forget tom, i dont think jones beats volkov or blaydes

[Luffy]

I think you're completely misreading/misunderstanding what I was saying. I was highlighting that Stipe was, as you say, already badly clobbered, and then got stunned/completely turned off, and even then Jones, with time to pick a shot and throw a power punch on Stipe's chin, still couldn't drop him. This, to me, is a testament both to Stipe's chin and Jone's relatively weak striking (fists), especially for HW.

Or is just a testament to Miocic's chin. The fact the jab and straight right from Jon Jones, besides the spinning heel kick to the ribs, was the one that it was visible hurt Stipe the most, to the point the pain I'm his face could be seen shows me he has legit KO power now. His jabs also, even earlier, were visibly hurting Miocic...

 

[Luffy]

There is a rumor, told by a JJ training partner from Dagestan, that JJ had agreed to a more hardcore sparring vs some top HWs before his fight against Stipe... And that JJ got to the sparring visibly a little drunk and completely dominated the HWs. It was strongly suggested one of them was Volkov... The Dagestani partner said JJ was getting the best even in striking, but when using his grappling, there wouldn't even be a chance for them. Dunno. It was posted on YouTube, no footage. Didn't seem a scam video though, seemed somewhat made in a legit (or at least appeared to be) way.

 

[Luffy]

 

[xhaydenx]

Blaydes has randomly done a lot of stupid things and got finished. It's almost like it's a pattern.

Well, I don't know of any fighter who gets dumber during a fight the more success he has.

Like, explain the black beast fight. Seemed tentative at first, then realized he was a better striker than Lewis by a pretty considerable margin. Then he started to actually hurt Lewis.

Then he said fuck this success, shot for a td with no set up and got instantly KOd.

Blaydes is truly an enigma lol.

 

[mkt]

Well, I don't know of any fighter who gets dumber during a fight the more success he has.

Like, explain the black beast fight. Seemed tentative at first, then realized he was a better striker than Lewis by a pretty considerable margin. Then he started to actually hurt Lewis.

Then he said fuck this success, shot for a td with no set up and got instantly KOd.

Blaydes is truly an enigma lol.

My point is that in a hypothetical Jones vs. Blaydes fight, you have a guy who's never been finished or had a real loss (Hamill fight was a joke). Sure, Jones had a couple of very close decision wins, but he's had 28 wins, most by finish, including his last two. And a lot of those were title defenses.

Then you have Blaydes who finds a way to lose all his most important fights. He's been finished 5 times.

Who is the smart money going to bet on if this fight happens?

 

[Luffy]

Wait, don't we just dismiss experts in combat sports unless their views tally exactly with our own?

Some do, some don't. Have I done it?

 

[Intermission]

This is likely the worst take that I have read today. No offense...and I am about the furthest person from being a Jones supporter. I do recognize his dedication, hard work, fight IQ, top level experience, physical gifts and capabilities, and the ability to draw on all of the forementioned. What makes you think Curtis Blades is suddenly going to become the one to solve this puzzle? That is actually silly, TBH.

I think it stems from "Jones is not a natural heavyweight".

 

[xhaydenx]

My point is that in a hypothetical Jones vs. Blaydes fight, you have a guy who's never been finished or had a real loss (Hamill fight was a joke). Sure, Jones had a couple of very close decision wins, but he's had 28 wins, most by finish, including his last two. And a lot of those were title defenses.

Then you have Blaydes who finds a way to lose all his most important fights. He's been finished 5 times.

Who is the smart money going to bet on if this fight happens?

Well, I gamble for a living and wouldn't touch either because Jon would be paying shit and Blaydes would fuck it up somehow lol.

I'd be on the fight to go to a decision for sure.

Your point isn't lost on me or anything however. I'd pick Jon to win if I had to. Blaydes is still a threat though, especially at HW.

 

[Marko Polo]

Jon could be in the physical condition of Stipe Miocic and on fight IQ alone he'd still beat Curtis Blaydes.

Fight I.Q? Where was the fight I.Q in the Reyes fight or the Santos fight. The stuff you mugs say to justify your feelings. Jon’s fight I.Q = poking eyes and sticking steroid needles in his ass.

 

[CatchtheseHands]

Anyone who would bet money on Blaydes to beat Jon deserves to lose. When has Blaydes ever won an important fight?

 

[Plissken]

Blaydes has physical ability and fighting ability, but also has one of the worst fight IQ's ever for someone ranked. Technically he'd be a serious problem for Jones, but he always finds ways to lose fights that he is winning or should win.

 

[SuperAlly]

so you think jones struggling against a retired fighter was "impressive"?


"non-delusional hater" you're more delusional than i expected

We need to be honest here.

Yes Stipe has fallen way off his peak.

But Jon didn’t struggle. He absolutely dominated him.

 

[SuperAlly]

What the hell does Gane have for Tom? Certainly not grappling or power. Gane refused that fight for a reason. He only wants to fight fat, sloppy brawlers who can’t grapple and even then, Tuivasa was seconds way from a KO victory of all people.

There’s no HW Tom would beat easier than Gane. Francis is a wildcard though

Gane typically has a massive strikings, movement and athleticism advantage against his opponents.

Against Tom, Gane’s advantage here is very small to possibly non existent. A striking battle between them may be a coin flip. They both have great striking, movement and athleticism. We really don’t know who is better there in pure striking terms.

Throw in Tom’s huge advantage in the other aspects of MMA and the smart money is on Tom destroying Gane worse than anyone else who beat him.

 

[spinup]

Jones would take Blaydes down and pound his face in. He'd also easily outstrike him on the feet.

Possible. But I think we lack points of reference. Blaydes is a wrestler with good cardio and is no slouch on the feet either.He has not lost that way before.

 

[Luffy]

Gane typically has a massive strikings, movement and athleticism advantage against his opponents.

Against Tom, Gane’s advantage here is very small to possibly non existent. A striking battle between them may be a coin flip. They both have great striking, movement and athleticism. We really don’t know who is better there in pure striking terms.

Throw in Tom’s huge advantage in the other aspects of MMA and the smart money is on Tom destroying Gane worse than anyone else who beat him.

It's be tougher than JJ imo because JJ's ground game is better... I think he could take it to the ground and defeat Gane but it wouldn't be as easily as JJ. Or may very well be if Gane's wrestling is really bad. Tom is likely better on striking too, since JJ still landed two shots on Gane while Gane got his only pinch thrown swiftly dodged...

 

[spinup]

Gane typically has a massive strikings, movement and athleticism advantage against his opponents.

Against Tom, Gane’s advantage here is very small to possibly non existent. A striking battle between them may be a coin flip. They both have great striking, movement and athleticism. We really don’t know who is better there in pure striking terms.

Throw in Tom’s huge advantage in the other aspects of MMA and the smart money is on Tom destroying Gane worse than anyone else who beat him.

On the feet, Aspinall has great hand speed and power.
But Gane is better defensively, longer reach, more diverse kicks and excellent jab.

The grappling threat would create more openings for Aspinall.

 

[Mike]

I generally agree.

And also, remember when Jones stunned Stipe, BAD, and Stipe just froze, staring off into space and grinning. . .and Jones had time to pick his shot, wound up, rocked Stipe with what should have been an easy kill shot, and just further stumbled Stipe back and didn't finish him there.
Jone's eventual KO was an utter beauty, but I rewatched that Stipe being stunned part and was shocked that Jones didn't or couldn't put a rocked HW, coming off a brutal KO loss, away with an undefended punch and time to choose and deliver it.

Coming off a ko loss is a bit much when that fight was years ago lmao. Like I'm sure an entire presidential administration gave Stipes chin time to recover.

 

[Pechan]

Volkov he finishes, Blaydes would be a tough fight for him, if he wins it would be by knee kicking his way to a decision.

 

[Steve Fox]

Yeah...no.

 

[Tweak896]

None of the HWs have high enough TDD for Jones level takedowns, and anyone who might is a huge step below in striking.

Jones has an iron chin, has more variety of strikes than anyone. Only hope is to clip Jones with a hail mary KO. It's insane how disregarded each part of Jones game is.

Haters only hope is throwing enough HWs at Jones until one can land the KO. No HW has the skill to he on Jones level or close. Even if Jones beat the whole division, everyone would just say HW is weak. There's no way he could ever win over the haters.