NFL Fast QB's

[SKYNET]

What was with Bo Jackson in Tecmo Bowl? As you know you could run him around as long as ya wanted to, finally getting bored with it. And, he only had one play.
I'd start at the one run him to the other one then back to his one then...................................
Speaking of the real Bo Jackson, if he'd played up into his early 30's, he'd be way up there on that all time rushing list. His size/speed combo was freakish.

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

There it is, hahahaha~~~

Another funny was how wanna be tacklers on Christian Okoye would go flying thru the aiir bouncing off him.

I still play the other two Tecmo games, that one above went kaplunk.

Tecmo ruining this for me.

http://www.theunforgettablebuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/1973-COleco-copy.jpg

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

True story....

When the old AFL showed up in 1960 I needed a favorite team there, so I picked the Dalas Texans soon to be the Kansas City Chiefs, I was a fan of RB Abner Haynes (first black to play college football in Texas).

My fav NFL team was the Niners.

So many years later I find an electric football game at a yardsale, it was brand new the box had never been opened, it was NFC vs AFC.. So I give the lady 10 bucks get it home...............guess the two hand painted teams still in the bags, yep.......Niners and Chiefs.

What are the odds?

 

[Madmick]

Why aren't there any white QBs on the list? Lmao

Hmmmm?

lane

1. Julian Edelman Kent State
2. Bobby Douglas Bears
3. Steve Young Niners
4. Fran Tarkenton Vikings
5. Arch Manning Texas
6. Slingin' Sammy Baugh Redskins.....played cornerback also
7. Roger "Dodger" Staubach Cowboys
8. Ryan Tannehill Titans, a former WR

The infamous bust Jake Locker has the fastest 40-yard dash by a white QB. He ran a 4.52 at an official NFL scouting event. There's even an obscure Cougars forum post linking an old Yardbarker article that mentions a 4.39 time for him, but the link is dead, and it's prudent to assume the possibility that was hand-timed.

Jake Locker - Wikipedia

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Jake Locker - Tennessee Titans Quarterback - ESPN

View the profile of Tennessee Titans Quarterback Jake Locker on ESPN. Get the latest news, live stats and game highlights.

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That's faster than Kaepernick's fastest official electronically timed 40, who is listed in the OP, but Kaepernick was admired for his ungodly stride length and his ability to sustain his top speed like elite sprinters, not his (albeit still elite) acceleration.

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

The infamous bust Jake Locker has the fastest 40-yard dash by a white QB. He ran a 4.52 at an official NFL scouting event. There's even an obscure Cougars forum post linking an old Yardbarker article that mentions a 4.39 time for him, but the link is dead, and it's prudent to assume the possibility that was hand-timed.

Jake Locker - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Jake Locker - Tennessee Titans Quarterback - ESPN

View the profile of Tennessee Titans Quarterback Jake Locker on ESPN. Get the latest news, live stats and game highlights.

www.espn.com

That's faster than Kaepernick's fastest official electronically timed 40, who is listed in the OP, but Kaepernick was admired for his ungodly stride length and his ability to sustain his top speed like elite sprinters, not his (albeit still elite) acceleration.

The 40 has little to do with 100m, all that is about is acceleration. The 100m starts around the 55ish when these cats have hit their top end/max velocity, now speed endurance comes into play, how long can they sustain/maintan that topend?

Usan Bolt spent years running the 200m before ever running a 100m, so a guy who trains for 200m is going to have a whole other level of speed endurance, what's a mere 100m to a 200m guy? Now add his 6-5 stride.

Fast footballers can hang with world class sprinters in a 40, but at 55ish the sprinters start pulling away, they train for that speed endurance, footballers only don't.

Yes we have seen footballers like Tyreek Hill who were also college sprinters.

But, who really neds 100m speed on a football field, the 40 is more like it.

 

[Madmick]

The 40 has little to do with 100m, all that is about is acceleration. The 100m starts around the 55ish when these cats have hit their top end/max velocity, now speed endurance comes into play, how long can they sustain/maintan that topend?

Usan Bolt spent years running the 200m before ever running a 100m, so a guy who trains for 200m is going to have a whole other level of speed endurance, what's a mere 100m to a 200m guy? Now add his 6-5 stride.

Fast footballers can hang with world class sprinters in a 40, but at 55ish the sprinters start pulling away, they train for that speed endurance, footballers only don't.

Yes we have seen footballers like Tyreek Hill who were also college sprinters.

But, who really neds 100m speed on a football field, the 40 is more like it.

Indeed, which is why they test the 40, it's more relevant, the field is barely 100m long counting the endzones, acceleration matters more in the sport, but the thread's question is discussing speed, not mere acceleration, and besides, I made a note of the distinction, there. This is what I was talking about:

Colin Kaepernick and his Usain Bolt-like stride​

SANTA CLARA — There are times when Colin Kaepernick looks like he should be carrying a baton, not a football, with his progress measured in meters, not yards.

He looks like a track star — even to actual track stars.

“He’s a freak in the same way that Usain Bolt is a freak,” former Olympic sprinter Ato Boldon said.

Boldon, legendary Olympic hurdler Edwin Moses and noted track coach Fred Harvey were among those watching the 49ers’ playoff game last weekend when Kaepernick blazed for 181 rushing yards, a single-game NFL record for a quarterback.

So they were eager to play along this week when asked to analyze Kaepernick’s long-legged stride. Moses, a two-time Olympic gold medalist, even requested additional Kaepernick highlights so he could take a closer look.

Geographically, our track panel has this Sunday’s game between the 49ers and Falcons well represented: Boldon and Harvey have ties to the Bay Area, while Moses lives in Atlanta, the site of the NFC Championship Game.

The basic question for our running commentators: How can someone 6 feet 4 and 230 pounds be so dang fast?

“It tells me his biomechanics are really good,” said Moses, who won 400-meter gold medals at the 1976 and ’84 Olympics and who once won 122 consecutive races.

“And I’d bet a million dollars he’s done a lot of plyometrics in his life.”

Bingo! When Moses’ theory was relayed to Kaepernick, the quarterback confirmed that his training regimen includes plenty of plyometrics — exercises that demand fast, explosive movements. The quarterback does not, however, have any track experience. His running style is natural.

In the biggest play Jan. 12 at Candlestick Park, Kaepernick rolled around the right side of his offensive line and zoomed untouched for a 56-yard touchdown. It was the longest run by a quarterback in franchise history — the third time this season that Kaepernick has surpassed the old mark of 49 yards set by Steve Young.

According to a film review of the play by sports columnist Monte Poole of the Bay Area News Group, Kaepernick needed only 15 steps to cover the last 40 yards. In contrast, defensive back Charles Woodson of the Packers needed 20 steps over that same distance — and never came close to making the tackle.

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

Indeed, which is why the test the 40, it's more relevant, the field is barely 100m long counting the endzones, acceleration matters more in the sport, but the thread's question is discussing speed, not mere acceleration, and besides, I made a note of the distinction, there. This is what I was talking about:

Colin Kaepernick and his Usain Bolt-like stride​

Unless you are like an Alvin Harper or Warren Wells guys known for being long ball receivers, it is about quicks and 40 type jets.

Kickoff return guys need good long range speed.

But other than that give me a 4.30 cat over a 10.3 sprinter.

Kaepernick had long range speed, just not great speed. No way he had legit 100m speed vs those who did. He might run 10.6ish, Tyreek Hill runs 10.1.

 

[Madmick]

Unless you are like an Alvin Harper or Warren Wells guys known for being long ball receivers, it is about quicks and 40 type jets.

Kickoff return guys need good long range speed.

But other than that give me a 4.30 cat over a 10.3 sprinter.

Kaepernick had long range speed, just not great speed. No way he had legit 100m speed vs those who did. He might run 10.6ish, Tyreek Hill runs 10.1.

Nowhere have I, Boldon, or his coach asserted Kaepernick would have been competitive against a field of a world class track 100m final sprinters.

I don't understand why you're contradicting claims that haven't been forwarded. If anything, I said what I said in defense of the apparent shortcoming of your own list from the OP. Because I pointed out the bust Jake Locker is a white QB who was faster than Kaepernick in the 40-yard dash despite that you named Kaep in the OP for your "All Time QB 100m Final". So either you overlooked Locker, since he would be faster, or I thought, maybe one could argue Kaep belonged on that list because in a theoretical 100m between QBs he would surge past Jake Locker late in the race thanks to his extraordinary stride length, once he reached top speed, allowing him to achieve a higher top speed, and to maintain that top speed longer.

This is a principle in swimming, too, btw, where a more efficient stroke (i.e. fewer strokes to cover the same distance, or "stroke stride", I suppose you could call it) has been powerfully correlated to higher top speeds, and the fastest swimmers in any given event at the Olympic level.

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

Nowhere have I, Boldon, or his coach asserted Kaepernick would have been competitive against a field of a world class track 100m final sprinters.

I don't understand why you're contradicting claims that haven't been forwarded. If anything, I said what I said in defense of the apparent shortcoming of your own list from the OP. Because I pointed out the bust Jake Locker is a white QB who was faster than Kaepernick in the 40-yard dash despite that you named Kaep in the OP for your "All Time QB 100m Final". So either you overlooked Locker, since he would be faster, or I thought, maybe one could argue Kaep belonged on that list because in a theoretical 100m between QBs he would surge past Jake Locker late in the race thanks to his extraordinary stride length, once he reached top speed, allowing him to achieve a higher top speed, and to maintain that top speed longer.

This is a principle in swimming, too, btw, where a more efficient stroke (i.e. fewer strokes to cover the same distance, or "stroke stride", I suppose you could call it) has been powerfully correlated to higher top speeds, and the fastest swimmers in any given event at the Olympic level.

The 40 has zero to do with anything here, a total non factor.

 

[Madmick]

The 40 has zero to do with anything here, a total non factor.

That's nonsense. Elite sprinters have elite 40 yard dash times (or 30m marks if you will). There is a powerful correlation there even if it hasn't been exhaustively mapped.

Profiling elite male 100-m sprint performance: The role of maximum velocity and relative acceleration - PMC

Four split times can model velocity-time and velocity-distance curves accurately during acceleration in elite male sprinters. Maximum velocity was negatively associated with all 20-m sections of a 100-m sprint in addition to overall sprint time. The ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Selected Determinants of Acceleration in the 100m Sprint - PMC

The goal of this study was to examine the relationship between kinematics, motor abilities, anthropometric characteristics, and the initial (10 m) and secondary (30 m) acceleration phases of the 100 m sprint among athletes of different sprinting ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Since most of these guys weren't competitive track stars their official 40-yard dash times are the most reliable data we have to speculate about their 100m or top speed potential. Again, this doesn't void the logic of other speculations (for which we also don't have concrete data) involving concepts like stride length, which is why I added that commentary in my initial post addressing Slobodan, but it's plainly silly to dismiss the best information we have available to us indicating their top speed potential when considering hypothetical 100m times.

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

That's nonsense. Elite sprinters have elite 40 yard dash times (or 30m marks if you will). There is a powerful correlation there even if it hasn't been exhaustively mapped.

Profiling elite male 100-m sprint performance: The role of maximum velocity and relative acceleration - PMC

Four split times can model velocity-time and velocity-distance curves accurately during acceleration in elite male sprinters. Maximum velocity was negatively associated with all 20-m sections of a 100-m sprint in addition to overall sprint time. The ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Selected Determinants of Acceleration in the 100m Sprint - PMC

The goal of this study was to examine the relationship between kinematics, motor abilities, anthropometric characteristics, and the initial (10 m) and secondary (30 m) acceleration phases of the 100 m sprint among athletes of different sprinting ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Since most of these guys weren't competitive track stars their official 40-yard dash times are the most reliable data we have to speculate about their 100m or top speed potential. Again, this doesn't void the logic of other speculations (for which we also don't have concrete data) involving concepts like stride length, which is why I added that commentary about my initial post aimed at Slob, but it's plainly silly to dismiss the best information we have available to us indicating their top speed potential when considering hypothetical 100m times.

Herb Washington was the greatest indoor 60 cat ever, he broke the 5.9 world record (erasing 22 names) with his 5.8.

Steve Wiliams was a long strider, a 44.9 400m dude, sucked in a 60, too short.

There I am in Fresno next event on the track the 100 yard dash. In lane 4 Herb Washington, lane 5 Jamaican Don Quarrie, lane 6 Steve Willliams they were the class in that field. At the gun Washington is gone, by 50 he has a good two yards on the field, then here they came, both Williams and Quarrie blew by him Wiliams tying the 9.1 worrld record, Quarrie at 9.3 as was Washington.

I have seen that race many times fast starters getting ran down because they lacked the most important aspect of 100m sprintng..........SPEED ENDURANCE. Washington was not a 200m cat he was 60/100 he lacked speed endurance.

A 40 means nothing when talking the 100m, all that is is acceleration which isn't all that at 100m. Yes the 40 more important in football.

Fordhams Sam Perry twice won the USA 60 championship, he was one of those 5.9 world record holders, what did he do at 100 yards..........nothing.

I know better than to put much into a 40 when talking 100m, I was quick out of the blocks and right there at 40, then my laziness came into play as everyone in te race started passing me, I ran track for football way too lazy for that sport. ZERO speed endurance.

 

[Madmick]

A 40 means nothing when talking the 100m, all that is is acceleration which isn't all that at 100m.

Wrong. Just wrong. It absolutely means something. Show me an elite international 100m sprinter who runs a 4.7+ 40-yard dash (or a similar conversion from the first 30m or 40m split of a timed race).

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

Wrong. Just wrong. It absolutely means something. Show me an elite international 100m sprinter who runs a 4.7+ 40-yard dash (or a similar conversion from the first 30m of his best race).

What you aren't getting is Sam Perry/Herb Washington would win the 40, win the 50 vs Steve Williams, Don Quarrie but lose the 100m.

OBVIOUSLY all sprinters can run a decent 40, but without SPEED ENDURANCE it won't matter.

Sprinters train running repeat 300's, why? Yep, building that speed endurance, without it you stand no chance vs those with it, the 40 a non factor if running a 100m.

Most the great 100m sprinters were also stud 200m cats. Bolt holds the WR in both.

Christian Coleman runs a 4.12 40, he holds the 60m WR at 6.34, he didn't make out World Champs 100m team, he did leadoff the 4x1.

i could rattle off a list of great 60m dudes who did nothing at 100yards 100m, SPEED ENDURANCE........ok guy?

 

[Madmick]

What you aren't getting is Sam Perry/Herb Washington would win the 40, win the 50 vs Steve Williams, Don Quarrie but lose the 100m.

OBVIOUSLY all sprinters can run a decent 40, but without SPEED ENDURANCE it won't matter.

Concession accepted.

Because you're changing claims, now. It's no longer that the "40 means nothing when talking the 100m", it's that it doesn't mean everything. Duh. That doesn't escape me. I've consistently alluded to that very fact since my first post in this thread. It's why I was talking about Kaep's stride length.

However, without any material evidence of top speed or 100m times conveying their capability in that 60m back end of the 100m race, how are you determining which QBs would be the best at this back end? That's a question the thread invites. I provided some evidence to substantiate Kaepernick's raw potential to be better, there, although it doesn't prove it. RG3 was the only QB you noted who had an actual track career in the OP. This uncertainty, our ignorance of this, is the area of mystery where the thread invites us to speculate.

All I have forwarded is that in the absence of definite evidence to answer that question the best material indication we have of their top speed potential is their tested 40-yard dash times. It's better than anything else we have. Even speed gun data for QBs from the last decade won't help since QB runs almost NEVER extend beyond 40 yards, and even when they do, the QB is carrying a ball, is weighed down by his pads, is potentially still zig-zagging to avoid tacklers pursuing him, isn't necessarily running on a field in the same condition as another QB on a long run, etc.

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

Concession accepted.

Because you're changing claims, now. It's no longer that the "40 means nothing when talking the 100m", it's that it doesn't mean everything. Duh. That doesn't escape me. I've consistently alluded to that very fact since my first post in this thread. It's why I was talking about Kaep's stride length.

However, without any material evidence of top speed or 100m times conveying their capability in that 60m back end of the 100m race, how are you determining which QBs would be the best at this back end? That's a question the thread invites. I provided some evidence to substantiate Kaepernick's raw potential to be better, there, although it doesn't prove it. RG3 was the only QB you noted who had an actual track career in the OP. This uncertainty, our ignorance of this, is the area of mystery where the thread invites us to speculate.

All I have forwarded is that in the absence of definite evidence to answer that question the best material indication we have of their top speed potential is their tested 40-yard dash times. It's better than anything else we have. Even speed gun data for QBs from the last decade won't help since QB runs almost NEVER extend beyond 40 yards, and even when they do, the QB is carrying a ball, is weighed down by his pads, is potentially still zig-zagging to avoid tacklers pursuing him, isn't necessarily running on a field in the same condition as another QB on a long run, etc.

I have seen all of them play and being a track geek I have a good eye for what speed looks like, could have gone with........the fastest QB's I have seen in the NFL.

So who would you have in your NFL FASTEST QB;s, go ahead.