International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war Megathread

Does Mandy Patinkin have a valid point?


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This thread has really devolved.

Its just genocide apologists recycling shitty memes.

Supershill, I hope they're paying you well
Some questions here you could ask yourself



You can't "shame" people into not posting things that are an uncomfortable truth for you - it's a lot more different than the "israel bad, hamas and Palestinians good" that you and the loony left and leftist media want to pretend
 
Mate, it's videos of supposedly starving gazan children selling aid for profit

Its people pointing out the insane hypocrisy and OTT fascination of the UN on Israel when objectively and statistically worse humanitarian issues are occurring right now across the world and in recent years

It's not shilling

Its questioning why a largely left leaning and terrorist supporting mainstream media is covering this in such an biased way

Do you not think it's fucked that flotilla was supported and set up by people with close ties to various terrorist organisations including Hamas, had fuck all aid on board, refused assistance to get the (what was actually non existent) aid where they wanted it to go and they stopped off to party in Ibiza?

I think these are all valid questions worth asking rather than just going "muh, Israel bad, Palestine good and if you dare present evidence to the contrary you are a genocide supporter".

Just as a few examples
 

The medical charity Doctors Without Borders (MSF) voices “sorrow and outrage” following the death of a colleague in Gaza.

Abed El Hameed Qaradaya, 43, succumbed to shrapnel injuries sustained on Thursday, amid an attack that killed MSF colleague Omar Hayek and injured several others, the organization says.

MSF says the attack was carried out by Israeli forces. It says its staff were waiting for a bus to the charity’s field hospital at the time, and were all were wearing MSF vests.

In response to a query by the Times of Israel, the IDF says the strike on October 2 targeted a Hamas operative in central Gaza.

“Reports were received of a local Palestinian employee of an international organization who was killed, along with several local employees who were injured,” the military says, adding that “the details of the incident are under investigation.”
 
This shows how badly israel has waged this war and pr war. Well. How badly i percieve it i guess.





Over half of Australians support sanctions on Israel and its leaders for ongoing attacks on Gaza, poll shows​

Survey finds 57% of respondents agreed government should impose similar sanctions on Israel as those against Russia for its invasion of Ukraine.


Australians are supportive of placing tough sanctions on Israel and its leaders for their role in attacking Gaza, with a new poll finding more than half of voters agree the federal government should extend sanctions placed on Russia to Israel.

The YouGov poll, commissioned by the Australia Palestine Advocacy Network (APAN) and released Monday, shows the majority of Australians want Israel to end its assault on Gaza, with 69% agreeing – 53% “strongly” agreeing – the Netanyahu government’s military campaign should stop. Fourteen per cent disagreed.

The poll’s release coincides with a new offensive by Israeli forces on Gaza City as the Palestinian militant group, Hamas, considers a peace and reconstruction plan proposed by the US president, Donald Trump.

It found that 57% of respondents agreed Australia should impose similar sanctions on Israel as those against Russia after its illegal invasion of Ukraine. Of those in favour of sanctions, 34% said they strongly agreed while 24% somewhat agreed.

Those opposed – 21% – were more likely to be older and vote for the Coalition or One Nation. The poll included respondents of all voting intentions, genders, religions and education levels.

In a related but separate question, 54% supported Australia sanctioning Israel’s government and military leaders in response to their actions in Gaza, while 22% were opposed.

Support for preventing trade between the Australian government and companies involved in the war in Gaza and the occupation of the West Bank was also broadly supported with 53% – and 33% strongly – in favour. About 19% said they were against halting trade.

Asked whether a genocide is occurring in Gaza after the release of the UN commission of inquiry’s report in September, 58% of respondents agreed while 16% disagreed.
 
This shows how badly israel has waged this war and pr war. Well. How badly i percieve it i guess.





Over half of Australians support sanctions on Israel and its leaders for ongoing attacks on Gaza, poll shows​

Survey finds 57% of respondents agreed government should impose similar sanctions on Israel as those against Russia for its invasion of Ukraine.


Australians are supportive of placing tough sanctions on Israel and its leaders for their role in attacking Gaza, with a new poll finding more than half of voters agree the federal government should extend sanctions placed on Russia to Israel.

The YouGov poll, commissioned by the Australia Palestine Advocacy Network (APAN) and released Monday, shows the majority of Australians want Israel to end its assault on Gaza, with 69% agreeing – 53% “strongly” agreeing – the Netanyahu government’s military campaign should stop. Fourteen per cent disagreed.

The poll’s release coincides with a new offensive by Israeli forces on Gaza City as the Palestinian militant group, Hamas, considers a peace and reconstruction plan proposed by the US president, Donald Trump.

It found that 57% of respondents agreed Australia should impose similar sanctions on Israel as those against Russia after its illegal invasion of Ukraine. Of those in favour of sanctions, 34% said they strongly agreed while 24% somewhat agreed.

Those opposed – 21% – were more likely to be older and vote for the Coalition or One Nation. The poll included respondents of all voting intentions, genders, religions and education levels.

In a related but separate question, 54% supported Australia sanctioning Israel’s government and military leaders in response to their actions in Gaza, while 22% were opposed.

Support for preventing trade between the Australian government and companies involved in the war in Gaza and the occupation of the West Bank was also broadly supported with 53% – and 33% strongly – in favour. About 19% said they were against halting trade.

Asked whether a genocide is occurring in Gaza after the release of the UN commission of inquiry’s report in September, 58% of respondents agreed while 16% disagreed.
Like you say all about perception and unfortunately western media have done a great job running PR for the terrorists

 
Like you say all about perception and unfortunately western media have done a great job running PR for the terrorists

Yea exactly, Hamas are winning the PR war that is for sure.
 
Like you say all about perception and unfortunately western media have done a great job running PR for the terrorists

That site is unbelievably cringe lol. Most aboriginals support palestine stupidly. They entwine in a lot of protests. Its as silly as this mob siding with israel.

This group is evangelical nutters lol

I and a aweful lot of australians will automatically disagree with these kind of arguements..


We declare that the Creator, the God of Israel, is giving the land of Gaza back to the tribe of Judah and we stand with them in their duty to receive from the Creator what has been given to their ancestors.

The Creator, the God of Israel promised to restore the land to his people.


Sorry it just makes me laugh and dismiss the opinion. It actually hampers the arguement for me and a lot of people...


I Think despite the disaproval Of israel and the desire for the sanctions

Australians were split on the government’s plans to recognise Palestinian statehood at the UN general assembly next month. The largest response was “don’t know”, at 37%; another 34% backed the move and 29% were against.


Personally i think its stupidity to remotely appear to condone what hamas's goals were. So im against it. gaza being hamas controlled. But we a cuntish people. The longer it goes on and the more critism israel throws back at us the more people are going to want to sanction israel. once again its more a responce to israels actions than hamas's now.

But. Israel hasnt halted the westbank shit the entire time ... for decades so mb its the only way to bring some sanity. Fucks me. But i consider the way theyve run the war and their own pr to be absolute shithouse

very few support hamas ... but more and more are condemning israel... this war and its pr is a failure of bibi . And its own extreme politicians for the turning of support.. more than the western media in my opinion

The protests are led by the same mob that calls all of us Colonizers genociders etc Its what theyve called the rest of us for years... ya get used to it lol so i dont consider israel being called those things outrageous honestly as ive heard them for decades...
 
Yeah a bunch of dirt crusted guys hiding in rubble wearing Adidas sweatpants and sandals are controlling the global media, LOL!
Don’t show your ignorance all at wants , who backs abs funds them?
 
Then what act of resistance against the genocide isn't stupidity personified according to you ? What should people do except just watching it unfold live ?

The floatilla has only taken attention away from the people actially suffering. They are a bunch of clowns.

A sailing boat with Free Gaza written on the side in red paint.

Activists taking part in the Global Sumud Flotilla were intercepted by Israel's navy last week.

Boats like this dont carry fuck all in terms of aid to millions of people . The people onboard make it about themselves.. not the actual victims...


im sorry. I just dont care about a bunch of spoiled fools who sailed into israel. .. they achieved.their goal...

Getting arrested and complaining . Was their literal goal.. every article written about them is one avoiding reporting on the conditions in gaza in my opinion

These are the 2 most recent articles of gaza on one of the larger news sites in aus.

Note..





Im sorry. I dont care about greta thumberg and her " activists " . Theres dozens dying and being killed in gaza daily still.

THe floatilla is nothing but meaningless pr. I dont think it helps any gazan. And never has and never will.


now our goverment gets to waste time negotiating with israel to get our idiots back.. rather than critising israel actions in gaza and trying to get the 2 most important things into gaza.


Aid and foriegn press.

Instead of that and a focus on The innocents and the victims.. or hostages. And logical steps.... Its about getting greta and her merry band of idiots back.

In which israel now has far more negotiating power. Hell some governments may shut up for a bit from critising israel because they now have leverage they didnt have before...

I find actions that are more likely to create a negative outcome to be stupidity personified, same with ones that give your opponent more power.
 
Don't ask a woman her age.
Don't ask a man his salary.
Don't ask a Palestinian about the al-Abeed neighborhood.

I also find it peculiar when people accuse Israel of being an "ethnostate" given the Palestinian state constitution accepted in 2005.

- Palestine and Palestinians are a part of the Arabic nation.
- Islam is the official religion.
- Arabic is the official language.
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Don't ask a woman her age.
Don't ask a man his salary.
Don't ask a Palestinian about the al-Abeed neighborhood.

I also find it peculiar when people accuse Israel of being an "ethnostate" given the Palestinian state constitution accepted in 2005.

- Palestine and Palestinians are a part of the Arabic nation.
- Islam is the official religion.
- Arabic is the official language.
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Is it hypocritical to want to be a rival religious ethnostate?

What if I want the Americas (and most of Europe and Russia) to be as much a Christian ethnostate as Israel is a Jewish ethnostate and Saudi Arabia is a Muslim ethnostate?

Is embracing diversity, equity, and inclusion communism the only way to avoid hypocrisy on this issue?
 
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