International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war Megathread

[Snubnoze707]

No, but it would be refreshing to see those that accuse Israel of being an ethnostate address Palestine’s ethnostate as well.

Palestine doesn't have a State.

There are Christian churches in Gaza. Israel bombed them.

 

[BAM]

eh. I disagree but fair enough

Once again.. i consider it a waste of focus.. articles like this ...

Australians released from Israeli detention after alleged beatings

Seven Australian activists arrested while trying to break Israel's naval blockade of Gaza have been deported to Jordan, the ABC understands.

www.abc.net.au

Australians released from Israeli detention after alleged beatings

Seven Australian activists arrested while trying to break Israel's naval blockade of Gaza have been deported to Jordan, the ABC understands.

www.abc.net.au

Israel deports Australian Gaza flotilla activists to Jordan

The group of seven held since Friday are released following Australian government representations

www.theguardian.com

Australian activists released from Israeli jail, deported to Jordan

The federal government has confirmed the release of seven Australians who were among hundreds of aid flotilla activists detained by Israeli authorities last week.

www.smh.com.au

There is zero mention of the suffering of people in gaza. Or palestinians. Or those held unfairly by israel.... or the warcrimes.. zero. In all of them its all about the " activists "

Australian holds grave concerns for health​

Another of the reports, believed to be regarding Juliet Lamont, outlined allegations she had been "sprayed with a water cannon, and left to sit in an unventilated area with her hands tied and clothes soaked for 7 hours".

"During this time, she said her head was repeatedly 'shoved' down by ISF," the report for the consular visit on Friday said.

It noted Ms Lamont claimed "a guard had warned her not to drink water from the facility, and clean water was not being offered to her".

"She was 'gravely' concerned about her physical health due to [an] underlying blood pressure condition, and reported feeling dehydrated, weak, dizzy, and confused."

Ms Lamont had "described the prison environment as 'dystopian' and was not eating food for fear of being poisoned", and said her medication had been confiscated.

A follow-up visit on Sunday reported she was in better health, and had received her blood pressure medication.

Another detainee had complained "the water inside his cell was rancid" and there was no toilet paper available.

"He advised post that he had been forced to take off all his clothes, undo his hair (which was tied back in a pony tail) and 'dance like a monkey' in front of the prison guards," the DFAT report stated.


Im sorry.. i consider this a waste of resources. There is people literally starving and dying. Theres people held without crimes on both sides for years as hostages...

Instead of them our media is focusing on 7 australians who put themselves in a israelie prison... and rely on the priveledge of being australian to get out.

Do you really think anybody is changing their mind because greta thumberg and her merry band got detained...? Instead of articles on the situation in gaza. I get articles on these 7... like they are more important than everyone else

Family members of the Australians being held in Israel called on the government to do everything they could to secure the release of the detainees.

Mr McEwen's brother, Anandan McEwen, said his family were "really worried" about mistreatment.

Judy Paterson said her son Hamish Paterson was "asking for help" to return home.


she said.

Defence Minister Richard Marles said the federal government was engaging with Israeli authorities and providing support to the Australians.

"We had made it clear that Australians should not be in a position of trying to breach the blockade which exists. And that was very much a matter in terms of their own personal safety," he said.

"But in the circumstances that are now there, we will continue to provide consular assistance to these people."

His mother, Jacinta McEwen, said she had received reports that her son had suffered humiliating treatment and physical abuse while in prison, and was on a hunger strike.

She said she was angry that she had not been contacted by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese.

“I’m just absolutely shocked that Prime Minister [Anthony] Albanese and Foreign Minister Penny Wong have not even contacted me as his mother, have not said anything about this,” Jacinta McEwen said.

“Even this morning, there’s mention of October 7 [Hamas attacks], but there is no mention of our Australian citizens, our sons and daughters, who are in prison, in a horrible prison and being maltreated.”

Judy Paterson, mother of Hamish Paterson, said it was “too upsetting” to go into the specifics of how her son was being treated


Its about them... not gaza and thats what our media and goverment has been focused on for days..... if you think that helps the cause. You are welcome to that view point

Weve already got our 7 released btw... like expected...

But yeah . Our pm and highest ministers should be talking to the mother of a idealist fool. Because thats certainly the most important thing...



Fair enough.. thats not how most australians view it.. we get sick of numpties relying on our goverment to pull them out of trouble of their own making.... the reliance on the priveledge is incredible


Donate to the few charities able to actually still effect things on the ground. Like oxfam. Unicef. Drs without borders. Wfp. Care australia. Hell if you got real balls.. volunteer with said organisations.


You know.. give your aid those that actually can help and do. Not to a flotlilla that is never going to distrute a single grain of rice or a bandaid to gaza and is nothing but pr campaign that relies on being a protected class.

I get what you're saying, but the benefits are more indirect.

For example, some people don't care about certain things unless they can relate or identify with it. People "know" Greta and if they treat her like crap, they will look at the regime more poorly and think 'if they will do that to Greta, imagine what they do to the Palestinians.' The flotilla also brought attention to the naval blockade when it started, which was around the time the food shortages started getting more traction in the media. It kept the humanitarian needs (food, baby formula) in the news, etc.

She is a weird brat, but she has her uses.

 

[SuperAlly]

 

[SuperAlly]

Actual examples of attempted genocide, Palestinians invading Israel on October 7th and butchering, murdering, kidnapping and raping everyone they came into contact with

Not examples of genocide, Israel going into gaza to fight hamas and unfortunately killing some civilians whom hamas are hiding among as Israel target hamas and warn the civilians in advance where they will attack and when

 

[avenue94]

Actual examples of attempted genocide, Palestinians invading Israel on October 7th and butchering, murdering, kidnapping and raping everyone they came into contact with

Not examples of genocide, Israel going into gaza to fight hamas and unfortunately killing some civilians whom hamas are hiding among as Israel target hamas and warn the civilians in advance where they will attack and when

If genocide requires a decrease in population, how was 10/7 attempted genocide? Israel's population has also grown.

Your logic isn't logicing.

 

[SuperAlly]

If genocide requires a decrease in population,

Your lying is lying

Fuck man, it really is a disability going through life with your brain power.

Its not just "decrease of population" thats weakly twisting of words, but then you know that, "debating" like a weasel is your m.o.

Do you really have no comprehension of how fucking dumb your are across this and the go woke thread

Hilarious stuff

You can't ignore genocide vs attempted genocide which is what I clearly stated

 

[avenue94]

Your lying is lying

Fuck man, it really is a disability going through life with your brain power.

Its not just "decrease of population" thats weakly twisting of words, but then you know that, "debating" like a weasel is your m.o.

Do you really have no comprehension of how fucking dumb your are across this and the go woke thread

Hilarious stuff

You can't ignore genocide vs attempted genocide which is what I clearly stated

You'll note that I've posted that 10/7 qualifies, and my stance on whether Israel is committing genocide is that they are soclose to it in deliberate mass starvation and sanctioning the targeting of media, aid workers and civilians that its nearly indistinguishable at this point.

Then again that would require reading and critical thinking instead of shit posting whatever garbage comes across your social media.

 

[SuperAlly]

You'll note that I've posted that 10/7 qualifies, and my stance on whether Israel is committing genocide is that they are soclose to it in deliberate mass starvation and sanctioning the targeting of media, aid workers and civilians that its nearly indistinguishable at this point.

Then again that would require reading and critical thinking instead of shit posting whatever garbage comes across your social media.

I love laughing at you

You are so stupid and jump into things two footed without reading and critically thinking

I mentioned genocide and attempted genocide and the 2 things count due to the intent of the actions as I described

But again, you are ruled by your political bias and not logic, reality, reading and critical thinking

You are dumb as shir and your "logic isn't logicing"

 

[avenue94]

I love laughing at you

You are so stupid and jump into things two footed without reading and critically thinking

I mentioned genocide and attempted genocide and the 2 things count due to the intent of the actions as I described

But again, you are ruled by your political bias and not logic, reality, reading and critical thinking

You are dumb as shir and your "logic isn't logicing"

Wow, look at that, just pointless rambling without an original thought. You're so incapable of critical thinking that you don't understand that there is no legal classification for attempted genocide.

It's either genocide or not, there's no qualifying it.

 

[SuperAlly]

No one cared on these forums when it happened in 2018. All the ones who did back then were conveniently banned since. Then y'all act like it started October 7th. Hypocrites

It didnt start on October 7th:

 

[SuperAlly]

Wow, look at that, just pointless rambling without an original thought. You're so incapable of critical thinking that you don't understand that there is no legal classification for attempted genocide.

It's either genocide or not, there's no qualifying it.

The word attempted has an accepted meaning in English irrespective of legal jargon

Stop clowning yourself please, for the love of God. I'm embarrassed for you

 

[avenue94]

The word attempted has an accepted meaning in English irrespective of legal jargon

Stop clowning yourself please, for the love of God. I'm embarrassed for you

Yet it does not have any meaning in the legal system, which is where the term genocide is defined. Either a country or group of people committed genocide, or they didnt.

Again, you can't even string together a coherent argument here, it's just shitposting.

Keep telling yourself that deliberately starving millions of civilians doesn't equate to genocidal intent.

 

[SuperAlly]

Yet it does not have any meaning in the legal system, which is where the term genocide is defined. Either a country or group of people committed genocide, or they didnt.

Again, you can't even string together a coherent argument here, it's just shitposting.

Keep telling yourself that deliberately starving millions of civilians doesn't equate to genocidal intent.

"Wah wah, you made me look dumb - shitposting, wah"

Oh wait, after your last 3 or 4 posts surely you aren't talking about "genocidal intent".

"Either a group of people committed genocide or they didnt". Man you are so fucking dumb. You just shot down your own arguments against me.

Wow. Just wow. Embarrassed for you. Ha ha

 

[avenue94]

"Wah wah, you made me look dumb - shitposting, wah"

Oh wait, after your last 3 or 4 posts surely you aren't talking about "genocidal intent".

"Either a group of people committed genocide or they didnt". Man you are so fucking dumb. You just shot down your own arguments against me.

Wow. Just wow. Embarrassed for you. Ha ha

Like I said, just shitposting and memes, not an original bit of critical thinking in your noggin. Carry on.

Hint, genocidal intent is one of the two requirements for the crime of genocide.

 

[The_Renaissance]

Very healthy looking guys. I thought they were starving? Oh no. That's just the women and children they use as collateral damage. arrogant little terrorist bragats. The ceasefire won't work because cunts like this will just use it as a time to rearm

They want all Jews dead so a ceasefire means nothing to them apart from a time to rearm.

Israel should just finish the job. There's no lasting peace with these people for them.

 

[SuperAlly]

 

[SuperAlly]

Like I said, just shitposting and memes, not an original bit of critical thinking in your noggin. Carry on.

Hint, genocidal intent is one of the two requirements for the crime of genocide.

Hint: your first line bares no relationship with the post you quoted.

Hint: telling someone they can't talk about attempted genocide "genocide either happened or it didnt" then talking about genocidal intent makes you an absolute dimwit.

On October 7th the Palestinians absolutely had genocidal intent.

Hint: you are so incredibly dumb its painful

 

[Anewt]

Actual examples of attempted genocide, Palestinians invading Israel on October 7th and butchering, murdering, kidnapping and raping everyone they came into contact with

Not examples of genocide, Israel going into gaza to fight hamas and unfortunately killing some civilians whom hamas are hiding among as Israel target hamas and warn the civilians in advance where they will attack and when

Lol no.you cant say hamas attempted genocide for killing 736 civilians .. what kind of genociders take hostages ?

The whole warning thing is absurd. Its the reason theyve levelled everything.. it allows a extremely methodical destruction of everything. Along with the war on cameras .

I mean think about it. ... you think the terrorists are going to what? Stay in the building marked for destruction?

 

[Anewt]

I get what you're saying, but the benefits are more indirect.

For example, some people don't care about certain things unless they can relate or identify with it. People "know" Greta and if they treat her like crap, they will look at the regime more poorly and think 'if they will do that to Greta, imagine what they do to the Palestinians.' The flotilla also brought attention to the naval blockade when it started, which was around the time the food shortages started getting more traction in the media. It kept the humanitarian needs (food, baby formula) in the news, etc.

She is a weird brat, but she has her uses.

UNfortunately i know of some where her prescence has the opposite effect. Automatic dismissal heh

 

[avenue94]

Hint: your first line bares no relationship with the post you quoted.

Hint: telling someone they can't talk about attempted genocide "genocide either happened or it didnt" then talking about genocidal intent makes you an absolute dimwit.

On October 7th the Palestinians absolutely had genocidal intent.

Hint: you are so incredibly dumb its painful

Again, if you don't know why intent is important, you plainly are unfamiliar with the actual laws around genocide and what it is.

Can you point the thread to the definition of "attempted genocide" ?