Social How a Gen Z gender divide is reshaping democracy

[SKYNET]

The problem men have now is that they can't seem to convince women to be wives and mothers unless the alternative to that is bleak. They can't do it on the merits. And that should come as surprise to.......again.....absolutely no one. How willingly are men embracing the role of house husbands and fathers? Terribly of course.

To have any chance of getting women to once again embrace wife and mother roles when they have other good options, men first off need to truly value that contribution. We didn't then and we still don't now. We are largely just pissy that we lost our control levers when women started getting real opportunities and choices.

Mens roles historically have nothing to do with staying home and raising a family and for good reason. Men have no reason to value a career woman with higher body counts in their 30's. This is just a feminist perspective created by feminists.

Women on average aren't taking mens jobs away. Women have joined the work force generally in administrative or managerial roles rather than roles society calls for men to handle. Men still do the overwhelming majority of jobs women arent capable of. No matter how many women leave their natural roles as mother and homemaker they aren't working on oil rigs or hauling lumber for example, at a higher rate now than at any point in modern industrial society.

Men are still seeking women for traditional means and have less than zero interest in a womans career or sexual proclivity whereas women by and large have shifted the balance and are only choosing to settle down well after their prime years have passed in terms of the traditional and natural roles

 

[Darkballs]

Women's criteria's for a companion from millennial to gen Z are completely delusional.

I've seen a video of young women with very average looks and no education say they won't date anyone who doesn't make at least 100k a year or who isn't at least 6 foot or who doesn't give her an allowance of this and that much. And that it's the very bare minimum in their eyes.

Then go speak to real women. The dumb shit you see on the internet isn't representative. If you can't find a girl, it's on you, not because all of them secretly want ::insert incel excuse for not getting laid::.

 

[MichiganMMA1978]

Apparently as long as you feel strongly enough about it, you can be a victim too!

I am 1% western Bantu peoples and like 3% Native American so…. Yeah, I’m in

 

[Satur9]

Mens roles historically have nothing to do with staying home and raising a family and for good reason. Men have no reason to value a career woman with higher body counts in their 30's. This is just a feminist perspective created by feminists.

Women on average aren't taking mens jobs away. Women have joined the work force generally in administrative or managerial roles rather than roles society calls for men to handle. Men still do the overwhelming majority of jobs women arent capable of. No matter how many women leave their natural roles as mother and homemaker they aren't working on oil rigs or hauling lumber for example, at a higher rate now than at any point in modern industrial society.

Men are still seeking women for traditional means and have less than zero interest in a womans career or sexual proclivity whereas women by and large have shifted the balance and are only choosing to settle down well after their prime years have passed in terms of the traditional and natural roles

Hogwash. Everything is on equal footing now... lol.

Women are still looking for traditional roles too, but, only in men. You don't get cooked for anymore, but you still need to provide and die for me. Sounds like a great proposal! Just get rid of all norms then and be done with it. This tit-for-tat shit isn't working out. Everyone is just left angry and bruised, and blaming the "other".

 

[cooks1]

Mens roles historically have nothing to do with staying home and raising a family and for good reason. Men have no reason to value a career woman with higher body counts in their 30's. This is just a feminist perspective created by feminists.

Women on average aren't taking mens jobs away. Women have joined the work force generally in administrative or managerial roles rather than roles society calls for men to handle. Men still do the overwhelming majority of jobs women arent capable of. No matter how many women leave their natural roles as mother and homemaker they aren't working on oil rigs or hauling lumber for example, at a higher rate now than at any point in modern industrial society.

Men are still seeking women for traditional means and have less than zero interest in a womans career or sexual proclivity whereas women by and large have shifted the balance and are only choosing to settle down well after their prime years have passed in terms of the traditional and natural roles

Women aren't focusing on careers and dick counts to attract men. They are doing it because it's a lot more fun than being a housewife and mother. If they could have done it 100 years ago they would have. But they didn't have the opportunities, had only just got the vote, and still had to have their Dad or husband cosign for a loan or even a fucking credit card.

The question men have not even asked themselves yet, much less begun to answer, is how do we get women to take on the traditional roles because they want to, not because they have to.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

So is Islam and Orthodox Christianity become more popular with Gen Z men now?

Yes. ironically all the hysterics about 'This is the Handmaids Tale!!!1!!' might be exactly what ends up making the Handmaid's Tale happen.

 

[SKYNET]

Women aren't focusing on careers and dick counts to attract men. They are doing it because it's a lot more fun than being a housewife and mother. If they could have done it 100 years ago they would have. But they didn't have the opportunities, had only just got the vote, and still had to have their Dad or husband cosign for a loan or even a fucking credit card.

If they could have done it 100 years ago (before the rise of feminism) they would have and I would argue it likely would have had a negative effect on modern industrial society which relied upon women staying home raising families while men provided and went off and fought wars.

Meanwhile today, men in their 30's are not selecting women of the same age range, they are going for females in their 20's with lower body counts and this correlates with young women going for older men who generally have more access to wealth.

Young female gens are out having fun in their 20's instead of raising families and being homemakers which is not great entertainment (boo hoo, having to stay home and not punch a clock) then they are showing up on social media in their mid 30's early 40's divorced and/or single, upset at men because the highest value men they prefer are not choosing them. Men are not straying from the historically traditional and natural roles as provider, women are however, because girls just want to have fun.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Women aren't focusing on careers and dick counts to attract men. They are doing it because it's a lot more fun than being a housewife and mother.

Is that why they're all on anti-depressants? Because of how much fun they're having?

 

[SKYNET]

Everything is on equal footing now... lol.

Why do dating apps show overwhelming success for women in their 20's vs men in their 20's?

Not quite equal is it?

 

[Satur9]

Why do dating apps show overwhelming success for women in their 20's vs men in their 20's?

Not quite equal is it?

Oh, that old chestnut...

Once I saw some of those demands on there, I knew it wasn't for us mere mortals lol. Or at least not for me. The internet truly makes us delusional. Just glad I got to live in an earlier time for a good bit. Could not imagine how it is for most young people out there, but, that's on them now.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Why do dating apps show overwhelming success for women in their 20's vs men in their 20's?

Not quite equal is it?

Maybe the men in their 20's who are having success with women aren't on dating apps because they have the balls to approach girls in person?

 

[HereticBD]

The question men have not even asked themselves yet, much less begun to answer, is how do we get women to take on the traditional roles because they want to, not because they have to.

Wait it out. Nature will sort this shit out. This generation will be a cautionary tale to young women in the future. Not necessarily on the career end, but on the marriage and family end, yeah, I think the young women of the future will be looking at a whole lot of bitter old single feminists, and perhaps not follow all of their leads.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Wait it out. Nature will sort this shit out. This generation will be a cautionary tale to young women in the future. Not necessarily on the career end, but on the marriage and family end, yeah, I think the young women of the future will be looking at a whole lot of bitter old single feminists, and perhaps not follow all of their leads.

I would say the majority of career women still have kids, they just tend to have them later on in life. Most women my age that I know that have a good job also have a relationship and a child. They're not pumping out four or five kids though.

 

[SKYNET]

Maybe the men in their 20's who are having success with women aren't on dating apps

I'm not giving you my hypothetical, the dating app numbers are just the best set of data we have to go off. Younger gens are not hooking up in bars or clubs, they primarily use dating apps.

You seem to want to appeal to a hypothetical here. I would venture to proclaim that these younger men that are staying off dating apps does not add up to the same cross section of men generally having more courage. Not quite a logical nor substantive position to take.

 

[cooks1]

If they could have done it 100 years ago (before the rise of feminism) they would have and I would argue it likely would have had a negative effect on modern industrial society which relied upon women staying home raising families while men provided and went off and fought wars.

Meanwhile today, men in their 30's are not selecting women of the same age range, they are going for females in their 20's with lower body counts and this correlates with young women going for older men who generally have more access to wealth.

Young female gens are out having fun in their 20's instead of raising families and being homemakers which is not great entertainment (boo hoo, having to stay home and not punch a clock) then they are showing up on social media in their mid 30's early 40's divorced and/or single, upset at men because the highest value men they prefer are not choosing them. Men are not straying from the historically traditional and natural roles as provider, women are however, because girls just want to have fun.

Well.....You could not be more wrong about the age gap in marriages. The age gap between men and women in marriages is the lowest it's been (2.2 years) in all of American History.

Both men and women are waiting longer to marry....and thus start a family. The average for men is 30.2 and 28.4 for women (compared to 26 and 22 in 1925)

Ironically the biggest factor forcing women (and men) back into traditional roles....and believe it or not the % is starting to creep up...... is the high cost of childcare. 18% of all 'traditional' households now have men as the stay at home parent. That's an enormous increase. The more childcare increases, the more it will make sense for 1 of the 2 working parents (whoever makes less) transition back into the home.

 

[HereticBD]

I would say the majority of career women still have kids, they just tend to have them later on in life.

If they're lucky. Nature isn't all that kind to women who wait too long. They literally have prime years to give birth, before it can get complicated, and it ain't their 30's or 40's. It's a gamble to wait too long to try and have kids. That's another thing that I think will naturally come back around, just due to certain biological realties that feminists can't handwave away.

 

[cooks1]

Wait it out. Nature will sort this shit out. This generation will be a cautionary tale to young women in the future. Not necessarily on the career end, but on the marriage and family end, yeah, I think the young women of the future will be looking at a whole lot of bitter old single feminists, and perhaps not follow all of their leads.

Actually, the high cost of childcare is going to sort this shit out. It's already happening. The % of both men and women going back into traditional roles is creeping up. It's nearly 25% now..... And in nearly 1 in 5 of those situations it's the man that's staying at home.....an all time high that is continuing to increase.

The 'new' model may well go back to traditional households but not traditional gender roles. Money is too important in our society. If childcare gets too high and the female is on a better earning and career arc, it's gonna be, and increasingly is, the Dad's heading back into the home. And I think that's just fine.

 

[SurferH2O]

Of course your son loves the Latinas. Men can't convince American women with the same choices as them to bend the knee, so they will go look in places where women are still marginalized (Latin Countries, Muslim Countries, India, some places in Eastern Europe). Without the same choices and opportunities as American women, being a mother and housewife to a middle class American man is far less bleak than the alternative. Just like 'the good ole days'. Until of course those women also get more choice and opportunity. Then it's on to the next place.

Failing to win over American women on equal footing, and not even really wanting to try, American men instead go and look for women with less choice.....I can think of nothing more pussy or beta.

If I was a young man today, I would not date Woke women. Fuck that.

I said my son likes the Latinas. You made some real assumptions and perhaps racists remarks and don't even realize it from your Leftist bubble. You think Latinas in SoCal are not empowered? The difference is that they were raised to actually respect their fathers and men, not to bow down to them. It seems these Leftist woke weirdos women have Daddy issues. No thanks.

I can think of nothing worse that having a woman that doesn't respect you. That's the cuck... that's the Beta Male low T Leftist male.

 

[Satur9]

If they're lucky. Nature isn't all that kind to women who wait too long. They literally have prime years to give birth, before it can get complicated, and it ain't their 30's or 40's. It's a gamble to wait too long to try and have kids. That's another thing that I think will naturally come back around, just due to certain biological realties that feminists can't handwave away.

This is not uncommon at all. Bit of an anecdote, but it is true.

My ex waited and waited because she wanted to do the things the world was telling her is most important. Your job is more important than starting a family, and she would be better off if she focused on her parents, career, and family she was born into. She would not relent on these things, and now she is in her 40s with no kids or family of her own. Many of her friends are in the same predicament. When we were together and her friends would come over, I would hear how these ladies spoke about their futures, and never having families because they waited too long.

These things I actually experienced, many times over. Not just with her, but my own family, and friends of theirs. It is unfortunately they would rather listen to individuals with nothing of their own, telling them to follow along... At a certain point though, you just got to sit back and let nature run its course. Let's see where it all leads!

 

[oldshadow]

Looking at all the shit going on out there I'm very glad I'm old and do not have to deal with it.

My advice to the young guys. Dont get married and don't have kids especially when you are in your 20 and mid 30s. Hell not even then. Having a live in girlfriend is fine but better is just short term relationships.

The odds of having your life ruined are far too great.

Short term rent or lease is the way to go unless you stumble on the right one but even then you are rolling the dice that are loaded against you.