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[Koro_11]

I think that is the clarifying statement. It's(promiscuity) not good for either, but, one side doesn't care about it nearly as much. So why should I be upset for them?? That doesn't make sense.

It absolutely has great negative effects for both sides. I know that for a fact. Guys might not show it immediately, but it does when you notice those man-whores cannot hold down a stable relationship and constantly view females as less than.

Extreme promiscuity is definitely not good for either, but say a 30-year-old man has had a dozen sexual partners, so nothing extreme, that would not bring his status down at all, and most women would probably prefer something in that ballpark and wouldn’t even have a problem if it was a bit more than that.

Most decent men on the other hand wouldn’t mind if the woman was an outright virgin, and would consider anything more than one or two previous partners as too much.

 

[Koro_11]

No because a man has a physical advantage in that situation compared to a woman.

However if they had a gun then I would say it'd be fair for either one to go, sure.

What about income? Females are empowered now, right? Boss girls out in the workforce? So why the expectation that the man is earning more? Is that fair?

 

[Hellowhosthat]

What about income? Females are empowered now, right? Boss girls out in the workforce? So why the expectation that the man is earning more? Is that fair?

No.

 

[SKYNET]

I understand the reasons. The question is is it fair or not? Is it part of the reason why men are whinging and moaning about how difficult it is out there nowadays?

If it is difficult out there nowadays then surely the dudes sleeping with multiple women are a large part of the problem?

Men are moaning for good reason. Young women have greater success on dating apps vs young men who are well below their level. This has shifted the balance you seem to want to claim is still at equilibrium.

My point is working class males who drive F150s arent competing for the same quality of women as they were 20-30 years ago. Meanwhile rich daddys young princes are bagging and tagging much easier today with their Range Rovers and Mercedez Benz. The data is there, women in their 20's are not giving up their body counts to the working class. This is no longer the reality, women will have you believe they want humor and loyalty in a man but always select the highest financially stable option. This is a fact.

 

[White Whale]

The yellow vest movement that started in France spread around the world. The Dutch farmer protest that spread to other countries. Donald Trump winning the popular vote and right wing populist parties gaining power shows the working class which is primarily men believe they are getting screwed and young men starting in those jobs are especially feeling it.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Men are moaning for good reason. Young women have greater success on dating apps vs young men who are well below their level. This has shifted the balance you seem to want to claim is still at equilibrium.

My point is working class males who drive F150s arent competing for the same quality of women as they were 20-30 years ago. Meanwhile rich daddys young princes are bagging and tagging much easier today with their Range Rovers and Mercedez Benz. The data is there, women in their 20's are not giving up their body counts to the working class. This is no longer the reality, women will have you believe they want humor and loyalty in a man but always select the highest financially stable option. This is a fact.

So who's really the cause of this? Is it the older men leaving their stable relationships to take younger girls and taking them away from the younger generation and leaving some without partners? Doesn't seem like something we can pin on one sex.

 

[Satur9]

Extreme promiscuity is definitely not good for either, but say a 30-year-old man has had a dozen sexual partners, so nothing extreme, that would not bring his status down at all, and most women would probably prefer something in that ballpark and wouldn’t even have a problem if it was a bit more than that.

Most decent men on the other hand wouldn’t mind if the woman was an outright virgin, and would consider anything more than one or two previous partners as too much.

Sure, the status is there, but the internals are still rotten. He will also find it hard to settle down, and constantly have that wondering eye. He can have status and be a broken man on the inside.

Also, depending on the age, I don't think a man should be looking for a virgin or someone with just a guy or two in their history. That is a bridge too far imho. Unless you are some hyper-religious guy with zero history yourself. Especially at 30... I mean wtf does someone expect of another by age 30??? Looking for nuns?

 

[SKYNET]

Extreme promiscuity is definitely not good for either, but say a 30-year-old man has had a dozen sexual partners, so nothing extreme, that would not bring his status down at all, and most women would probably prefer something in that ballpark and wouldn’t even have a problem if it was a bit more than that.

Most decent men on the other hand wouldn’t mind if the woman was an outright virgin, and would consider anything more than one or two previous partners as too much.

Female virgins are prized historically across many cultures and religions. I wonder why?

 

[Koro_11]

Sure, the status is there, but the internals are still rotten. He will also find it hard to settle down, and constantly have that wondering eye. He can have status and be a broken man on the inside.

Also, depending on the age, I don't think a man should be looking for a virgin or someone with just a guy or two in their history. That is a bridge too far imho. Unless you are some hyper-religious guy with zero history yourself. Especially at 30... I mean wtf does someone expect of another by age 30??? Looking for nuns?

No, on the contrary, I hope this doesn’t come across as me boasting about my sexual conquest, but I’ve had what most would consider way too many sexual partners before I got married. Instead of having that wandering eye,I find that I’m just completely content with my wife because I got it all out of my system, and I already know that changing sexual partners will not lead to happiness. We are together for 10 years now and I’ve never cheated.

Call it hypocritical, but I myself wanted a woman with very few sexual partners, the least amount possible. I ended up marrying a woman who is much much younger than me and we both got what we wanted. She wanted experience, stability and maturity, and I wanted a beautiful young fertile woman that could give me healthy offspring, win-win.

Men and women are very different and we want different things.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

No, on the contrary, I hope this doesn’t come across as me boasting about my sexual conquest, but I’ve had what most would consider way too many sexual partners before I got married. Instead of having that wandering eye,I find that I’m just completely content with my wife because I got it all out of my system, and I already know that changing sexual partners will not lead to happiness. We are together for 10 years now and I’ve never cheated.

Call it hypocritical, but I myself wanted a woman with very few sexual partners, the least amount possible. I ended up marrying a woman who is much much younger than me and we both got what we wanted. She wanted experience, stability and maturity, and I wanted a beautiful young fertile woman that could give me healthy offspring, win-win.

Men and women are very different and we want different things.

It is hypocritical. As long as you recognise that then it's fine.

 

[SKYNET]

So who's really the cause of this? Is it the older men leaving their stable relationships to take younger girls and taking them away from the younger generation and leaving some without partners? Doesn't seem like something we can pin on one sex.

Older men taking young women away from the young men is not the crux of my position. Older men typically have garnered more resources than a young man fresh out of school, therefore older men typically choose a younger partner regardless of what her financial status is and with less sexual experience. This correlates with the evidence that shows younger women choose older men by default, by virtue of older men on average having more access to wealth.

When young women choose career and sexual experiences with multiple partners over trad wife roles, this causes the imbalance and younger working class men are being left behind particularly when the deepest available pool of women is in their 30's who have high body counts and less time to raise a healthy family.

 

[Satur9]

No, on the contrary, I hope this doesn’t come across as me boasting about my sexual conquest, but I’ve had what most would consider way too many sexual partners before I got married. Instead of having that wandering eye,I find that I’m just completely content with my wife because I got it all out of my system, and I already know that changing sexual partners will not lead to happiness. We are together for 10 years now and I’ve never cheated.

Call it hypocritical, but I myself wanted a woman with very few sexual partners, the least amount possible. I ended up marrying a woman who was much much younger than me and we both got what we wanted. She wanted experience, stability and maturity, and I wanted a beautiful young fertile woman that could give me healthy offspring, win-win.

Men and women are very different and we want different things.

That is definitely not what I have seen more often than not, but, I am glad for you and yours that it happened for you.
I don't mind talking about that, as I did the same growing up, but it messed me up more than helped, and I see that a lot in other whores of the male variety.

If you are marrying a younger lady, then I can see it. If you are looking at 30+ for a woman around your own age, then wanting to find someone with one or two bodies is extreme. People are not on standby waiting to be picked. I mean, you got to live life.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Older men taking young women away from the young men is not the crux of my position. Older men typically have garnered more resources than a young man fresh out of school, therefore older men typically choose a younger partner regardless of what her financial status is and with less sexual experience. This correlates with the evidence that shows younger women choose older men by default, by virtue of older men on average having more access to wealth.

When young women choose career and sexual experiences with multiple partners over trad wife roles, this causes the imbalance and younger working class men are being left behind particularly when the deepest available pool of women is in their 30's who have high body counts and less time to raise a healthy family.

It is what it is. If a woman wants a career then I don't think we can really discourage that. I'm certainly not going to encourage my daughter to get married and start pumping out kids at 18 if she wants to be an engineer or something.

Plenty of women have careers and are married to people their own age. Maybe not in the US, idk.

 

[cooks1]

You are correct.

@Hellowhosthat Women may not be trying to "be like men" per se, but we are seeing a trend which started with millenial females and is only growing with gen z and alpha, where the overwhelming majority of young females are placing greater value on their careers, finances and general carousing (upping their body counts) in their 20's and early 30's wheras in the past, young women were choosing more natural roles like being stay at home wives and mothers.

The curve coincidentally started to shift as feminist propaganda spread through the west over the past 30-40 years. There are other factors involved for sure but I believe Koro is on point here, in regards to the topic and how Hellowhoisthat loves to be a contrarian

I think if you drill down and take a closer look, you will find that women's behavior changed after their choices and options changed. Very shortly after they started getting equal educational and work opportunities to men, they started making choices in a similar fashion to men. This should come a a surprise to absolutely no one.

And if you look back at the time when women were largely choosing their 'natural role' to be wives and mothers, you will find that the alternatives to being wives and mothers were very bleak indeed.

The problem men have now is that they can't seem to convince women to be wives and mothers unless the alternative to that is bleak. They can't do it on the merits. And that should come as surprise to.......again.....absolutely no one. How willingly are men embracing the role of house husbands and fathers? Terribly of course.

To have any chance of getting women to once again embrace wife and mother roles when they have other good options, men first off need to truly value that contribution. We didn't then and we still don't now. We are largely just pissy that we lost our control levers when women started getting real opportunities and choices.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

That is definitely not what I have seen more often than not, but, I am glad for you and yours that it happened for you.
I don't mind talking about that, as I did the same growing up, but it messed me up more than helped, and I see that a lot in other whores of the male variety.

If you are marrying a younger lady, then I can see it. If you are looking at 30+ for a woman around your own age, then wanting to find someone with one or two bodies is extreme. People are not on standby waiting to be picked. I mean, you got to live life.

@Koro_11 just doesn't want to admit he used to be a slut lol.

 

[Koro_11]

It is hypocritical. As long as you recognise that then it's fine.

No more hypocritical than her expecting me to be the main breadwinner with her, not even making a fraction of the contribution financially.

Men and women are different and have different expectations of each other. And that’s a good thing.

 

[Koro_11]

@Koro_11 just doesn't want to admit he used to be a slut lol.

It’s not a slut when a man does it.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

It’s not a slut when a man does it.

Agree to disagree you whore.

 

[Satur9]

@Koro_11 just doesn't want to admit he used to be a slut lol.

I think he did lol. Most guys love to brag about that, and there is good reason. It is hard for a guy to get laid. Takes effort. For the most part... Certain people don't have to work at all, but that eventually stops, and is rare.

 

[cooks1]

I see it with my son and the young guys around 20-25. They are looking for import girls as the American girls are too Woke for them. My son really likes the Latinas... who can blame him? I told him when the Russia / Ukraine War, they'll have a lot of women to choose from and the Americans can be ugly woke cat ladies that vote Democrat, but at least they won't reproduce.

Of course your son loves the Latinas. Men can't convince American women with the same choices as them to bend the knee, so they will go look in places where women are still marginalized (Latin Countries, Muslim Countries, India, some places in Eastern Europe). Without the same choices and opportunities as American women, being a mother and housewife to a middle class American man is far less bleak than the alternative. Just like 'the good ole days'. Until of course those women also get more choice and opportunity. Then it's on to the next place.

Failing to win over American women on equal footing, and not even really wanting to try, American men instead go and look for women with less choice.....I can think of nothing more pussy or beta.