International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war Megathread

[Son of Jamin]

Palestine doesn't have a State.

There are Christian churches in Gaza. Israel bombed them.

Correct, they have ratified a constitution that is based on the ideals of an ethnostate.

That there is a church still there doesn’t say much, however this is much more telling:

Violence and coercion has resulted in up to a 90% decline in the Christian population in areas under Hamas or Palestinian Authority control, according to a new study by the Jerusalem Center for Security and Foreign Affairs (JCFA).

Christian population declined under Palestinian Authority and Hamas | The Jerusalem Post

"Demographics don’t lie. We are witnessing a significant 80-90% decline in the Christian population in major cities," the researchers emphasize.

www.jpost.com

 

[AbominableJoman]

Has hamas released all the hostages that they kidnapped while murdering and raping some people at a festival? If not, fuck them

 

[SuperAlly]

Again, if you don't know why intent is important, you plainly are unfamiliar with the actual laws around genocide and what it is.

Can you point the thread to the definition of "attempted genocide" ?

You're so absolutely thick as hell it's hilarious

I didnt say intent isn't important

That's my argument about Oct 7th. They intended genocide. They attempted genocide.

You said genocide can't be an intent or an attempt. It either happened or it didnt.

A couple of posts late you talk about intent.

You are so hypocritical and stupid you defeated your own argument against me by presenting the same argument back to me.

It is hilarious stupidity

 

[SuperAlly]

Lol no.you cant say hamas attempted genocide for killing 736 civilians .. what kind of genociders take hostages ?

The whole warning thing is absurd. Its the reason theyve levelled everything.. it allows a extremely methodical destruction of everything. Along with the war on cameras .

I mean think about it. ... you think the terrorists are going to what? Stay in the building marked for destruction?

You are a smart and reasonable guy, I just disagree with you here.

If you enter another settlement and deliberately murder, rape, butcher and kidnap every person you come into contact with, that's genocide. The only reason they stopped is a lack of numbers and force to continue. It is is that genocidal intent Avenue speaks of.

Israel is not and never has indiscriminately killed or butchered every Palestinian they came into contact with..if they did, everyone in gaza would already be dead. There is not genocidal intent.

Yes Israel are a lot stronger than Palestinians or gaza militarily. That's how we know there is no genocidal intent. If there was, the Palestinians would already all be gone from gaza after 2 years.

This logic is pretty self evident.

 

[SuperAlly]

Correct, they have ratified a constitution that is based on the ideals of an ethnostate.

That there is a church still there doesn’t say much, however this is much more telling:

Violence and coercion has resulted in up to a 90% decline in the Christian population in areas under Hamas or Palestinian Authority control, according to a new study by the Jerusalem Center for Security and Foreign Affairs (JCFA).

Christian population declined under Palestinian Authority and Hamas | The Jerusalem Post

"Demographics don’t lie. We are witnessing a significant 80-90% decline in the Christian population in major cities," the researchers emphasize.

www.jpost.com

Sounds like ethnocleansing and genocide to me

 

[SuperAlly]

It's not "memes" as some falsely attribute

Its information shared on social media not reported by MSM

 

[SuperAlly]

People will try and decry this as memes because it presents uncomfortable truths for them and goes against their predetermined narrative.

Its how modern far left fascism works on many topics, shout things down using slurs and pejorative terms or derogatory declarations to try and embarrassed others with alternative viewpoints or information from having a say

But this kind of shits on all the ethnostate crap and other bs, from an Arab living in Israel and not some far left activist as usual arrogantly telling people how their far away country is



A lesson for avenue, actual information from people who live there is more important than presenting your own uneducated unique thoughts

 

[Hog-train]

Anybody else's Twitter feed being bombarded with Israeli propaganda and bots?

 

[Hotora86]

Anybody else's Twitter feed being bombarded with Israeli propaganda and bots?

My fb is bombarded with pro-Palestine propaganda actually.

 

[The_Renaissance]

My fb is bombarded with pro-Palestine propaganda actually.

Same. I seem to have to block at least 1-2 pages a day to not have to read pro-Pally nonsense.

 

[SuperAlly]

Anybody else's Twitter feed being bombarded with Israeli propaganda and bots?

Something I disagree with must be bots, propaganda and memes

 

[DEVILsSON]

Algorithms are trained to feed you whatever gets the most engagement to make them the most money. It's actually quite crazy how different people's timelines are. Even the comment sections for the same news stories or social media content can be starkly different. I often get completely different top comments than my friends.

We are all being manipulated. It is why it's important to disconnect every so often or seek information outside of social media. My FB and IG are all over the place

 

[avenue94]

You're so absolutely thick as hell it's hilarious

I didnt say intent isn't important

That's my argument about Oct 7th. They intended genocide. They attempted genocide.

You said genocide can't be an intent or an attempt. It either happened or it didnt.

A couple of posts late you talk about intent.

You are so hypocritical and stupid you defeated your own argument against me by presenting the same argument back to me.

It is hilarious stupidity

So what's the threshold of dead people for killing with genocidal intent to cross over into genocide?

And intent is a literally a requirement for the commission of genocide. Which you would know if you were capable to reading basic legal documents.

A lesson for avenue, actual information from people who live there is more important than presenting your own uneducated unique thoughts

Your attempts to avoid any critical thinking through shit posting are quite funny because as I've expressed more than once in this thread, I'm actually quite fond of Israel and enjoyed my time in the country several years ago. But apparently I must hate Israel and Jews because calling deliberate mass starvation of millions of civilian genocidal intent is beyond the pale.

 

[SuperAlly]

So what's the threshold of dead people for killing with genocidal intent to cross over into genocide?

And intent is a literally a requirement for the commission of genocide. Which you would know if you were capable to reading basic legal documents.

Your attempts to avoid any critical thinking through shit posting are quite funny because as I've expressed more than once in this thread, I'm actually quite fond of Israel and enjoyed my time in the country several years ago. But apparently I must hate Israel and Jews because calling deliberate mass starvation of millions of civilian genocidal intent is beyond the pale.

If you were capable of reading any basic English words at all you would know I was the one arguing for intent or attempt

You then said its a black and white "it did or didn't happen"

A couple of posts later you agreed with me and disagreed with yourself bringing out the intent/attempt line

In short you have the IQ of a squashed tomato

 

[DEVILsSON]

So what's the threshold of dead people for killing with genocidal intent to cross over into genocide?

And intent is a literally a requirement for the commission of genocide. Which you would know if you were capable to reading basic legal documents.

Your attempts to avoid any critical thinking through shit posting are quite funny because as I've expressed more than once in this thread, I'm actually quite fond of Israel and enjoyed my time in the country several years ago. But apparently I must hate Israel and Jews because calling deliberate mass starvation of millions of civilian genocidal intent is beyond the pale.

Isn't the answer zero? That's the theoretical threshold...

 

[SuperAlly]

So what's the threshold of dead people for killing with genocidal intent to cross over into genocide?

And intent is a literally a requirement for the commission of genocide. Which you would know if you were capable to reading basic legal documents.

Your attempts to avoid any critical thinking through shit posting are quite funny because as I've expressed more than once in this thread, I'm actually quite fond of Israel and enjoyed my time in the country several years ago. But apparently I must hate Israel and Jews because calling deliberate mass starvation of millions of civilian genocidal intent is beyond the pale.

"An arab living in Israel said something that disagrees with my ignorance and arrogance from hundreds of miles away so I will try and dismiss it as shit posting"

Again, classic far left fascism, try and shout down inconvenient truths with pejorative terms and slurs.

Your shit posting claims just becomes a dog whistle in the wind. A bit like when people misuse and abuse terms like genocide I guess.

Stop your shit posting arrogance and have a unique thought eh.

 

[SuperAlly]

 

[avenue94]

Isn't the answer zero? That's the theoretical threshold...

Theoretically yes, but also you and probably wouldn't call a country wanting to commit genocide and only killing 1 or 10 people genocide.

It's a difficult subject but also why I'm generally not a fan of suffering/death toll Olympics. It's not productive and tends to muddy the water. Hence I'm fine with considering 10/7 genocide, even if Hamas didn't come close to eliminating a huge proportion of the Jewish population in Israel.

If you were capable of reading any basic English words at all you would know I was the one arguing for intent or attempt

You then said its a black and white "it did or didn't happen"

A couple of posts later you agreed with me and disagreed with yourself bringing out the intent/attempt line

In short you have the IQ of a squashed tomato

Let's make this simple even though of course you won't understand it.

There is no crime or law for attempted genocide. However, intent is important because without genocidal intent one's crime cannot qualify for genocide, it's just garden variety war crimes at that point.

It's dumb but that's how the USSR and US drafted it and the same reason killing people because of their politics doesn't legally qualify as genocidal intent.

"An arab living in Israel said something that disagrees with my ignorance and arrogance from hundreds of miles away so I will try and dismiss it as shit posting"

Again, classic far left fascism, try and shout down inconvenient truths with pejorative terms and slurs.

Your shit posting claims just becomes a dog whistle in the wind. A bit like when people misuse and abuse terms like genocide I guess.

Stop your shit posting arrogance and have a unique thought eh.

What did he say that I disagree with? Note, I don't watch all the shit posting of videos in this thread cuz it's lazy and most sources are garbage. If you have a point, make it in your own words like an adult.

 

[SuperAlly]

Theoretically yes, but also you and probably wouldn't call a country wanting to commit genocide and only killing 1 or 10 people genocide.

It's a difficult subject but also why I'm generally not a fan of suffering/death toll Olympics. It's not productive and tends to muddy the water. Hence I'm fine with considering 10/7 genocide, even if Hamas didn't come close to eliminating a huge proportion of the Jewish population in Israel.

Let's make this simple even though of course you won't understand it.

There is no crime or law for attempted genocide. However, intent is important because without genocidal intent one's crime cannot qualify for genocide, it's just garden variety war crimes at that point.

It's dumb but that's how the USSR and US drafted it and the same reason killing people because of their politics doesn't legally qualify as genocidal intent.

What did he say that I disagree with? Note, I don't watch all the shit posting of videos in this thread cuz it's lazy and most sources are garbage. If you have a point, make it in your own words like an adult.

I didnt read your post because since the start you have failed to understand basic English words whilst tangling yourself up in legal definitions. Worry about basic English before advancing beyond your capabilities.

Trying to kill everyone indiscriminately but ultimately not being able to due to lack of force = attempted genocide. You tried. You weren't strong enough to do it.

Being able to slaughter everyone but choosing not to and trying to kill just those terrorists hiding among civilians = not genocide.

Occams razor.

We don't need to make things any more complex.

Keep it simple for the simpleton.

And yes, we both agree intent is key. And this post succinctly demonstrates that. Not sure why you initially argued about the intention or attempt of genocide, then back tracked and used it yourself as if you were arguing for the thing I initially proposed anyway.

You are still a cretin.

Stop the shit posting and have an original thought you racist.

 

[avenue94]

I didnt read your post because since the start you have failed to understand basic English words whilst tangling yourself up in legal definitions. Worry about basic English before advancing beyond your capabilities.

Trying to kill everyone indiscriminately but ultimately not being able to due to lack of force = attempted genocide. You tried. You weren't strong enough to do it.

Genocide doesn't mean killing most or all of a population. The law literally says "in part" is enough to qualify. I didnt read your post because since the start you have failed to understand basic English words whilst tangling yourself up in legal definitions. Worry about basic English before advancing beyond your capabilities

And yes, we both agree intent is key. And this post succinctly demonstrates that. Not sure why you initially argued about the intention or attempt of genocide, then back tracked and used it yourself as if you were arguing for the thing I initially proposed anyway.

You are still a cretin.

Stop the shit posting and have an original thought you racist.

Because by your logic, almost every genocide is an attempted one because most of them don't actually kill all, or even the majority of a population.

Again, read the actual laws on this matter before spouting off nonsense.