Social How a Gen Z gender divide is reshaping democracy

[SKYNET]

Well.....You could not be more wrong about the age gap in marriages. The age gap between men and women in marriages is the lowest it's been (2.2 years) in all of American History.

Because men and women are choosing to settle down and raise families later, no argument here. Men in their 20's (with less resources vs older men who have been in the workforce longer) are waiting longer because they have fewer options and are generally not able to compete with older men and the data from the dating apps back this up. Conversely following the same time line, women are out having fun in their 20's and are only choosing to settle down in their 30's because this is the point that they run out of options.

I agree with your data point.

Both men and women are waiting longer to marry....and thus start a family. The average for men is 30.2 and 28.4 for women (compared to 26 and 22 in 1925)

Ironically the biggest factor forcing women (and men) back into traditional roles....and believe it or not the % is starting to creep up...... is the high cost of childcare. 18% of all 'traditional' households now have men as the stay at home parent. That's an enormous increase. The more childcare increases, the more it will make sense for 1 of the 2 working parents (whoever makes less) transition back into the home.

Nothing to argue here other than, women staying home and raising a family is always going to be the best outcome for everyone involved. Financially it makes sense for the parents and I would add children in families that remain intact with stay at home mothers do better on average in school vs mothers and fathers who choose to be career moms and dads where children are spending more time with strangers in daycares and afterschool programs.

 

[ermac88]

Thanks for the gay pics.

LOL!
Was wondering what these swole Koreans had to with the topic.

Impressive physiques nonetheless, natty, or otherwise.

 

[cooks1]

I can think of nothing worse that having a woman that doesn't respect you. That's the cuck... that's the Beta Male low T Leftist male.

On that we agree. That's just fucking awful. I've had some good friends end up like that (ironically most of them dumped their perfectly serviceable first wives and went younger) and it's gut wrenching to see what it does to them. But even you must acknowledge that respect is a 2-Way street, and women are disrespected FAR more. Even now. And that is equally awful. Domestic abuse is most definitely not going down.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

I'm not giving you my hypothetical, the dating app numbers are just the best set of data we have to go off. Younger gens are not hooking up in bars or clubs, they primarily use dating apps.

You seem to want to appeal to a hypothetical here. I would venture to proclaim that these younger men that are staying off dating apps does not add up to the same cross section of men generally having more courage. Not quite a logical nor substantive position to take.

It's just based on what I observe in the wild so to speak. I see plenty of couples that are the same age and I would say I see more couples that are around the same age than couples where there's a significant age gap. If the data says they're not meeting on dating apps then the dudes must be approaching the girls elsewhere.

 

[ermac88]

Young people claiming to be victims isn’t just an American thing? Good to know

I get the feeling this is going to become more pervasive everywhere.


Wealth disparity, increasing costs, AI, so-called social media and the effects of capitalism are going to shift society in a way I dont think anyone is prepared for, nor particularly wants at this trajectory.

Notions of conservationism vs progressive may dissolve in the ensuing challenged younger people are going to face

 

[Hellowhosthat]

If I was a young man today, I would not date Woke women. Fuck that.

I said my son likes the Latinas. You made some real assumptions and perhaps racists remarks and don't even realize it from your Leftist bubble. You think Latinas in SoCal are not empowered? The difference is that they were raised to actually respect their fathers and men, not to bow down to them. It seems these Leftist woke weirdos women have Daddy issues. No thanks.

I can think of nothing worse that having a woman that doesn't respect you. That's the cuck... that's the Beta Male low T Leftist male.

I think there's a difference between respect and expecting the woman to be subservient to the man that's important to recognise.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

If they're lucky. Nature isn't all that kind to women who wait too long. They literally have prime years to give birth, before it can get complicated, and it ain't their 30's or 40's. It's a gamble to wait too long to try and have kids. That's another thing that I think will naturally come back around, just due to certain biological realties that feminists can't handwave away.

Probably not 40s but most career women would have kids before then. It's generally a case of establishing a career then going on maternity leave them going back. I haven't done any research but I would guess the average age for a woman having a kid is probably around 30.

 

[SKYNET]

It's just based on what I observe in the wild so to speak.

I understand your perspective, and in some cases you may be correct about having more courage, I just don't see this as the answer to why young men arent as successful as young women in todays hookup culture.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Looking at all the shit going on out there I'm very glad I'm old and do not have to deal with it.

My advice to the young guys. Dont get married and don't have kids especially when you are in your 20 and mid 30s. Hell not even then. Having a live in girlfriend is fine but better is just short term relationships.

The odds of having your life ruined are far too great.

Short term rent or lease is the way to go unless you stumble on the right one but even then you are rolling the dice that are loaded against you.

This is gay advice. I'm not with the mother of my child anymore but I have a great relationship with my child, have joint custody of her and wouldn't change anything for the world.

 

[cooks1]

It's just based on what I observe in the wild so to speak. I see plenty of couples that are the same age and I would say I see more couples that are around the same age than couples where there's a significant age gap. If the data says they're not meeting on dating apps then the dudes must be approaching the girls elsewhere.

You are right. The age gap in marriages is the lowest ever. In all of American history.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

I understand your perspective, and in some cases you may be correct about having more courage, I just don't see this as the answer to why young men arent as successful as young women in todays hookup culture.

Do we have data of how many dudes are on the sites compared to women? If it's 50/50 I agree it's strange but if there's more dudes on the sites in the first place then that suggests to me they need to go and talk to a girl in a bar.

 

[SKYNET]

Do we have data of how many dudes are on the sites compared to women? If it's 50/50 I agree it's strange but if there's more dudes on the sites in the first place then that suggests to me they need to go and talk to a girl in a bar.

Not sure of those breakdowns but I'm fairly certain of the data regarding the outcomes. If anything I would guess fewer men than women use the apps today primarily due to the success rates.

 

[oldshadow]

This is gay advice. I'm not with the mother of my child anymore but I have a great relationship with my child, have joint custody of her and wouldn't change anything for the world.

You got lucky. Most guys get taken to the cleaners with child support.

It's good you have a good relationship with your child and she let's you see the child.

You are not the rule but the exception.

 

[Koro_11]

I see it with my son and the young guys around 20-25. They are looking for import girls as the American girls are too Woke for them. My son really likes the Latinas... who can blame him? I told him when the Russia / Ukraine War, they'll have a lot of women to choose from and the Americans can be ugly woke cat ladies that vote Democrat, but at least they won't reproduce.

Latinas are a good choice, much better than spoiled North American girls.

I was in my 30's dating women my age, racking up a high body count probably with women who mostly had a high body count themselves. I would find myself on dates with 30+ year old women who had already wasted their best years yet still "figuring it out" and using gay slogans like yolo and laugh love live, etc... some divorced, some with children, all with some degree of girl power mentality.

In the end I found a Latina in her early 20's, in the prime of her youth with clear goals of wanting children and a family and looking for a decent mature guy who can help her raise them, and never looked back.

I know there are still some decent gringas here and there, but you're not likely to find those on dating apps or bars and clubs, most of those girls marry their high school or college sweethearts so the average guy in his 30's has already missed the boat.

I honestly pity the single men in America today, most are either male feminist simps or they're consuming bullshit like Andrew Tate and have a very dark view of the world.

 

[Stoic1]

I know I am a minority in my perspective but agency was too much for western women. Every society throughout the history of our species has put restrictions on women. Their emotional tendencies override the rational requirements. While it is en vogue to bash on toxic masculinity we are oddly silent on the lack of accountability for women.

 

[Mujeriego]

No. Average and above average men with above average pay and above average looks feel worthless now in the west. Not ugly not poor. Not even average.

Women's criteria's for a companion from millennial to gen Z are completely delusional.

I've seen a video of young women with very average looks and no education say they won't date anyone who doesn't make at least 100k a year or who isn't at least 6 foot or who doesn't give her an allowance of this and that much. And that it's the very bare minimum in their eyes.

Watching Youtube shorts of little goofballs interviewing random women isnt a good representative of women.

Its like when Jay Leno use to ask people on a street in Burbank "Can you point out America on a map" and they point at Europe and going "Everyone in America is dumb." because of that one person. They asked 50 people prior to that and got one to play their "game" and they put that on the show.

 

[Satur9]

You got lucky. Most guys get taken to the cleaners with child support.

It's good you have a good relationship with your child and she let's you see the child.

You are not the rule but the exception.

It is turning around slightly, so hopefully this won't be an issue for too much longer.
Have several friends who got custody and cs from the mom. Granted, they were actually really shitty parents(mother), and they(father) had the receipts, but it is happening more and more often. Got to take the dubs wherever you can.
The father actually has to fight though, and we see many fathers often just accept their plight without mounting as much of an offense as they can. Of course that doesn't mean they will find success, but it is not uncommon to see guys just go with it in divorce proceedings.

Truly think if they reformed some of the laws, it would better balance out how things are in the dating world for the younger generation.

 

[cooks1]

Latinas are a good choice, much better than spoiled North American girls.

I was in my 30's dating women my age, racking up a high body count probably with women who mostly had a high body count themselves. I would find myself on dates with 30+ year old women who had already wasted their best years yet still "figuring it out" and using gay slogans like yolo and laugh love live, etc... some divorced, some with children, all with some degree of girl power mentality.

In the end I found a Latina in her early 20's, in the prime of her youth with clear goals of wanting children and a family and looking for a decent mature guy who can help her raise them, and never looked back.

I know there are still some decent gringas here and there, but you're not likely to find those on dating apps or bars and clubs, most of those girls marry their high school or college sweethearts so the average guy in his 30's has already missed the boat.

I honestly pity the single men in America today, most are either male feminist simps or they're consuming bullshit like Andrew Tate and have a very dark view of the world.

It's funny to see you mention Andrew Tate in that context. 65% of what you say is right out of his playbook.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Not sure of those breakdowns but I'm fairly certain of the data regarding the outcomes. If anything I would guess fewer men than women use the apps today primarily due to the success rates.

I think those sites have a big bot problem too with accounts trying to get dudes to join onlyfans etc.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

You got lucky. Most guys get taken to the cleaners with child support.

It's good you have a good relationship with your child and she let's you see the child.

You are not the rule but the exception.

I don't think I'm the exception. I do pay child support but she also buys stuff she needs for school etc so it's all good. I would say the majority of the people I know who have split with the mother of their child get to see the kids regularly although of course some women will use the kids as a weapon but I think a lot of that comes down to selection. Even though I'm not with my ex if she was a cunt I wouldn't have been with her in the first place.