Im starting to think that Tom Aspinall is highly overrated

He's beaten everyone they put in front of him. The only two that are seen as a test are ducking him like the plague, isn't Tom's fault.

Who besides Jon is a test? Jailton with his tekken spam takedown? Cyril "I train only when I have a fight coming up" Gane, who would get tackled and choked out as quickly as he did against Jon?
The only other top 10 fighters Tom has yet to face and beat outside of the aforementioned are Rozenstruick and Lewis lol

I don't know what people want Tom to do to "prove himself" when he blasts through everyone they give him and the other two are ducks.

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Unfortunate, but he needs that Jon fight to prove his worth.

Not his fault, but that is the reality.

Ali was considered great because he beat greats like Foreman. Tom didn't fight the two best in his division, Frank and Jon.
 
The problem though is not just saying that the top 10 is mediocre, (which is an argument to have all on its own) but that it apparently isn't mediocre for Gane. You're explicitly judging their runs under very different microscopes

It's so laughably obvious. He cites Derrick Lewis as a top win for Gane but doesn't cite Pavlovich as a top win for Aspinall, even though Pavlovich flattened Derrick Lewis in a round.

Also lol at JDS on a three KO loss skid being a top win for Gane. Marcin fucking Tybura is a better win than that.
 
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If we look at his level of comp its not exactly an A list of guys.

Pav I think was exposed by volkov

Blaydes always seems to crumble when something is on the line.

Arlovski is a good win but Andrei was 42 when they fought.

Volkov is a good win.

Why are we anointing him as a king when he's only proved he's better than very weak comp.

Legit he may be the 6th best guy in the world right now

Jones
Stipe
Ngannou
Renan
Gane
Maybe even Bader who knows.
Bader? Renan? Cmon, now. Those two names do not belong on this list.
 
If we look at his level of comp its not exactly an A list of guys.

Pav I think was exposed by volkov

Blaydes always seems to crumble when something is on the line.

Arlovski is a good win but Andrei was 42 when they fought.

Volkov is a good win.

Why are we anointing him as a king when he's only proved he's better than very weak comp.

Legit he may be the 6th best guy in the world right now

Jones
Stipe
Ngannou
Renan
Gane
Maybe even Bader who knows.
Volkov is a good win, but losing to Volkov means you've been exposed?
 
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Jon Jones is afraid to lose, ducks and cheats, that should be what this thread is about.
 
He's legit good, elite level. Still tho, how much of an elite, it's a question mark, still. As is current Alex Pereira to me. Ever since UFC 300 with the new trunks, Poatan seemed to have received a power up as well, he looks more like a killer since he defeated Jiri the first time. Vs Jiri 1, it seemed still he had many vulnerabilities and looked pretty beatable. Since then he became more stoic, calmer during the fights and more untouchable... I know it's BS, but it's interesting because Jiri Prochazka said that when he saw Poatan's 300 performance he noticed something else, like if he had done a ritual to give him extra power. Aspinall, he may be below Prime Miocic or above Ngannou... Tough to know for sure.


If JJ is a 10 ....

Aspinall ??
Poatan ??

Dunno... Maybe they're > 10... Or still < 10 ... Hard to say with those 3.

Poatan gave fighters scores... I think he gave low scores on purpose to some fighters just to tease them, mostly Anakalaev and DDP that he had maybe potential match ups. But overall, I trust it. Poatan when asked about Aspinall, he said 9, then completed with "he is the one I've been wanting to fight against. When asked about JJ, Poatan also said 9... The draft kings also have Aspinall and JJ pretty much tied up. I think Aspinall's slight edge comes from him knowing JJ's game while JJ has little to no footage of Aspinall. But still, it seems he's on par with current Jon Jones. I think Alex Pereira is up there too --- a 9 (unless Poatan considered himself a 10... But I don't think so, it's more like a no one is perfect I guess).

But yeah, to me JJ, Aspinall and Poatan are all equal monsters and bosses of the game. Most ppl would disagree with Poatan being there, but that's how I feel. Demetrious Johnson after seeing Poatan vs Khalil said no one can defeat Poatan in his opinion.... And Usman argued Poatan should be #1 pfp. Which is curious because it was solely striking, but I think they see his striking as so elite and know that he can wrestle as well, not as well as a JJ or a Chimaev, Islam ofc, but has the tools for it not to be just something that can be picked up easily anymore.

In fact, I think JJ is > Ngannou and so is Aspinall, due to how well versed they are. JJ is more well versed than Aspinall, but Aspinall is also well versed and compensates JJ's better grappling with more KO power. He may be pretty much an Ngannou who is very good in the ground as well --- just not as much as JJ.

Poatan is [likely] worse on wrestling than Aspinall, and even more so than JJ, but it may not be a so glaring hole anymore and he has better striking than those two which covers for his still worse ground game. Well, we'll have to see... Let's see within Aspinall, JJ and Poatan who's the best.

At least it seems now that the next match will be actually Poatan vs Aspinall with the winner taking on JJ.... Crazy.
 
I dont care if Tom is overrated, or has not faced good enough competition..
The man is the interim champ, the titles need to be unified.
If not then there whole interim champ (no matter what div) is worthless.
If the champ want to be "undisputed" he need to face the interim champ and unify the titles.
That goes for all divisions.

For all I care the interim champ could be a bunny rabbit and I would still want that fight.
Titles need to be unified its that simple.
 
I dont care if Tom is overrated, or has not faced good enough competition..
The man is the interim champ, the titles need to be unified.
If not then there whole interim champ (no matter what div) is worthless.
If the champ want to be "undisputed" he need to face the interim champ and unify the titles.
That goes for all divisions.

For all I care the interim champ could be a bunny rabbit and I would still want that fight.
Titles need to be unified its that simple.
I've also read that as soon as the undisputed champion enters the ring and defends his belt, there's no more interim champion... That they start to be #1 contender.
 
Most ppl would disagree with Poatan being there, but that's how I feel. Demetrious Johnson after seeing Poatan vs Khalil said no one can defeat Poatan in his opinion.... And Usman argued Poatan should be #1 pfp. Which is curious because it was solely striking, but I think they see his striking as so elite and know that he can wrestle as well, not as well as a JJ or a Chimaev, Islam ofc, but has the tools for it not to be just something that can be picked up easily anymore.
The problem is Poatan hasn't faced a real grappler yet--not even someone on the level of a 2003 Tito or Randy Couture. Maybe he'll win a few more fights, retire and never have to face a real wrestler, but it still has to be considered when comparing him against other great champs. He and Israel grappled a bit, and it was...well, embarrassing for both.
 
not even someone on the level of a 2003 Tito or Randy Couture.
That's a pretty high level of grappler, even today, I think. In terms of pure grappling. Way you phrased it makes it sound like a low level.
 
I've also read that as soon as the undisputed champion enters the ring and defends his belt, there's no more interim champion... That they start to be #1 contender.


also I personally agree with wiki say on the matter

""Once the original champion can return, at the discretion of the sanctioning body or promotion concerned, they must defend their title against the interim champion - who will relinquish their interim title to fight for the full world title. If the original champion cannot return, refuses to defend their title, or transfers to a different weight division, the interim champion is promoted to full championship status."

Do you really think it makes sense to just pretty much strip the interim champ,
because that is really what it is, he did not lose his belt, he did not fight.
He is just suddenly not the interim champ any more.
Then why have that belt / title? If it goes away with out a fight.

Also how is the champ undisputed if there was another champ around?
 
The problem is Poatan hasn't faced a real grappler yet--not even someone on the level of a 2003 Tito or Randy Couture. Maybe he'll win a few more fights, retire and never have to face a real wrestler, but it still has to be considered when comparing him against other great champs. He and Israel grappled a bit, and it was...well, embarrassing for both.
He got way better since Israel in grappling. He got taken down by Jiri, managed to get up and wasn't taken down again... Tho it cost him the whole first round. Jiri took him down in the first fight, he got up without being too damaged. In the 2nd fight vs Jiri, Jiri Prochazka tried but didn't even got close to take Poatan down... And he's a quick learner, Glover says Alex is better than him in the ground game already.




Watch from minute 14. He has been quickly developing it. Fabricio Werdum even said that he thinks Jon Jones can take down Poatan but that he thinks Poatan can defend well enough even if taken down by JJ. DC some time ago said that he'd go serious on Alex and it'd be very hard to take him down and that was more than a year ago I think.
 
also I personally agree with wiki say on the matter

""Once the original champion can return, at the discretion of the sanctioning body or promotion concerned, they must defend their title against the interim champion - who will relinquish their interim title to fight for the full world title. If the original champion cannot return, refuses to defend their title, or transfers to a different weight division, the interim champion is promoted to full championship status."

Do you really think it makes sense to just pretty much strip the interim champ,
because that is really what it is, he did not lose his belt, he did not fight.
He is just suddenly not the interim champ any more.
Then why have that belt / title? If it goes away with out a fight.

Also how is the champ undisputed if there was another champ around?
I didn't say anything about JJ facing or not Aspinall. I think JJ could retire, he did enough, but he stayed in the game and is negotiating.

But as it appears, at least with current news, Poatan will be the one to take on Aspinall....
 
I didn't say anything about JJ facing or not Aspinall. I think JJ could retire, he did enough, but he stayed in the game and is negotiating.

But as it appears, at least with current news, Poatan will be the one to take on Aspinall....

Neither did I really. I used him as an example.
The champ should face the interim champ and unify the titles.
I mean GSP was once the interim champ while Serra was out.
What did Serra do? He took on GSP his first fight back and got beaten badly.
That is what the champ should do.. Not get beaten badly but take on the interim champ (even though in Serras case he knew he was going to get beaten bad.)

I just find the whole thing to be a joke.
And it has nothing to do with Tom or JBJ its the situation and my feelings would be the same no matter who and what division.
 
I've also read that as soon as the undisputed champion enters the ring and defends his belt, there's no more interim champion... That they start to be #1 contender.
Changes nothing

Champ should defend his belt against the #1 contender

This goes for HW champ, LHW, Bantwamweight, women’s shitty arse Nunes weight whatever that joke division is

The champ has a responsibility to defend their belt against the next best challenger

Shit or get off the pot
 
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He got way better since Israel in grappling. He got taken down by Jiri, managed to get up and wasn't taken down again... Tho it cost him the whole first round. Jiri took him down in the first fight, he got up without being too damaged. In the 2nd fight vs Jiri, Jiri Prochazka tried but didn't even got close to take Poatan down... And he's a quick learner, Glover says Alex is better than him in the ground game already.




Watch from minute 14. He has been quickly developing it. Fabricio Werdum even said that he thinks Jon Jones can take down Poatan but that he thinks Poatan can defend well enough even if taken down by JJ. DC some time ago said that he'd go serious on Alex and it'd be very hard to take him down and that was more than a year ago I think.

“ And he's a quick learner, Glover says Alex is better than him in the ground game already.”

Come on

Hopefully we don’t need to explain why this is silly and what coach GLover is doing
 
"Pavlo was exposed" maybe he had a bad day, injury, bad training camp? who knows?

Man City lost to Brighton so now this mean they suck right?
In reality they will most likely win PL and CL

People are so stupid xD

Most likely won the CL? Bold statement man
 
That's a pretty high level of grappler, even today, I think. In terms of pure grappling. Way you phrased it makes it sound like a low level.
My point was the upper weight divisions are seriously lacking good grapplers. When grapplers from 20 years ago (in their primes) would be a bigger threat to strikers like Poatan than most any fighter today, that's a part of MMA that hasn't seen any evolution.
 
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