NFL Is the NFL Rigged? ( Sir Elzio Mega Discussion )

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

If we are doing highlight reels. I see Brown clearly the more powerful back. A total monster in comparison to the defense.

Barry has the uncanny knack of bouncing off and breaking tackles just as well as Brown did... while adding alien-like jukes and cuts that I've never seen with exception to Gale Sayers

Nobody compares to Barry Sanders when i comes to...........did I really see that? He was incredible.

But when it comes to beating down a defense, and scoring Jim Brown was on a whole other level.

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

Size with speed

 

[SKYNET]

Size with speed

I have no doubt Bo's in the conversation if he didn't lose his hip.

Total Agreement from a Raiders fan. Raiders lost Bo in a playoff win vs Bengals, his last time ever playing football. My heart was shattered, I will never forget how hollow I felt the next week when the Raiders lost 51 - 3 in Buffalo.

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

I have no doubt Bo's in the conversation if he didn't lose his hip.

Total Agreement from a Raiders fan. Raiders lost Bo in a playoff win vs Bengals, his last time ever playing football. My heart was shattered, I will never forget how hollow I felt the next week when the Raiders lost 51 - 3 in Buffalo.

Bo Jackson was the greatest speed/size combo we have seen, total bummer about his hip, what a fucked up deal.

If he'd played 10 season he is any GOAT conversations.

 

[Rygu]

Barry
Jim Brown
Sweetness
LT
Emmitt

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

Barry
Jim Brown
Sweetness
LT
Emmitt

Not sure what to do with Emmitt, so many times he'd be 4 yards down the field before having to do anything because of that monster line he had.

 

[Rygu]

Not sure what to do with Emmitt, so many times he'd be 4 yards down the field before having to do anything because of that monster line he had.

Very true but I look at durability, toughness, and short yardage as well and Emmitt was elite in those areas.

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

My Mack "Truck" Lee Hill story....

The cat was out of Southern U, he was injured as a senior so went undrafted.

Would sign on with the Chiefs, he was something else, power personified. Would win Rookie of the Year terrorizing defeses, a...Truck;

He averaged over 5 yards a carry banging the line. think about that, he drags wanna be tacklers, dude was a bonafide monster.

I his second season he banged up a knee, he would die on the operating table.

https://talesfromtheamericanfootballleague.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Mack-Lee-Hill.jpg

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

Very true but I look at durability, toughness, and short yardage as well and Emmitt was elite in those areas.

Yes he was, there is a reason nobody has more yards than Emmitt Smith.

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

Speaking of the Chiefs...

Abner Haynes
Curtis McClinton
Mike Garrett
Tony Reed
Ed Podolak
Woody Green
Christian "Nigerian Nightmare" Okoye
Priest Holmes
Jamaal Charles
Larry Johnson
Robert "Tank" Holmes
Joe Delaney
Kareem Hunt
Isaih Paheco\
Clyde Edwards Helaire
Mack "Truck" Lee Hill

Who compares to that?

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

God, as You know I don't ask for much, but could You give the Niners a helping hand tonight, pretty please.

Amen

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

I usually don't start drinking at 9am, but really am nervous already, a JD/Coke 50/50 mix sure sounds good. I need to chill.

GO NINERS~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

FUCK~~~~~~~~~~

It's pourig down rain, which means it's raining in SF also, which means a wet field,

God does work in mysterious ways.

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

I get God is pretty busy, doubt a football game makes His things to do list. But worth a try.

Anyway....

A Niner team with Trent Williams, Nick Bosa, Fred Warner and Ricki Pearsall is a hell of a lot better than one missing those studs. OBVIOUSLY.

Anyway....

All is not lost yet, we still have a shot but do need Williams and Pearsall back I get the other two won't be back this season.

If we could just play with our full team one season, how cool would that be?

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

When Norm Van Brocklin and Bob Waterfield were sharing QB (both making the pro bowl in the same season) they had some weapons. There was NCAA 100 champ Bob Boyd, future Hall of Famers Tom Fears and "Crazy Legs" Hirsh to throw to..
When handing off there was Deacon Dan Towler and Tank Younger both around 225 back in the 50's. Talking Rams there.

When the Steelers were kicking ass, Bradshaw had a Hall of Famer RB Franco Harris and two Hall of Fame receivers in John Stallworth and Lynn Swann (Cali long jump champ)

Dan Marino had Mark Clayton, Mark Duper and Tony Nathan.

Johnny U with Hall of Famers Ray Berry, Lenny Moore, John Mackay. Moore the first great receiving RB, would be in the slot today.

Dan Fouts had a 1000 yard rusher in Chuck Muncie, a 1000 yard TE in Kellon Winslow, and 1000 yard receivers Charlie Joiner and John Jeffeson all in the same season.

The great Otto Graham had the great Marion Motley hauling the rock and the great Dante Lavelli catching it, all in the Hall of Fame.

Randy Moss AND Chris Carter on the Vikes

The Snake had future Hall of Famers, Dave Casper, Fred Biletnikoff, Cliff Branch.

Montana had Jerry Rice, John Taylor and Roger Craig.

Mahomes did have Tyreek "Cheetah" Hill and Travis Kelce.

The Hall of Famer Troy Aikman had the Hall of Famers Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin.

A QB needs his weapons.

Lack of weapons is what makes Jim Brown so great, who can give me the Browns TE/WR in his day, can't do it can ya, he was the offense. So teams were geared to stop him, yep, couldn't do it, He STILL averaged over 5 yards a carry and 100 yards a game for the career.

He did have speedy Bobby Mitchell for 4 seasons, not really Thunder & Lighting because Brown also had some Lighting.

Trivia

Browns coach Paul Brown......I would trade Jim Brown to get him.......who?, yep another RB.

 

[Kung Fu Kowboy]

Deacon Dan Towler and Tank Younger

Sounds like guys you would draft in 2009 Madden

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

Deacon Dan Towler and Tank Younger

Sounds like guys you would draft in 2009 Madden

Towler was out of Washington & Jefferson where ever tha's at. Doubt they play football today.

Paul "Tank" Younger was the first NFLer out of Grambling.

Like I mentioned big backs for that era, they pretty much shared carries.

Deacon Dan

https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th/id/OIP.yPliKnoGwb7AvkeI18tv6wAAAA?pid=Api&P=0&h=180

The Tank

http://goldenrankings.com/Football%20Pictures%202/NFL%20Championship%20Games/1955RamsBrowns/TankYoungerRams.jpg

 

[Madmick]

Why aren't there any white QBs on the list? Lmao

Hmmmm?

lane

1. Julian Edelman Kent State
2. Bobby Douglas Bears
3. Steve Young Niners
4. Fran Tarkenton Vikings
5. Arch Manning Texas
6. Slingin' Sammy Baugh Redskins.....played cornerback also
7. Roger "Dodger" Staubach Cowboys
8. Ryan Tannehill Titans, a former WR

The infamous bust Jake Locker has the fastest 40-yard dash by a white QB. He ran a 4.52 at an official NFL scouting event. There's even an obscure Cougars forum post linking an old Yardbarker article that mentions a 4.39 time for him, but the link is dead, and it's prudent to assume the possibility that was hand-timed.

Jake Locker - Wikipedia

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Jake Locker - Tennessee Titans Quarterback - ESPN

View the profile of Tennessee Titans Quarterback Jake Locker on ESPN. Get the latest news, live stats and game highlights.

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That's faster than Kaepernick's fastest official electronically timed 40, who is listed in the OP, but Kaepernick was admired for his ungodly stride length and his ability to sustain his top speed like elite sprinters, not his (albeit still elite) acceleration.

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

The infamous bust Jake Locker has the fastest 40-yard dash by a white QB. He ran a 4.52 at an official NFL scouting event. There's even an obscure Cougars forum post linking an old Yardbarker article that mentions a 4.39 time for him, but the link is dead, and it's prudent to assume the possibility that was hand-timed.

Jake Locker - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Jake Locker - Tennessee Titans Quarterback - ESPN

View the profile of Tennessee Titans Quarterback Jake Locker on ESPN. Get the latest news, live stats and game highlights.

www.espn.com

That's faster than Kaepernick's fastest official electronically timed 40, who is listed in the OP, but Kaepernick was admired for his ungodly stride length and his ability to sustain his top speed like elite sprinters, not his (albeit still elite) acceleration.

The 40 has little to do with 100m, all that is about is acceleration. The 100m starts around the 55ish when these cats have hit their top end/max velocity, now speed endurance comes into play, how long can they sustain/maintan that topend?

Usan Bolt spent years running the 200m before ever running a 100m, so a guy who trains for 200m is going to have a whole other level of speed endurance, what's a mere 100m to a 200m guy? Now add his 6-5 stride.

Fast footballers can hang with world class sprinters in a 40, but at 55ish the sprinters start pulling away, they train for that speed endurance, footballers only don't.

Yes we have seen footballers like Tyreek Hill who were also college sprinters.

But, who really neds 100m speed on a football field, the 40 is more like it.

 

[Madmick]

The 40 has little to do with 100m, all that is about is acceleration. The 100m starts around the 55ish when these cats have hit their top end/max velocity, now speed endurance comes into play, how long can they sustain/maintan that topend?

Usan Bolt spent years running the 200m before ever running a 100m, so a guy who trains for 200m is going to have a whole other level of speed endurance, what's a mere 100m to a 200m guy? Now add his 6-5 stride.

Fast footballers can hang with world class sprinters in a 40, but at 55ish the sprinters start pulling away, they train for that speed endurance, footballers only don't.

Yes we have seen footballers like Tyreek Hill who were also college sprinters.

But, who really neds 100m speed on a football field, the 40 is more like it.

Indeed, which is why they test the 40, it's more relevant, the field is barely 100m long counting the endzones, acceleration matters more in the sport, but the thread's question is discussing speed, not mere acceleration, and besides, I made a note of the distinction, there. This is what I was talking about:

Colin Kaepernick and his Usain Bolt-like stride​

SANTA CLARA — There are times when Colin Kaepernick looks like he should be carrying a baton, not a football, with his progress measured in meters, not yards.

He looks like a track star — even to actual track stars.

“He’s a freak in the same way that Usain Bolt is a freak,” former Olympic sprinter Ato Boldon said.

Boldon, legendary Olympic hurdler Edwin Moses and noted track coach Fred Harvey were among those watching the 49ers’ playoff game last weekend when Kaepernick blazed for 181 rushing yards, a single-game NFL record for a quarterback.

So they were eager to play along this week when asked to analyze Kaepernick’s long-legged stride. Moses, a two-time Olympic gold medalist, even requested additional Kaepernick highlights so he could take a closer look.

Geographically, our track panel has this Sunday’s game between the 49ers and Falcons well represented: Boldon and Harvey have ties to the Bay Area, while Moses lives in Atlanta, the site of the NFC Championship Game.

The basic question for our running commentators: How can someone 6 feet 4 and 230 pounds be so dang fast?

“It tells me his biomechanics are really good,” said Moses, who won 400-meter gold medals at the 1976 and ’84 Olympics and who once won 122 consecutive races.

“And I’d bet a million dollars he’s done a lot of plyometrics in his life.”

Bingo! When Moses’ theory was relayed to Kaepernick, the quarterback confirmed that his training regimen includes plenty of plyometrics — exercises that demand fast, explosive movements. The quarterback does not, however, have any track experience. His running style is natural.

In the biggest play Jan. 12 at Candlestick Park, Kaepernick rolled around the right side of his offensive line and zoomed untouched for a 56-yard touchdown. It was the longest run by a quarterback in franchise history — the third time this season that Kaepernick has surpassed the old mark of 49 yards set by Steve Young.

According to a film review of the play by sports columnist Monte Poole of the Bay Area News Group, Kaepernick needed only 15 steps to cover the last 40 yards. In contrast, defensive back Charles Woodson of the Packers needed 20 steps over that same distance — and never came close to making the tackle.