Jones and Aspinall best wins at HW

[AndrewGolota48]

Blaydes and Gane wins should be roughly on a par. Obviously Blaydes has a couple more losses than Gane, but he's also got more quality wins.

42 year old Stipe is only a slightly better win than 42 year old Arlovski. Stipe was visibly slowing down in the Cormier 2 and 3 fights, and after that he was ko'd by Ngannou and then took three years off before the Jones fight. On your scale, that's probably a four point win.

If you compare:

Gane - 8 points
Stipe - 4 points

to:

Blaydes - 8 points
Pavlo - 7 points
Volkov - 7 points
Spivak - 5 points
Tybura - 4 points
Arlovski - 3 points

then that's reasonably reflective of their respective resumés at HW.

Yeah except that Arlovski was never on Stipe's level and had been out of the elite for many years while Stipe fought Jones in literally his next fight after losing the title. But yeah totally man they were the same quality of win since their age was the same.

Somewhat like how Randy and Mark Coleman were the same age when they fought and you could clearly see that they declined at the same rate and were both in exactly the same phase of their career.

Oh wow 3 years off! Incredible, that must neuter a fighter completely to train and heal up for 3 years. Jones took 3 years off as well and yeah he looked so much worse vs Gane than he did against Reyes. Incredibly erudite analysis. And GSP took a whole 4 years off and managed to move up a weight class and win the title. Dom Cruz also took 3 years off and looked putrid in his return fight, just so many examples of elite fighters looking horrible after extended time off to train and recover....but nevermind all that, it automatically made Stipe an invalid in the cage.

Actually Stipe at 57 might still be a better win than Spivak, Tybura, and 42 year old Arlovski. He certainly was a better win at 42 though, not even up for debate.

 

[BowserJr]

Rate their best wins in HW taking into account the level of the opponent at a particular moment (best opponent from the bunch - 10 points)

Gane, Stipe, Spivak, Pavlo, Volkov, Blaydes... If you dont see Tybura and corps or Arlovski as particularly good level, you can exclude them.

My take:

Jones
Gane - 10 points
Stipe 42 years old - 7 points

Aspinall
Blaydes - 8 points
Pavlo - 7 points
Volkov - 7 points
Spivak - 5 points
Tybura - 4 points
Arlovski - 3 points

I wonder, which wins of Aspinall really have a case over Jones wins? Want some objective opinions.

Gane 6, Stipe 2

 

[mkess101]

Yeah except that Arlovski was never on Stipe's level and had been out of the elite for many years while Stipe fought Jones in literally his next fight after losing the title. But yeah totally man they were the same quality of win since their age was the same.

Somewhat like how Randy and Mark Coleman were the same age when they fought and you could clearly see that they declined at the same rate and were both in exactly the same phase of their career.

Oh wow 3 years off! Incredible, that must neuter a fighter completely to train and heal up for 3 years. Jones took 3 years off as well and yeah he looked so much worse vs Gane than he did against Reyes. Incredibly erudite analysis. And GSP took a whole 4 years off and managed to move up a weight class and win the title. Dom Cruz also took 3 years off and looked putrid in his return fight, just so many examples of elite fighters looking horrible after extended time off to train and recover....but nevermind all that, it automatically made Stipe an invalid in the cage.

Actually Stipe at 57 might still be a better win than Spivak, Tybura, and 42 year old Arlovski. He certainly was a better win at 42 though, not even up for debate.

"His next fight". 3 and half YEARS later.

Holy shit even for you that one is comical. Especially given he got steamrolled in his previous fight so it was like 4 and a half years since he'd won a fight. And funny how all the other examples you mentioned were much younger than Stipe as though the COMBINATION of layoff and age isn't what matters. Fuck are you disingenuous.

Was wondering when you'd jump into this thread with a clown shoes take, and you didn't disappoint!

 

[AndrewGolota48]

"His next fight". 3 and half YEARS later.

Holy shit even for you that one is comical. Especially given he got steamrolled in his previous fight so it was like 4 and a half years since he'd won a fight. And funny how all the other examples you mentioned were much younger than Stipe as though the COMBINATION of layoff and age isn't what matters. Fuck are you disingenuous.

Was wondering when you'd jump into this thread with a clown shoes take, and you didn't disappoint!

Good argument against some made up phantom that is stating Stipe was in his prime vs Jones, unfortunately no one made that argument except your confused, quite limited brain. But good job with another biased Clown College thesis you posted there.

And Gane at the time Jones beat him is a better win than anything in Tom's career. I think you even admit that but some other clowns in this thread think otherwise.

 

[Tweak896]

DC @ LHW still should count for some points, it's sort of retarded to compare Jones to Aspinall at HW. That's like GSP's WW wins vs Whittaker at the time.

 

[TheWizard]

Sorry but why the fuck is Blaydes lower than Gane? Gane ducked Blaydes like his life depended on it.

Does Blaydes need to beat Tai Tuivasa to be on Gane's level or something?

Blaydes could've fought Gane if he had beaten Lewis, instead he got knocked unconscious for 10 minutes while Gane effortlessly beat Lewis 6 months later.

Gane also wouldn't go life and death with Kuniev.

Blaydes has looked terrible in so many fights yet people still rate him highly for some reason.

 

[Portland8242]

Blaydes could've fought Gane if he had beaten Lewis, instead he got knocked unconscious for 10 minutes while Gane effortlessly beat Lewis 6 months later.

Gane also wouldn't go life and death with Kuniev.

Blaydes has looked terrible in so many fights yet people still rate him highly for some reason.

You might be right I guess. Losing to Volkov isn't as bad as losing to Lewis.

 

[mkess101]

Good argument against some made up phantom that is stating Stipe was in his prime vs Jones, unfortunately no one made that argument except your confused, quite limited brain. But good job with another biased Clown College thesis you posted there.

And Gane at the time Jones beat him is a better win than anything in Tom's career. I think you even admit that but some other clowns in this thread think otherwise.

Could you tell me where I claimed you said Stipe was "in his prime"? No? Oh look who's fabricating a bullshit strawman again! Yep, Golota!

You did claim Arlovski was "never on Stipe's level" except...he was. He was a pretty dominant UFC champ at one time. Sure I'd rank Stipe higher on an all time list but in terms of "level" yeah he's there because if you're a dominant champ that defends the belt numerous times, you're obviously on that level. And to act like Stipe who was 42 AND had not won a fight in almost FIVE YEARS is clearly a better win than Arlovski who was coming off back to back wins in the previous 9 months prior to losing Aspinall is such utter fantasy.

Gane WHEN Jones beat him was a good win, absolutely. But why would we think it clearly better than Aspinall's win over Pavlovich WHEN he beat him? Pavlovich came into that fight with 6 consecutive first round finishes. I wouldn't say it's a BETTER win than Gane when Jones beat him, but it's absolutely comparable to it.

 

[Gregoire1]

No, not 11. What's up with that fucking russian shit on your av?

But maybe 12, you are very good at counting!

 

[Gregoire1]

Keep going LMAO! Your "colleagues" are really dialed into your analysis here!

Whatever you say, Doctor! Just don't leave your ward, please.

 

[Gregoire1]

I had Volkov winning against Gane. He is more well rounded and experienced too. I see Toms win over Volkov at least as good as Jons over Gane. But we will see soon.

Fair, but this was better version of Gane on paper.

 

[Gregoire1]

Good argument against some made up phantom that is stating Stipe was in his prime vs Jones, unfortunately no one made that argument except your confused, quite limited brain. But good job with another biased Clown College thesis you posted there.

And Gane at the time Jones beat him is a better win than anything in Tom's career. I think you even admit that but some other clowns in this thread think otherwise.

You have to be very careful here. Obsession clouds the minds of the followers of this sect. You'd find it easier to argue with your dog than with such characters. I occasionally make fun of their stupidity, but I'm constantly exhausted—my facial muscles get tired from laughing, so I stop the flow in this thread, otherwise they won't stop. This guy is especially good, he churns out zillion posts defending his boss and sometimes can't even take his balls out of his mouth for lunch. But his brain is so clouded or organically damaged that he doesn't even realize how ridiculous he is. And it's not just him (he's just one of the most intrusive and resentful), many Asp followers are like that (because in reality, they're all Jones haters in disguise, the motivation...you see?).

This Freudian process of self-abasement is unstoppable, and they could even harm themselves after we ridicule and expose their delusions. Don't forget that their idol could soon lose to Gane, and then... oh, I don't even know what will happen to many of them. It's scary to imagine. For example, where will this guy write his 100,500 posts a day without a lunch break (and is there at least one of these 50 thousand that isn't moronic one- an interesting question??). They will soon even more downplay Stipe (you see it now), because it will be the only way to humiliate Jones if (when) Gane beat their bum Asp.
So I'm washing my hands of this and won't deal with this topic for now, maybe just occasionally dropping by to destroy another Asp servant. Good luck in the difficult task of healing them with shame.

 

[mkess101]

Whatever you say, Doctor! Just don't leave your ward, please.

Did your "colleagues" talking to you inside your head tell you to say that?

 

[Thepaintbucket]

Stipe got humiliated badly by Francis and had zero interest in MMA anymore unless it was a super fight against Jon Jones, AKA money fight. So he sits around for 3 1/2 years before ever setting foot back into the octagon. He's now into his 40s. How do you actually and respectfully rank a guy under these conditions?

 

[orca]

he could barely raise his arms, he was almost dead.

stipe survived for how many rounds?
while gane who whopped nganou cant survive for 4 mintues

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

Both Pav and Blaydes would have a good chance at beating Gane. Volkov arguably should have gotten the W vs Gane too.

It'll be interesting to see if OP and the 5 or so other pro-Jon forum spammers keep talking up Gane if he gets steamrolled by Tom.

 

[VAfan]

stipe survived for how many rounds?
while gane who whopped nganou cant survive for 4 mintues

and that's styles make fights. stipe has a wrestling background, gane is a tackling dummy.

 

[Hdfi]

Jones
Gane - 9 points
Stipe 42 years old - 6 points

Aspinall
Blaydes - 10 points
Pavlo - 10 points
Volkov - 9 or 10 points
Spivak - 7 points
Tybura - 7 points
Arlovski - 5 points

 

[Portland8242]

Could you tell me where I claimed you said Stipe was "in his prime"? No? Oh look who's fabricating a bullshit strawman again! Yep, Golota!

You did claim Arlovski was "never on Stipe's level" except...he was. He was a pretty dominant UFC champ at one time. Sure I'd rank Stipe higher on an all time list but in terms of "level" yeah he's there because if you're a dominant champ that defends the belt numerous times, you're obviously on that level. And to act like Stipe who was 42 AND had not won a fight in almost FIVE YEARS is clearly a better win than Arlovski who was coming off back to back wins in the previous 9 months prior to losing Aspinall is such utter fantasy.

Gane WHEN Jones beat him was a good win, absolutely. But why would we think it clearly better than Aspinall's win over Pavlovich WHEN he beat him? Pavlovich came into that fight with 6 consecutive first round finishes. I wouldn't say it's a BETTER win than Gane when Jones beat him, but it's absolutely comparable to it.

Pavlovich win was better IMO. He also had Lewis and Tuivasa on his resume, and had Blaydes there who beat Volkov. Wasn't better by much, but still better IMO. That Aspinall KO took Pavlovich's fighting spirit right out of him. Has to be one of the most egregious cases of a fighter fighting differently after being brutally KO'd.