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They were about to deport this guy and then an activist judge blocks the deportation AGAIN. WTF. This MOFO has nine lives.

I don't understand how many times different judges can block his deportation? Is it every federal judge in the country? There are nearly 1,770 authorized judgeships across the U.S. federal court system.

there isn't a criminal alive the left doesn't love.
 
The Supreme Court already ruled people can be deported to third party countries. It's settled law.
Setting this topic aside, it's worth keeping in mind that, practically speaking, there is no law settled beyond the whim of the SC. They're never under any obligation to consider precedent one way or the other. And in the absence of our intended checks and balances (which is where we're at), there is no mechanism to prevent them ruling literally however they want on anything
 
Well I mean that was a pretty good example imo of a criminal the left doesn't like. But guess who does?
so what you're saying is your judiciary is politically captured and right or wrong depend solely on which side it benefits, without any exterior scale of measurement.

now THAT is a concession. it's even accepted.
 
so what you're saying is your judiciary is politically captured and right or wrong depend solely on which side it benefits, without any exterior scale of measurement.

now THAT is a concession. it's even accepted.
"There's not a criminal alive the left doesn't love!"
"Uh here's a very high profile case to the total opposite."
"BOTH SIDES SUCK!" *hog noises*
 
"There's not a criminal alive the left doesn't love!"
"Uh here's a very high profile case to the total opposite."
"BOTH SIDES SUCK!" *hog noises*
LOL @ completely ignoring the FACT that your judicial system is politically captured.

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"There's not a criminal alive the left doesn't love!"
"Uh here's a very high profile case to the total opposite."
"BOTH SIDES SUCK!" *hog noises*
The 2 million Americans in jail? All victims of political capture.

Talk about mapping an Eastern European country's justice system onto the US lol
 
And this is why reading more than social media is important. His lawyer told the court that Costa Rica is an acceptable deportation option.

The judge also gave DOJ an out, here's an exchange from the hearing below.

Bro this was all over the news. Same station as your source - NBC.

They initially REFUSED a plea deal where he pleads guilty and then deported to Costa Rica. Then DHS subsequently gave him the 72 hour notice that he will be sent to Uganda. Only then did his team say they were willing to go to Costa Rica, but still not willing to the plead guilty for human smuggling.

"Abrego refused a plea deal that would have had him plead guilty to the federal smuggling charges against him, serve time and then deport him to Costa Rica, attorney Simon Sandoval-Moshenberg told NBC News."


Xinis: There's been no assurances from Uganda as far as I know that Mr. Abrego would be able to move about freely, not be refouled (sent back) to El Salvador...In contrast to what assurances Costa Rica gave, that's significant. So that demonstrates likelihood of success on merits...Government can right that ship by showing me if Uganda has made those representations of non-refoulement, etc. But at least at this juncture, I have nothing that demonstrates that the government is operating in good faith...

You don't get to pick and choose what third party country you're deported to when you're refusing to go back to your home country. Sorry.

If we applied this standard to the MILLIONS of illegal people in this country, it would be impossible to deport people.

And there is zero proof Uganda will just send him back to El Salvador. His legal team is just making shit up.

The government claims he's guilty, but he is innocent until proven otherwise. Take it to court if you want a conviction for trafficking.

That's exactly what they're going to do and he will serve time. You do realize he got caught red handed right? There is Youtube video of his arrest when he got caught.

Where does someone who's civil rights were flagrantly violated get off vigorously defending themselves with the due processed the Constitution affirms residents are entitled to? The constitution, duh.

Due process isn't meant to be easy or fast, and most deportees are able to go back to their country of origin.

That's the misconception you have because you've been lied to. And his lawyer also just lied in front of the press conference.

He did get his full due process already. Learn the bare facts of the case.

1. In 2011-2012, he came in illegally. He started a relation with his now-wife in 2016.
2. In 2018, Abrego Garcia's wife's ex-husband tried to get custody of their shared children through the courts. In those documents (which you can find online), the ex-husband lists one of the reasons he wants custody is because the woman's (then) BF, Abrego Garcia is a "gang member."
3. In 2019, he got caught by police along with two other MS-13 gang members. He had drugs and rolls of cash. He was subsequently detained for deportation.
4. In March of 2019, an immigration judge said there was enough evidence of his gang affiliation and ordered him deported. It included testimony by other MS-13 gang members. Even though you don't need gang affiliation evidence to deport him in the first place. He's illegal and has no asylum claim or any status.

Court Document of 2019 Deportation Order

5. In June 2019, he married his now wife while in detention hoping it would help keep him stay. She's a US citizen.
6. In the same year, he appealed the decision, but that failed and another judge ordered him deported for the second time. THIS IS HIS FULL DUE PROCESS in any normal circumstance. Decision - appeal.

Court Document of Appeal Decision by Second Judge

7. He applied for asylum to try to stay, but that was rejected because you need to apply for asylum within one year of entering the country according to law.
8. Then in a Hail Mary last ditch effort, he applied for a withholding of removal to El Salvador and this was granted by a sympathetic judge.

In his application, his lawyers contend that he fled El Salvador to escape gang violence from MS-13's rival, Barrio-18. Why the fuck would he be afraid of gang retaliation from Barrio-18 unless he was in the rival MS-13 gang?

Court Document of Withholding of Removal

Only later did he change the story to some obvious BS that gang members were going after his family's street cart pupusa business. If you know what a pupusa is, it's just a simple flat piece of bread you heat up on a grill.

Barrio-18 was terrorizing his family so much about a street vendor cart, he HAD to get asylum all the way in the US? LMAO GTFO.

9. Keep in mind, he still has an active deportation order which he got FULL DUE PROCESS for. Only that he can't the withholding just says he can't be sent to El Salvador. Then he's in limbo for a bit because the US government doesn't have a country they can deport him to so they release him for now
10. After he gets out, he beats his wife in at least 5 different occasions across 2 years. His wife gets 2 protective custody orders in 2020 and 2021 against him with details of how he beat her - including audio tape of her describing the events and a written account of it too. You can find both of these on the net. Official court papers.
11. In 2022, this motherfucker gets stopped AGAIN caught smuggling people in a van. He gets detained because his driver's license was expired and also had a note to inform federal officers of his alleged affiliation with MS-13.

So he DID get full due process. In 2019. By two judges.

This entire time, he still had a final deportation order that was already appealed and finished. It's just the US needed a place they could deport him to and the government's willingness to do it. Biden's DHS just ignored millions of final deportation orders while he was in office. There are 1.4 million illegals with FINAL deportation orders in this country.

This final last gasp is just an activist judge interfering due to POLITICAL reasons and not a normal part of the immigration due process AT ALL.

Why not? We have a State Department. Are you telling me we can't find several countries willing to take deportees with the guarantee that they aren't transferred again after that? Come on, have some faith in American power.

Are you fucking kidding me? Why the fuck would other countries want to take in our deportees? They're a pain in the ass and costs tons of money and some are criminals. We had to give Uganda concessions to get them to accept our deportees.

Lol what utter horseshit. That tinpot dictator actively blocked extradition of gang members to the US because he was afraid they'd spill the beans on his coziness with MS13. Are you going to deny that?

Besides, the government has been very vocal that this guy is a child abuser, human trafficker, etc. Sounds like they got a pretty strong case to be talking so much. Or do you think the DOJ's case is weak?

You're either severely misinformed or full of shit. A whopping 91% supported the government's actions, including 78% who "very much" supported them in an April 2022 Gallup poll.
Leaders of many other Latin American countries praised the crackdown including Ecuador, Colombia, Peru, Honduras, Argentina Guatemala and Mexico. Some have promised similar crackdowns and have started to implement them.

There are literal civilian groups rallying for similar policies to be instituted in their countries. Plenty of info about it on the wiki page.

On top of that, the original gang (Barrio-18) he claimed was persecuting him for a flat bread pupusa street cart (LMAO) is almost non-existent in the country now. The vast majority have been arrested in the crackdown. So he no longer has a reason to fear El Salvador.

 
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Bro this was all over the news. Same station as your source - NBC.

They initially REFUSED a plea deal where he pleads guilty and then deported to Costa Rica. Then DHS subsequently gave him the 72 hour notice that he will be sent to Uganda. Only then did his team say they were willing to go to Costa Rica, but still not willing to the guilty plea for human smuggling.

"Abrego refused a plea deal that would have had him plead guilty to the federal smuggling charges against him, serve time and then deport him to Costa Rica, attorney Simon Sandoval-Moshenberg told NBC News."

Why are you having trouble understanding why he won't plead guilty to something he presumably feels he isn't guilty of?
You don't get to pick and choose what third party country you're deported to when you're refusing to go back to your home country. Sorry.

If we applied this standard to the MILLIONS of illegal people in this country, it would be impossible to deport people.

And there is zero proof Uganda will just send him back to El Salvador. His legal team is just making shit up.
Kind of hard to argue that he has no reason to fear duplicity after we violated his civil rights and tossed him in a shithole prison, don't you think?
That's exactly what they're going to do and he will serve time. You do realize he got caught red handed right? There is Youtube video of his arrest when he got caught.
Sounds like a layup for the prosecution then. Why not just move to trial and get a conviction then?
So he DID get full due process. In 2019. By two judges.

This entire time, he still had a final deportation order that was already appealed and finished. It's just the US needed a place they could deport him to and the government's willingness to do it. Biden's DHS just ignored millions of final deportation orders while he was in office. There are 1.4 million illegals with FINAL deportation orders in this country.

This final last gasp is just an activist judge interfering due to POLITICAL reasons and not a normal part of the immigration due process AT ALL.
That you think the abnormal part of this entire ordeal is a judge reviewing a legally fraught situation, as opposed to Trump blatantly ignoring the constitution and then stonewalling courts is peak brain rot. It's rich that you cry so much about how you earned your citizenship but have no respect for the constitution.

The TRO is rather short, if the government's case is strong they should be able to keep moving along just fine. At worst, the Supreme Court would rule on a dispute within the next year.
You're either severely misinformed or full of shit. A whopping 91% supported the government's actions, including 78% who "very much" supported them in an April 2022 Gallup poll.
Leaders of many other Latin American countries praised the crackdown including Ecuador, Colombia, Peru. Honduras, Argentina Guatemala and Mexico. Some have promised similar crackdowns and have started to implement them.

There are literal civilian groups rallying for similar policies to be instituted in their countries. Plenty of info about it on the wiki page.

On top of that, the original gang (Barrio-18) he claimed was persecuting him for a flat bread pupusa street cart (LMAO) is almost non-existent in the country now. The vast majority have been arrested in the crackdown. So he no longer has a reason to fear El Salvador.

Where did I comment on the popularity of said wannabe dictator's policies?

And if he has no reason to fear anymore, the government is free to make that argument in court. Process and institutions exist for a reason.

Bukele is just latest in a long line of South American leaders who've tightened their grip on power with US backing. Some of his policies have been beneficial, but he's as corrupt and undemocratic as any number of others.

Care to comment on why your anti-gang crusader blocked the extradition of MS13 criminals to the US?
 
Why are you having trouble understanding why he won't plead guilty to something he presumably feels he isn't guilty of?

You were portraying it like Abrego's team was willing to do Costa Rica deportation, but DHS was unreasonable. But deportation to Costa Rica alone was never on the table.

Kind of hard to argue that he has no reason to fear duplicity after we violated his civil rights and tossed him in a shithole prison, don't you think?

We're not in control of Uganda. Once he's there, that's up to them.

Sounds like a layup for the prosecution then. Why not just move to trial and get a conviction then?

Government prosecution typically always tries to get a plea deal due to expense of a trial. This is universally almost always the case.

That you think the abnormal part of this entire ordeal is a judge reviewing a legally fraught situation, as opposed to Trump blatantly ignoring the constitution and then stonewalling courts is peak brain rot. It's rich that you cry so much about how you earned your citizenship but have no respect for the constitution.

You keep saying they ignored the Constitution but can't name specifically how that happened.

The TRO is rather short, if the government's case is strong they should be able to keep moving along just fine. At worst, the Supreme Court would rule on a dispute within the next year.

I'm sick of hearing about this guy that should have been deported 10 years ago. We literally just spent millions of dollars already on this one fucktard that has zero right to be here.

He is definitely a wife beater. He is definitely illegal with no status - not even an asylum claim. Definitely got arrested with drugs and rolls of cash while being with 2 MS-13 members at initial arrest.

And almost certainly MS-13 based on the multiple times he was connected to them - ex-wife's husband naming him as a gang member a year before his arrest in court documents, his initial arrest with MS-13 members, his initial claim that he was afraid of MS-13 rival, Barrio-18, tattoos all over his knuckles, testimony by known MS-13 members that he was MS-13 as well, etc.

Yea pretty fucking sure he's MS-13 then. I DGAF WTF happens to him. He's a wife beater, illegal and almost certainly a gang member. Fuck this guy. Enough money was spent on him. GTFO.

Where did I comment on the popularity of said wannabe dictator's policies?

You cast doubt as "utter bullshit" when I mentioned the gang crackdown in El Salvador and how Barrio-18 is pretty much a non threat now. Uhmm the gang crackdown in El Salvador is real and well documented.

And if he has no reason to fear anymore, the government is free to make that argument in court. Process and institutions exist for a reason.

No they don't need to make that argument in court. Not according to existing law that is. Because the Supreme Court already ruled people can be deported to a third country.

There's no statute that says "You can only be deported to a third party country if you get a guarantee they won't send them to their home country."

Show me that law. There's no statute that says that. And deportations have always been under the sole discretion of the executive branch.

Bukele is just latest in a long line of South American leaders who've tightened their grip on power with US backing. Some of his policies have been beneficial, but he's as corrupt and undemocratic as any number of others.

Care to comment on why your anti-gang crusader blocked the extradition of MS13 criminals to the US?

I don't know why they did that and that's completely irrelevant.

His crackdown is only relevant to this story because Abrego Garcia said he's afraid of Barrio-18 persecution. Well Barrio-18 is basically defunct now.

Nothing to fear of Barrio-18 if he went back as a civilian. Even though that pupusa story was obvious bullshit to begin with.
 
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