Social ICE/deportation protests and riots megathread

[Hog-train]

my bad then, i have similar views as you more strict enforcement but also more legal pathways.

The problem is the media is constantly lying and trying to deceive about this shit.

A lot of the SOB stories we're hearing in the media about mother of 3 deported or father who has been here for 20 years deported, almost always forgets to mention they committed a crime or had a final deportation order for years. But past governments just never followed up and deported them. Even though that's the law.

Now they're actually enforcing the law and it's a shock to many because they haven't for decades. Hence all the "Nazi" accusations.

Trump is however also doing some inhumane shit like moving around people so the family doesn't know where people are detained. I'm against shit like that.

Also don't support deporting someone if it's a minor misdemeanor and they have a green card. But any felon should be kicked out - not just violent felons.

 

[Hog-train]

I agree, as long as we are talking about after serving their sentence and documenting in their criminal record.

I don't understand some people's (not saying yours) logic of deporting criminals instead of jailing them, simply because it's cheaper.

To me, that seems to encourage immigrants (especially illegal) to commit crimes knowing they are likely to be deported instead of incarcerated, while giving them potentially a second chance to sneak back in down the road.

Because if it's a less serious felony that is non-violent, it's not worth the cost to jail them and then deport.

If it's something serious like murder, rape or manslaughter, then yes jail and then deport.

And we're not just deporting illegal murders BTW. We are jailing them first.

 

[Soggust]

Because if it's a less serious felony that is non-violent, it's not worth the cost to jail them and then deport.

If it's something serious like murder, rape or manslaughter, then yes jail and then deport.

And we're not just deporting illegal murders BTW. We are jailing them first.

Would you agree with not deporting Kilmar until prosecuted? I hear that guy is a human trafficker, pdfile, gang member, etc.

Certainly, we should send him to prison instead of deporting him, I would think.

 

[oldshadow]

No matter what Garcia goes out of this country.

 

[Hog-train]

Would you agree with not deporting Kilmar until prosecuted? I hear that guy is a human trafficker, pdfile, gang member, etc.

Certainly, we should send him to prison instead of deporting him, I would think.

Human trafficking on the scale he was doing (he got caught transporting a van full of illegals) is on the cusp for me. Wouldn't warrant a ton of time if he happened to be a citizen. So no, just deport.

It costs a lot of money to house prisoners. In my state, it is annually 115K per prisoner per year.

Being a gang member is what he was highly suspected of being, but that was in his home country. No crimes attached to it in this country.

The wife beater thing is almost a certainty because his wife had audio recordings talking about it that anyone can hear on the internet as well as official court documents where she detailed the abuse.

 

[Soggust]

Human trafficking on the scale he was doing (he got caught transporting a van full of illegals) is on the cusp for me. Wouldn't warrant a ton of time if he happened to be a citizen. So no, just deport.

It costs a lot of money to house prisoners. In my state, it is annually 115K per prisoner per year.

Being a gang member is what he was highly suspected of being, but that was in his home country. No crimes attached to it in this country.

The wife beater thing is almost a certainty because his wife had audio recordings talking about it that anyone can hear on the internet as well as official court documents where she detailed the abuse.

The crimes he was charged with carried a sentence of up to 10 years per alien he trafficked. He was stopped with 8 people in 2022. That's a max of up to 80 years in prison.

Now, I'll be fair and admit that's realistically an overestimate (although with this admin, who knows) and they are likely going to run concurrently (plus you can get out at 85% time served in federal, etc) but I still think he would be facing a legit 5-10 years.

And certainly, if we think the guy is a wife beater and a gang member in ANY country, seems like someone who especially should be locked up lol.

Remember, we don't want gang members in other countries, either. I believe that's why we have destroyers outside Venezuela and are about to bust into Mexico lol.

 

[Sinister]

Like all things all this DHS bullsh*t is just turning the working class on the working class. This video shows the circus that is "immigration enforcement"...hassling US Citizens. And it's hilarious how almost every Cop in this video has an accent. Taking a paycheck to hassle their own people. Disgraceful:

 

[Sinister]

Another one:

 

[Hog-train]

The crimes he was charged with carried a sentence of up to 10 years per alien he trafficked. He was stopped with 8 people in 2022. That's a max of up to 80 years in prison.

Now, I'll be fair and admit that's realistically an overestimate (although with this admin, who knows) and they are likely going to run concurrently (plus you can get out at 85% time served in federal, etc) but I still think he would be facing a legit 5-10 years.

But he wasn't the main trafficker or boss of the organization. He wasn't doing sex trafficking, didn't use force, fraud or coercion. Wasn't doing forced labor. He was just a hired driver transporting illegals who paid money to get smuggled into the country. There was no coercion.

So why TF would he get 80 years? That's ridiculous. Even 10 years is unrealistic. He was literally just a low level driver.

And certainly, if we think the guy is a wife beater and a gang member in ANY country, seems like someone who especially should be locked up lol.

But you can't lock up somebody for unproven stuff he did in another country. And the DA never pressed charges for the domestic abuse.

 

[avenue94]

But he wasn't the main trafficker or boss of the organization. He wasn't doing sex trafficking, didn't use force, fraud or coercion. Wasn't doing forced labor. He was just a hired driver transporting illegals who paid money to get smuggled into the country. There was no coercion.

So why TF would he get 80 years? That's ridiculous. Even 10 years is unrealistic. He was literally just a low level driver.

If prosecuting him is such a waste, than why did the administration go down this route?

If it's for leverage, that's veering dangerously close to civil rights violations (equal protection laws).

 

[MacGregor]

 

[Hog-train]

They were about to deport this guy and then an activist judge blocks the deportation AGAIN. WTF. This MOFO has nine lives.

I don't understand how many times different judges can block his deportation? Is it every federal judge in the country? There are nearly 1,770 authorized judgeships across the U.S. federal court system.

Judge temporarily blocks Kilmar Abrego Garcia's deportation: What to know

Abrego Garcia, 30, reported to the ICE field office in Baltimore 3 days after he was released from custody in Tennessee and returned to his home.

www.usatoday.com

 

[avenue94]

They were about to deport this guy and then an activist judge blocks the deportation AGAIN. WTF. This MOFO has nine lives.

I don't understand how many times different judges can block his deportation? Is it every federal judge in the country? There are nearly 1,770 authorized judgeships across the U.S. federal court system.

Judge temporarily blocks Kilmar Abrego Garcia's deportation: What to know

Abrego Garcia, 30, reported to the ICE field office in Baltimore 3 days after he was released from custody in Tennessee and returned to his home.

www.usatoday.com

If courts repeatedly challenge the administration's conduct, which has frequently veered into the illegal, perhaps the problem is with the administration, not "activist judges."

 

[Blayt7hh]

Seems like a 1st amendment violation.

Yes he is normalizing consolidation of all power into the executive branch and now freely violating the constitution when he feels like it. The we have total idiots like the one you quoted cheering it on, to stupid to understand how un-American this is.

 

[ShadowRun]

Who cares some of them violent criminals

 

[Hog-train]

If courts repeatedly challenge the administration's conduct, which has frequently veered into the illegal, perhaps the problem is with the administration, not "activist judges."

The Supreme Court already ruled people can be deported to third party countries. It's settled law.

Now the temporary stop by this judge is based on which third country he's deported to. He wants to pick and choose. If we have to do this whole entire process for the millions of illegals, it would take ten years to deport 500 people. This is ridiculous.

 

[avenue94]

The Supreme Court already ruled people can be deported to third party countries. It's settled law.

Now the temporary stop by this judge is based on which third country he's deported to. He wants to pick and choose. If we have to do this whole entire process for the millions of illegals, it would take ten years to deport 500 people. This is ridiculous.

He already agreed to deportation to Costa Rica since they guaranteed he wouldn't be transferred to El Salvador.

It's telling that you can't even wrap your head around what's likely a glaring 14th Amendment violation in trying to condition a plea deal in what looks like a sketchy indictment on waiving one's constitutional rights. Have you bothered to read anything from the first hearing?

You should really examine how constitutional your beliefs are if you find due process to be such an inconvenience.

 

[Hog-train]

He already agreed to deportation to Costa Rica since they guaranteed he wouldn't be transferred to El Salvador.

It's telling that you can't even wrap your head around what's likely a glaring 14th Amendment violation in trying to condition a plea deal in what looks like a sketchy indictment on waiving one's constitutional rights. Have you bothered to read anything from the first hearing?

You should really examine how constitutional your beliefs are if you find due process to be such an inconvenience.

No they initially rejected the deal to Costa Rica on the condition that he pleas to his criminal charges. His lawyer said so at the mass protest outside in front of all these cameras. Then he was detained. Subsequently, the administration gave him a 72 hour notice that he will be deported to Uganda (you're required by law to give 72 hour notice of the country you're being deported to.)

Only after they were told this did they all of a sudden change their tune and demand to be sent to Costa Rica. But still not willing to plea to his trafficking charge.

So now what will happen is that he will be prosecuted for that trafficking charge and then serve whatever sentence that is if there is any. Then he will be deported.

Where the hell does he get off thinking he can pick and choose what country he gets deported to? This isn't some game. If every deportee did this, it would be impossible to import 100 people in a year.

And the US would need an agreement with every country in the world to take third party deportations. Obviously not workable.

There's no constitutional right to be deported to the third party country of your choice. How ridiculous.

You also have to remember El Salvador's Maduro already destroyed all the gangs there in 2022. His claims of being afraid of gang activity in El Salavador no longer exist. He can choose to self deport to his home country, but he won't.

His real goal is to muck up the courts, slow down the process and hope public pressure will allow him to stay in the US.

Salvadoran gang crackdown - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[ChrisBenoit]

Costa Rica is too good for that sack of shit

 

[avenue94]

No they initially rejected the deal to Costa Rica on the condition that he pleas to his criminal charges. His lawyer said so at the mass protest outside in front of all these cameras. Then he was detained. Subsequently, the administration gave him a 72 hour notice that he will be deported to Uganda (you're required by law to give 72 hour notice of the country you're being deported to.)

And this is why reading more than social media is important. His lawyer told the court that Costa Rica is an acceptable deportation option.

The judge also gave DOJ an out, here's an exchange from the hearing below.

Xinis: There's been no assurances from Uganda as far as I know that Mr. Abrego would be able to move about freely, not be refouled (sent back) to El Salvador...In contrast to what assurances Costa Rica gave, that's significant. So that demonstrates likelihood of success on merits...Government can right that ship by showing me if Uganda has made those representations of non-refoulement, etc. But at least at this juncture, I have nothing that demonstrates that the government is operating in good faith...

So now what will happen is that he will be prosecuted for that trafficking charge and then serve whatever sentence that is if there is any. Then he will be deported.

The government claims he's guilty, but he is innocent until proven otherwise. Take it to court if you want a conviction for trafficking.

Where the hell does he get off thinking he can pick and choose what country he gets deported to? This isn't some game. If every deportee did this, it would be impossible to import 100 people in a year.

Where does someone who's civil rights were flagrantly violated get off vigorously defending themselves with the due processed the Constitution affirms residents are entitled to? The constitution, duh.

Due process isn't meant to be easy or fast, and most deportees are able to go back to their country of origin.

And the US would need an agreement with every country in the world to take third party deportations. Obviously not workable.

Why not? We have a State Department. Are you telling me we can't find several countries willing to take deportees with the guarantee that they aren't transferred again after that? Come on, have some faith in American power.

Weren't you screaming from the rooftops how we couldn't get this guy back from El Salvador before? You might want to reassess your knowledge of IR after that.

You also have to remember El Salvador's Maduro already destroyed all the gangs there in 2022. His claims of being afraid of gang activity in El Salavador no longer exist. He can choose to self deport to his home country, but he won't.

His real goal is to muck up the courts, slow down the process and hope public pressure will allow him to stay in the US.

Salvadoran gang crackdown - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Lol what utter horseshit. That tinpot dictator actively blocked extradition of gang members to the US because he was afraid they'd spill the beans on his coziness with MS13. Are you going to deny that?

Besides, the government has been very vocal that this guy is a child abuser, human trafficker, etc. Sounds like they got a pretty strong case to be talking so much. Or do you think the DOJ's case is weak?