Social ICE/deportation protests and riots megathread

[Madmick]

But this admin is going hard against legal immigrant.

The distinction is moot when the admin decides who is legal or not

I'll take "Shit that's unrelated to the question I answered" for $1000, Alex.

 

[Rod1]

I'll take "Shit that's unrelated to the question I answered" for $1000, Alex.

Ita not unrelated illegal isnt a real legal term

 

[IDGETKTFO]

Trump just signed an EO , its now illegal to burn the American Flag, mandatory 1 year in Federal prison.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Trump just signed an EO , its now illegal to burn the American Flag, mandatory 1 year in Federal prison.

Seems like a 1st amendment violation.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

Seems like a 1st amendment violation.

Seems like a America first violation to burn our flag.

 

[oldshadow]

Trump just signed an EO , its now illegal to burn the American Flag, mandatory 1 year in Federal prison.

Yea that's not going to stand up in court. Its been decided a while ago.

If its your flag you can do what you want with it.

However there are other charges that can be brought depending on where and when having to do with burning anything.

 

[NickNick]

Seems like a America first violation to burn our flag.

Very on brand for Trump, purely performative nonsense to address a problem that doesn't exist for his base to lap up even though it's clearly unconstitutional and won't stand up.

 

[avenue94]

Because there's a distinction between legal and illegal immigrants. One can simultaneously be pro-immigrant and anti-illegal alien.

Sure, but to pretend that Trump or the modern GOP is pro-legal immigrant is comical and unsupported by their policy proposals.

 

[BFoe]

Seems like a 1st amendment violation.

Seems like an America first violation to burn our flag.

Weird how “America First” doesn’t involve putting the Constitution first.

It’s absolutely a 1st Amendment violation, SCOTUS has already heard and decided this question.

Facts and Case Summary - Texas v. Johnson

Facts Gregory Lee Johnson burned an American flag outside of the convention center where the 1984 Republican National Convention was being held in Dallas, Texas. Johnson burned the flag to protest the policies of President Ronald Reagan. He was arrested and charged with violating a Texas statute...

www.uscourts.gov

 

[Rod1]

I'm a legal immigrant and so are many of my family.

First week Trump dictated an EO that allows government to strip millions of Americans of citizenship because they are kids of illegals.

GTFO with the gaslighting here.

They are not just targeting illegals, they are targeting all immigrants and even citizens

ICE released this Mass. mom with no phone, 30 miles from home in the rain after detainment for a sealed marijuana conviction

Federal authorities refused to tell the Canton woman's husband or lawyer on what grounds she was being detained until shortly before her release.

www.masslive.com

 

[Rod1]

Because there's a distinction between legal and illegal immigrants. One can simultaneously be pro-immigrant and anti-illegal alien.

Sure like Obama admin where there was strict enforcement, but also an attempt to regularize immigration.

Trump admin first course of action was to declare citizens aren't via EO, this isn't the action of a pro-immigrant administration.

 

[Hog-train]

First week Trump dictated an EO that allows government to strip millions of Americans of citizenship because they are kids of illegals.

GTFO with the gaslighting here.

They are not just targeting illegals, they are targeting all immigrants and even citizens

ICE released this Mass. mom with no phone, 30 miles from home in the rain after detainment for a sealed marijuana conviction

Federal authorities refused to tell the Canton woman's husband or lawyer on what grounds she was being detained until shortly before her release.

www.masslive.com

How TF is that gaslighting? I never said I supported that. I don't agree with getting rid of birthright citizenship because it's blatantly unconstitutional.

I do however agree with mass deportations and have zero problems with stripping resident status or green cards for people who have committed crimes or defrauded during the application process. Also have no problems with stripping citizenship if they are found to have lied and defrauded during the naturalization process.

And if you're trying to deport millions of people that came in, so some mistakes will be inevitable. But this lady was released, so WTF is the problem.

 

[Rod1]

And if you're trying to deport millions of people that came in, so some mistakes will be inevitable.

Ok, if you don't have a problem with legal immigrants and citizens getting caught in the crossfire of mass deportations, then that makes you anti-immigration in general not just illegals

But this lady was released, so WTF is the problem.

The problem is that people can't just take a position nowadays, there is nothing wrong with being anti-immigration.

 

[Hog-train]

Ok, if you don't have a problem with legal immigrants and citizens getting caught in the crossfire of mass deportations, then that makes you anti-immigration in general not just illegals

If you committed crimes when you have a green card, the government has every right to strip your residency. That's not anti-immigrant at all.

Try committing crimes at any other country while you're trying to get naturalization. You'll be kicked out ASAP.

You're talking to someone that went through a multi-years long process to get citizenship.

You were probably born here and take citizenship for granted. Having citizenship is a privilege.

The problem is that people can't just take a position nowadays, there is nothing wrong with being anti-immigration.

You can try to (falsely) claim I'm anti-immigrant when all I am is anti illegal immigration.

 

[Rod1]

If you committed crimes when you have a green card, the government has every right to strip your residency. That's not anti-immigrant at all.

If they are digging shit about a 40 years old mom with a green card in order to fill deportation quotas that's being anti-immigrant.

Try committing crimes at any other country while you're trying to get naturalization. You'll be kicked out ASAP.

Most countries don't look on the past of what they see are not problem immigrants or citizens, like for example if a middle aged mom did pot 15 years ago

You're talking to someone that went through a multi-years long process to get citizenship.

You were probably born here and take citizenship for granted. Having citizenship is a privilege.

And?

You can try to (falsely) claim I'm anti-immigrant when all I am is anti illegal immigration.

Do you support increasing the number of legal citizens or making immigration easier?

Im not even pro-immigration myself

 

[Soggust]

If you committed crimes when you have a green card, the government has every right to strip your residency. That's not anti-immigrant at all.

I agree, as long as we are talking about after serving their sentence and documenting in their criminal record.

I don't understand some people's (not saying yours) logic of deporting criminals instead of jailing them, simply because it's cheaper.

To me, that seems to encourage immigrants (especially illegal) to commit crimes knowing they are likely to be deported instead of incarcerated, while giving them potentially a second chance to sneak back in down the road.

 

[Source]

Trump just signed an EO , its now illegal to burn the American Flag, mandatory 1 year in Federal prison.

Just the latest in a long line of Trump’s unconstitutional EOs.

 

[44nutman]

Trump just signed an EO , its now illegal to burn the American Flag, mandatory 1 year in Federal prison.

Trump's severely bruised hand at Oval Office signing sparks serious concerns

Donald Trump's severely bruised hand drew the eye of concerned onlookers during an executive order signing ceremony in the Oval Office on Monday. There was no makeup to conceal it this time

www.themirror.com

Cankles McBruisey Hands trying to distract everyone from seeing his hand bruises .

 

[Hog-train]

If they are digging shit about a 40 years old mom with a green card in order to fill deportation quotas that's being anti-immigrant.

But she wasn't deported. She just got caught up by mistake.

And the fact that someone is a 40 year old or a mom is completely irrelevant if they're illegal (not saying this particular one is illegal) or committed a crime while having a green card.

And?

And you're treating citizenship as if it should be given out willy nilly to illegal immigrants when the legal process is super arduous, time consuming, requires someone to go through tons of hoops and pay money in lawyers and fees. I literally had to wait for more than a decade.

But someone like you wants to just give out residency to someone that just came in illegally 2 years ago. That's fucking bullshit to legal immigrants like me.

You're incentivizing illegal immigration and de-incentivizing the legal way.

Do you support increasing the number of legal citizens or making immigration easier?

Im not even pro-immigration myself

Yes I support more legal pathways for legal residency and citizenship. DACA kids should have an easy and fast path to citizenship. Asylum cases should be quickly adjudicated by hiring many more judges.

If we need seasonal farm workers, there should be a guest worker program where they get fair wages, pay taxes and then they follow up so they have to go home after the temporary visa. As opposed to the norm right now where they hire completely undocumented immigrants who are way underpaid, don't pay taxes and completely taken advantage of.

All the false asylum cases (which 90% of the cases are) need to be decided on quickly and then promptly deported if they don't qualify.

I'd even support a ONE TIME amnesty for illegals with no criminal record who pay taxes and have been here for 8-10 years. But that amnesty bill has to be in conjunction with COMPREHENSIVE immigration reform.

All the other illegals can GTFO.

1.4 million with final deportation orders - GTFO
650K illegals with criminal records - GTFO
The vast majority of the people who came in during the last two years with BS claims - GTFO
Quickly process the 2.4 million asylum cases and deport those who don't qualify. The majority of asylum cases take like 10-15 years to fully process right now. Then a lot of the time, they lose the case, but still don't get deported.

 

[Rod1]

Yes I support more legal pathways for legal residency and citizenship. DACA kids should have an easy and fast path to citizenship. Asylum cases should be quickly adjudicated by hiring many more judges.

If we need seasonal farm workers, there should be a guest worker program where they get fair wages, pay taxes and then they follow up so they have to go home after the temporary visa. As opposed to the norm right now where they hire completely undocumented immigrants who are way underpaid, don't pay taxes and completely taken advantage of.

All the false asylum cases (which 90% of the cases are) need to be decided on quickly and then promptly deported if they don't qualify.

I'd even support a ONE TIME amnesty for illegals with no criminal record who pay taxes and have been here for 8-10 years. But that amnesty bill has to be in conjunction with COMPREHENSIVE immigration reform.

All the other illegals can GTFO.

1.4 million with final deportation orders - GTFO
650K illegals with criminal records - GTFO
The vast majority of the people who came in during the last two years with BS claims - GTFO
Quickly process the 2.4 million asylum cases and deport those who don;t qualify. The majority of asylum cases take like 10-15 years to fully process right now. Then a lot of the times, they lose the cases but still don't get deported.

my bad then, i have similar views as you more strict enforcement but also more legal pathways.