakePaulMMA]

If Jon beats Tom, he's done. And I don't think anyone would hold that against him. Or at least, most wouldn't.

His ego may push him into that "final boss" mentality, though, especially if that final boss is someone he has every physical (power notwithstanding) and stylistic advantage over.

He's gonna challenge Dana Fucking White on the spot. Winner becomes UFC President. Loser leaves America. No forfeit, no judges, that drunk ref will be on shift, but we can't find his ass.

ding ding ding

 

[mkess101]

Yeah, most Aspinall fans I’ve talked to have openly admitted that it would be one of the weakest wins on Jones resume if he were to win.

You must be talking to legit the dumbest of Aspinall's fans.
I just wanna see the fight, because it's the two clear best HW's in the UFC. If Jon wins, only a moron would say it's not a super impressive win.

 

[mkess101]

Yeah, you could easily make a case for his other opponents being bigger wins. His other opponents were champions who in most cases have beaten multiple other champions.

That lacks a shit ton of context. All but 2 of those wins were at LHW. Jon moving up was the "challenge" for him to take on for a long time. And Aspinall is wrecking everyone he faces, and the eye test says he's more than legit.

 

[asdf122345]

If Jones wins. He should retire. There no one left for him. He can retire as the GOAT.

 

[AmonTobin]

Yeah, most Aspinall fans I’ve talked to have openly admitted that it would be one of the weakest wins on Jones resume if he were to win.

Ha. Bullshit.

 

[SuperAlly]

Interesting that both of Tom’s best wins have been put to sleep by the Black Beast.

Yeah, most Aspinall fans I’ve talked to have openly admitted that it would be one of the weakest wins on Jones resume if he were to win.

lol at pretence of not being being a troll

You just made up some conversations in your crazy little head

 

[NextGen]

If Jones wins, it'll mean he defeated his toughest opponent possible and has nothing left to prove and should retire as undisputed MMA GOAT. Fighting Pereira would be a massive downgrade from Aspinall.

Not that I think Jones would beat Aspinall (objectively speaking).

 

[Superzorro]

You must be talking to legit the dumbest of Aspinall's fans.
I just wanna see the fight, because it's the two clear best HW's in the UFC. If Jon wins, only a moron would say it's not a super impressive win.

I agree. But are we going to pretend that fighters don't suddenly become mediocre the moment after they're defeated by Jones?

That lacks a shit ton of context. All but 2 of those wins were at LHW. Jon moving up was the "challenge" for him to take on for a long time. And Aspinall is wrecking everyone he faces, and the eye test says he's more than legit.

What's wrong with all but two of them being at LHW? HW is extra credit. Jones is a career LHW fighter. No other LHW is required to win the HW title. If so, I'll ask you to name 1) where its been done before and 2) where it was a requirement for them to be considered great.
Nothing else you said contradicts most of his other wins, being champions who have beaten champions.

Ha. Bullshit.

lol at pretence of not being being a troll

You just made up some conversations in your crazy little head

No, not at all. Really ask these people what Aspinall will do for their perception of Jones legacy. At the end of the day, this fight isn't the difference between Jones being above Fedor or GSP. They're still going to say "but steroids," win or lose. If you deny that, you're living in delusion-- because it's been like that since the St. Preux fight.

 

[muaythaibeast]

Yeah, you could easily make a case for his other opponents being bigger wins. His other opponents were champions who in most cases have beaten multiple other champions.

Not a single one of which would have been a champ had the champ of the day refused to fight, as is the case right now.
Shogun is the either the greatest or 2nd greatest 205er of all time depending on how you view drugs cheats, but he wouldn't put up a competitive showing against elite heavyweights.

 

[muaythaibeast]

No, not at all. Really ask these people what Aspinall will do for their perception of Jones legacy. At the end of the day, this fight isn't the difference between Jones being above Fedor or GSP. They're still going to say "but steroids," win or lose. If you deny that, you're living in delusion-- because it's been like that since the St. Preux fifight

Which is exactly how it should be. You don't erase a career of cheating regardless of who you beat.

 

[orca]

If Jones beats Tom he'll have 1 solid HW win.



Beating Poatan does nothing for his legacy since Poatan is unidimensional.



If Jones wants a solid HW legacy he has to beat Blaydes, Volkov and Tom

so is gane not a solid win?
ived watched gane vs nganou
he should have been already a legit ufc champ if he didnt go for the submission

 

[orca]

Which is exactly how it should be. You don't erase a career of cheating regardless of who you beat.

well gsp didnt wanna fight in drug tested era
and fedor got ktfou left and right in a drug tested org

seems like the definition of steroids built your legacy

jones fought in a non drug tested era and tested era
hes the only one thats proven

gsp shoulder is as big as his head..hes building muscles just doing cardio and kicking stuff
ive seen natural bodybuilding shows contestants are outmuscled by gsp lmfao
these guys train all their life in bodybuilding but somehow a guy like gsp builds more muscle
by just doing cardio

are you serious?

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

If Jones beat Tom, you can guarantee people will demand him fight Poatan next. They'll say Tom wasn't proven but Alex is. It's a never ending cycle.

Fedor is my favorite fighter of all time and I still consider him the best HW of all time. I've conceded that Jones is the best fighter of all time though. People really want to see him lose and if he keeps winning, people will keep making excuses on who he has to fight next to prove himself.

 

[BowserJr]

so is gane not a solid win?
ived watched gane vs nganou
he should have been already a legit ufc champ if he didnt go for the submission

No Gane is not a solid wins. He's a unidimensional fighter. Mo Smith was more well rounded and would e been a tougher fight for Jones.

Ngannou is the same except he can KO anyone. Most likely he'd lose like Gane though. HW is as weak now as when Tim and Arlovski were the top 2

 

[Laheys'Liquorland]

When Jon beats Tom.









Come at me bitches!

 

[Superzorro]

Not a single one of which would have been a champ had the champ of the day refused to fight, as is the case right now.
Shogun is the either the greatest or 2nd greatest 205er of all time depending on how you view drugs cheats, but he wouldn't put up a competitive showing against elite heavyweights.

Jones never officially refused to face Aspinall or Pavlovich though. Gane (1) was ranked higher than both at the time Jones moved up (x). And the Stipe fight was booked before Aspinall became the number one contender/interim champion, albeit postponed due to injury. Say what you want about the rankings, but in March 2023, Stipe (2) was higher than Aspinall (6) and Pavlovich (3) at this time as well (as per x.)
The only thing that happened was that Jones didn't cancel the Stipe fight as the rankings changed in his brief absence which is to be expected. The UFC can't just nullify the title fight contract that Stipe already signed unless Stipe himself signed for a different fight. You can say that you think these rankings were unjust-- and quite honestly, that would be a fair assessment-- but all I'm doing is setting out the facts.


Shogun, Machida, Evans, Rampage, Cormier were all champions that beat other champions.

Which is exactly how it should be. You don't erase a career of cheating regardless of who you beat.

Exactly, so my original statement stands.

 

[muaythaibeast]

well gsp didnt wanna fight in drug tested era
and fedor got ktfou left and right in a drug tested org

seems like the definition of steroids built your legacy

jones fought in a non drug tested era and tested era
hes the only one thats proven

gsp shoulder is as big as his head..hes building muscles just doing cardio and kicking stuff
ive seen natural bodybuilding shows contestants are outmuscled by gsp lmfao
these guys train all their life in bodybuilding but somehow a guy like gsp builds more muscle
by just doing cardio

are you serious?

What do you mean are you serious?
Fedor began to lose fights after having 35 professional mma fights competing in an organisation where steroids were part and parcel of competition.
GSP never failed a test, despite allegations.
Jones we know beyond any shadow of a doubt is a career drugs cheat in an organisation where PEDs were not permitted.
Jones is on a par with Barnett and Belfort for having absolutely no credibility due to being a cheat. I don't even understand how you argue that the one we know abused drugs in a tested organisation is not a cheat, but the guy who never failed a test is.

 

[muaythaibeast]

Jones never officially refused to face Aspinall or Pavlovich though. Gane (1) was ranked higher than both at the time Jones moved up (x). And the Stipe fight was booked before Aspinall became the number one contender/interim champion, albeit postponed due to injury. Say what you want about the rankings, but in March 2023, Stipe (2) was higher than Aspinall (6) and Pavlovich (3) at this time as well (as per x.)
The only thing that happened was that Jones didn't cancel the Stipe fight as the rankings changed in his brief absence which is to be expected. The UFC can't just nullify the title fight contract that Stipe already signed unless Stipe himself signed for a different fight. You can say that you think these rankings were unjust-- and quite honestly, that would be a fair assessment-- but all I'm doing is setting out the

Jones never officially refused to face Aspinall or Pavlovich though. Gane (1) was ranked higher than both at the time Jones moved up (x). And the Stipe fight was booked before Aspinall became the number one contender/interim champion, albeit postponed due to injury. Say what you want about the rankings, but in March 2023, Stipe (2) was higher than Aspinall (6) and Pavlovich (3) at this time as well (as per x.)
The only thing that happened was that Jones didn't cancel the Stipe fight as the rankings changed in his brief absence which is to be expected. The UFC can't just nullify the title fight contract that Stipe already signed unless Stipe himself signed for a different fight. You can say that you think these rankings were unjust-- and quite honestly, that would be a fair assessment-- but all I'm doing is setting out the facts.

The Gane fight made sense, absolutely no criticism, that was the fight at the time. At the time the Stipe fight was booked, again, no issues. If it had gone ahead when it should have, it would have been fine, even if it was undeserved on Stipe's part.
Thats where the legitimacy ended though. There is no merit in holding an entire division hostage because a fight was once booked.
We've seen countless times where a fight is scrapped after it doesn't happen due to injury or any other reason. Shavkat just fought a replacement because Belal got injured, and would not be fighting for the title now had he lost, even though he'd already signed for the title fight. You don't stick with a plan because it made sense at one point, you adapt to changing circumstances.

 

[SuperAlly]

No, not at all. Really ask these people what Aspinall will do for their perception of Jones legacy. At the end of the day, this fight isn't the difference between Jones being above Fedor or GSP. They're still going to say "but steroids," win or lose. If you deny that, you're living in delusion-- because it's been like that since the St. Preux fight.

This reply has absolutely nothing to do with the rancid donkey faeces you sharted out on to the forum in your previous post about Tom being one of his weakest wins

Such a dumb post I can’t believe you were retarded enough to make it up

 

[Superzorro]

The Gane fight made sense, absolutely no criticism, that was the fight at the time. At the time the Stipe fight was booked, again, no issues. If it had gone ahead when it should have, it would have been fine, even if it was undeserved on Stipe's part.
Thats where the legitimacy ended though. There is no merit in holding an entire division hostage because a fight was once booked.
We've seen countless times where a fight is scrapped after it doesn't happen due to injury or any other reason. Shavkat just fought a replacement because Belal got injured, and would not be fighting for the title now had he lost, even though he'd already signed for the title fight. You don't stick with a plan because it made sense at one point, you adapt to changing circumstances.

That's because Shavkat was willing to accept another fight. Stipe at that point was not going to accept another fight against anyone other than Jones for the title. And I don't blame him. Why would he fight for an interim title at that age?