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Does Mandy Patinkin have a valid point?

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gatchaman said:
Is it hypocritical to want to be a rival religious ethnostate?

What if I want the Americas (and most of Europe and Russia) to be as much a Christian ethnostate as Israel is a Jewish ethnostate and Saudi Arabia is a Muslim ethnostate?

Is embracing diversity, equity, and inclusion communism the only way to avoid hypocrisy on this issue?
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No, but it would be refreshing to see those that accuse Israel of being an ethnostate address Palestine’s ethnostate as well.
 
Son of Jamin said:
No, but it would be refreshing to see those that accuse Israel of being an ethnostate address Palestine’s ethnostate as well.
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If the choice is religious ethnostate (fascism) versus diversity, equity, and inclusion (communism), which do you choose?
 
Anewt said:
The floatilla has only taken attention away from the people actially suffering. They are a bunch of clowns.

A sailing boat with Free Gaza written on the side in red paint.

Activists taking part in the Global Sumud Flotilla were intercepted by Israel's navy last week.

Boats like this dont carry fuck all in terms of aid to millions of people . The people onboard make it about themselves.. not the actual victims...

www.abc.net.au

Australians from Gaza flotilla report rough treatment in Israeli detention

The ABC has obtained details of redacted summaries prepared by Australian diplomatic staff, including allegations that one Australian citizen has been slapped and had his passport "destroyed".
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im sorry. I just dont care about a bunch of spoiled fools who sailed into israel. .. they achieved.their goal...

Getting arrested and complaining . Was their literal goal.. every article written about them is one avoiding reporting on the conditions in gaza in my opinion

These are the 2 most recent articles of gaza on one of the larger news sites in aus.

Note..





Im sorry. I dont care about greta thumberg and her " activists " . Theres dozens dying and being killed in gaza daily still.

THe floatilla is nothing but meaningless pr. I dont think it helps any gazan. And never has and never will.


now our goverment gets to waste time negotiating with israel to get our idiots back.. rather than critising israel actions in gaza and trying to get the 2 most important things into gaza.


Aid and foriegn press.

Instead of that and a focus on The innocents and the victims.. or hostages. And logical steps.... Its about getting greta and her merry band of idiots back.

In which israel now has far more negotiating power. Hell some governments may shut up for a bit from critising israel because they now have leverage they didnt have before...

I find actions that are more likely to create a negative outcome to be stupidity personified, same with ones that give your opponent more power.
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They're not tho. You're in your own mind. There are many non spoiled people. Actually all of them are not because they took time away from their cosy life to sacrifice and make the light be stronger on the oppressed.

The governments negotiating is something that will tense relationships with Israel and many Western nations slowly by slowly and it will have an impact on their discourse on the current genocide.

Those people went so we can focus on the innocents and the oppressed. What's you're saying is don't do anything and we will talk about them more ? It's not true if there are no actions like that mainstream media will swip it under the rug. It's because we protest and resist that they don't turn a blind eye to it.

Also I'm following Arab social media and there are many Arab nationalities in this flotilla like Tunisians and whatnot. The whole Arab world in in even more of an uproar after the arrestations and mistreatment of the activists. You just don't see it but people like Sissi and the king of Morocco and others who had normalized with Israel are feeling the heat very strongly. It just needs a straw to break the camel's back and it will implode.

But again my question is : what do you find useful and not "stupidity personified" as an act of resistance that common citizens can do ?
 
No one cared on these forums when it happened in 2018. All the ones who did back then were conveniently banned since. Then y'all act like it started October 7th. Hypocrites

 
gatchaman said:
If the choice is religious ethnostate (fascism) versus diversity, equity, and inclusion (communism), which do you choose?
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In order for heterogeneous societies to work, it takes a very strict government like Singapore to pull it off.

So, it is like the horse shoe teorem, the polar opposites will soon meet (fascism/communism).
 
ShadowRun said:
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There have been a few times where a two-state solution has been generally accepted and a framework developed....only to have the religious radicals wings of both sides decide to continue fighting and disregard the solution.

None of this gets fixed until sub60 religious IQs on both sides of the aisle go extinct.
 
Koya said:
No one cared on these forums when it happened in 2018. All the ones who did back then were conveniently banned since. Then y'all act like it started October 7th. Hypocrites

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The only things you ever post is pro Hamas antisemitic. You're either radical fanatic or a paid person to post propaganda non stop. Since your posts are mostly false information and full of shit, I'll go with being a radical . You're not changing anyones views.
 
Koya said:
They're not tho. You're in your own mind. There are many non spoiled people. Actually all of them are not because they took time away from their cosy life to sacrifice and make the light be stronger on the oppressed.
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eh. I disagree but fair enough
Koya said:
The governments negotiating is something that will tense relationships with Israel and many Western nations slowly by slowly and it will have an impact on their discourse on the current genocide.
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Once again.. i consider it a waste of focus.. articles like this ...

www.abc.net.au

Australians released from Israeli detention after alleged beatings

Seven Australian activists arrested while trying to break Israel's naval blockade of Gaza have been deported to Jordan, the ABC understands.
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www.abc.net.au

Australians released from Israeli detention after alleged beatings

Seven Australian activists arrested while trying to break Israel's naval blockade of Gaza have been deported to Jordan, the ABC understands.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

www.theguardian.com

Israel deports Australian Gaza flotilla activists to Jordan

The group of seven held since Friday are released following Australian government representations
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www.smh.com.au

Australian activists released from Israeli jail, deported to Jordan

The federal government has confirmed the release of seven Australians who were among hundreds of aid flotilla activists detained by Israeli authorities last week.
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There is zero mention of the suffering of people in gaza. Or palestinians. Or those held unfairly by israel.... or the warcrimes.. zero. In all of them its all about the " activists "

Australian holds grave concerns for health​

Another of the reports, believed to be regarding Juliet Lamont, outlined allegations she had been "sprayed with a water cannon, and left to sit in an unventilated area with her hands tied and clothes soaked for 7 hours".

"During this time, she said her head was repeatedly 'shoved' down by ISF," the report for the consular visit on Friday said.

It noted Ms Lamont claimed "a guard had warned her not to drink water from the facility, and clean water was not being offered to her".

"She was 'gravely' concerned about her physical health due to [an] underlying blood pressure condition, and reported feeling dehydrated, weak, dizzy, and confused."

Ms Lamont had "described the prison environment as 'dystopian' and was not eating food for fear of being poisoned", and said her medication had been confiscated.

A follow-up visit on Sunday reported she was in better health, and had received her blood pressure medication.

Another detainee had complained "the water inside his cell was rancid" and there was no toilet paper available.

"He advised post that he had been forced to take off all his clothes, undo his hair (which was tied back in a pony tail) and 'dance like a monkey' in front of the prison guards," the DFAT report stated.


Im sorry.. i consider this a waste of resources. There is people literally starving and dying. Theres people held without crimes on both sides for years as hostages...

Instead of them our media is focusing on 7 australians who put themselves in a israelie prison... and rely on the priveledge of being australian to get out.
Koya said:
Those people went so we can focus on the innocents and the oppressed. What's you're saying is don't do anything and we will talk about them more ? It's not true if there are no actions like that mainstream media will swip it under the rug. It's because we protest and resist that they don't turn a blind eye to it.
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Do you really think anybody is changing their mind because greta thumberg and her merry band got detained...? Instead of articles on the situation in gaza. I get articles on these 7... like they are more important than everyone else

Family members of the Australians being held in Israel called on the government to do everything they could to secure the release of the detainees.

Mr McEwen's brother, Anandan McEwen, said his family were "really worried" about mistreatment.

Judy Paterson said her son Hamish Paterson was "asking for help" to return home.

"I feel incredibly frustrated with … the non-actions of our government,"
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she said.

Defence Minister Richard Marles said the federal government was engaging with Israeli authorities and providing support to the Australians.

"We had made it clear that Australians should not be in a position of trying to breach the blockade which exists. And that was very much a matter in terms of their own personal safety," he said.

"But in the circumstances that are now there, we will continue to provide consular assistance to these people."

His mother, Jacinta McEwen, said she had received reports that her son had suffered humiliating treatment and physical abuse while in prison, and was on a hunger strike.

She said she was angry that she had not been contacted by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese.

“I’m just absolutely shocked that Prime Minister [Anthony] Albanese and Foreign Minister Penny Wong have not even contacted me as his mother, have not said anything about this,” Jacinta McEwen said.

“Even this morning, there’s mention of October 7 [Hamas attacks], but there is no mention of our Australian citizens, our sons and daughters, who are in prison, in a horrible prison and being maltreated.”

Judy Paterson, mother of Hamish Paterson, said it was “too upsetting” to go into the specifics of how her son was being treated


Its about them... not gaza and thats what our media and goverment has been focused on for days..... if you think that helps the cause. You are welcome to that view point

Weve already got our 7 released btw... like expected...

But yeah . Our pm and highest ministers should be talking to the mother of a idealist fool. Because thats certainly the most important thing...


Koya said:
Also I'm following Arab social media and there are many Arab nationalities in this flotilla like Tunisians and whatnot. The whole Arab world in in even more of an uproar after the arrestations and mistreatment of the activists. You just don't see it but people like Sissi and the king of Morocco and others who had normalized with Israel are feeling the heat very strongly. It just needs a straw to break the camel's back and it will implode.
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Fair enough.. thats not how most australians view it.. we get sick of numpties relying on our goverment to pull them out of trouble of their own making.... the reliance on the priveledge is incredible
Koya said:
But again my question is : what do you find useful and not "stupidity personified" as an act of resistance that common citizens can do ?
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Donate to the few charities able to actually still effect things on the ground. Like oxfam. Unicef. Drs without borders. Wfp. Care australia. Hell if you got real balls.. volunteer with said organisations.


You know.. give your aid those that actually can help and do. Not to a flotlilla that is never going to distrute a single grain of rice or a bandaid to gaza and is nothing but pr campaign that relies on being a protected class.
 
Son of Jamin said:
Don't ask a woman her age.
Don't ask a man his salary.
Don't ask a Palestinian about the al-Abeed neighborhood.

I also find it peculiar when people accuse Israel of being an "ethnostate" given the Palestinian state constitution accepted in 2005.

- Palestine and Palestinians are a part of the Arabic nation.
- Islam is the official religion.
- Arabic is the official language.
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The "ethnostate" crap is one of the bizarrest claims of the pro Hamas antisemite extremists. The only country in the region that isnt an ethnostate with large numbers of other demographics living and working in the country. Unlike many ME places nearby

Its like Catholics accusing other religions of :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:philia frankly
 
Son of Jamin said:
No, but it would be refreshing to see those that accuse Israel of being an ethnostate address Palestine’s ethnostate as well.
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Because as usual it's not the act that the left have the issue with, it's with the people doing said act.

My team fine
The other side ermagawd devils, the worst of the worst
 
Koya said:
No one cared on these forums when it happened in 2018. All the ones who did back then were conveniently banned since. Then y'all act like it started October 7th. Hypocrites

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Funny how people think "it didn't start on October 7th" is any kind of defence of the disgusting, barbaric, subhuman behaviours that occurred on October 7th. Says more about the people making such claims than anything else

It didnt start then. Hamas had been terrorising Israelis long before then.

Its certainly got escalated in a horrific and evil way on October 7th and anyone trying to play that down is horrific and evil.
 
Koya said:
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When your government launched a war by brutally murdering 1200 people of all ages and kidnaping dozens more it's tough to feel any pity for the people forced to live in those tents. I watched five seconds of that bs before I rolled my eyes. Don't commit the equivalent of 30 9-11s and you won't have to live in tents and struggle to survive. Sadly Gazans are forced to answer for the actions of their government just like all other people who are/were forced to live under moronic governments(whether in Russia, Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, etc).


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Flotilla was self serving bs. They came with effectively zero aid and partied in Ibiza on the way to show just how serious they were about their Gaza cause. They are nothing but loudmouths who are no doubt planning their future political careers.

 
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These are the retards Israel must negotiate with...

I sincerely hope this doesn't happen.


"Hamas demands release of Oct 7 attackers in exchange for hostages
Henry Bodkin
Mon, October 6, 2025 at 9:59 AM PDT
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Palestinian militants move towards the border fence with Israel from Khan Yunis
The latest demand from Hamas risks scuppering a deal with Israel - AFP via Getty Images

Hamas has demanded the release of captured terrorists who took part in the Oct 7 massacre, sources have said.

The terror group has reportedly requested that “Nukhba fighters”, the elite special forces unit that led the massacre, be added to the list of imprisoned Palestinians slated for release in exchange for the Israeli hostages.

The demand risks scuppering any chance of a deal.

The news emerged as an official close to the talks in Sharm el-Sheikh warned that the negotiations could last several days, despite pressure from Donald Trump to reach a deal quickly.

In an effort to encourage Mr Trump to secure an agreement, families of the hostages have called for the Norwegian Nobel Committee to award Mr Trump the Nobel Peace Prize.

Israel has released hundreds of Palestinians under the previous two ceasefire deals, including senior terrorists serving life sentences.

However, as a matter of principle, they have always point-blank refused to release those captured on Oct 7, many of whom belong to the Nukhba force.

Israel’s Channel 12 News has now reported that Hamas has demanded that some of these be released.

Doing so would be hugely politically damaging for Benjamin Netanyahu’s government, yet some commentators have voiced fears that the White House might try to force such a concession on Israel in order to achieve a deal.
Fighters from the Qassam Brigades, the military wing of Hamas
Hamas has reportedly requested that ‘Nukhba fighters’ be added to the list of currently imprisoned Palestinians slated for release - AP Photo/Abed Hajjar

Hamas has also reportedly demanded the release of high-profile terrorist masterminds from the second intifada, who are serving life sentences.

Israel has previously reserved the right to veto the release of symbolic prisoners, particularly those with the most blood on their hands.

The provisional outline of the deal, to which Mr Netanyahu signed up last week, obliges Israel to release 250 of the 285 Palestinian prisoners serving life sentences.

That gives them the room to prevent the release of figures such as Marwan Barghouti, referred to by some as Palestine’s Mandela and a potential future leader.

Itamar Ben-Gvir, the ultra-nationalist national security minister, has reportedly warned Mr Netanyahu against releasing politically symbolic figures.

Non-political Israeli security officials are also said to be against it.
Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir speaks to Marwan Barghouti
Itamar Ben-Gvir, Israel’s national security minister, shared a video on X in August in which he taunted Marwan Barghouti (centre) in prison

Negotiations began in Sharm el-Sheikh on Monday, but these were indirect, technical talks.

Ron Dermer, who leads the Israeli negotiating team, arrives on Monday and will take part on Tuesday.

Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner, representing Mr Trump, will also join the discussions on Tuesday.

Mr Trump has urged all sides to “move fast” towards an agreement, aiming for the “first phase” of the deal to be struck this week.

But Karoline Leavitt, White House press secretary, offered no timeline for talks when asked for details during her briefing on Monday.

She said: “I don’t want to draw a red line up here. Of course, it’s very important, as I just mentioned, that we get this done quickly.

“That’s how the president’s team feels, so we can get some momentum, get the hostages out, and then move to the next part of this, which is really ensuring that we can create a lasting and durable peace in Gaza and ensure that Gaza is a place that no longer threatens the security of Israel or the United States.”

The precise timings of the withdrawal of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) are another point of potential disagreement between Israel and Hamas.

However, both sides have agreed to Mr Trump’s 20-point plan in principle and promised to enter the talks in good faith.

Israel will try to retain as much control as possible over the process of disarmament, as well as attempting to delay the withdrawal of the IDF.

It is politically important for Mr Netanyahu to be able to say that he recovered the hostages and defeated Hamas without being forced to leave Gaza.

He has already made the claim in video addresses which appears to contradict the terms of the plan. It proposes a demilitarised Gaza free of the IDF and policed by an international stabilisation force, most likely comprising Arab troops.

Credit: Benjamin Netanyahu via Telegram

For its part, Hamas may argue for provisions that make it easier to stow away weapons in order to attempt to exert control again in the future, some analysts fear.

On Monday, families of hostages held in Gaza urged the Norwegian Nobel Committee to award Mr Trump the Nobel Peace Prize this month over his efforts to secure the release of their loved ones.

The families have by and large become increasingly scathing of Mr Netanyahu’s performance in ending the war, but have always sought to appeal to Mr Trump, often with overt flattery, as offering the best hope for the hostages.

Mr Trump openly covets the prize, which Barack Obama won less than eight months after taking office.

Despite the negotiations, Israeli jets continued to strike targets in Gaza in the past 24 hours.

The IDF said at the weekend it had moved into a defensive posture, while the talks took place.

The recent strikes were said to be against Hamas militants preparing to attack Israeli troops.

On Monday, Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, the Egyptian president, said true peace in the Middle East would not be achieved without an independent Palestinian state."
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