forget tom, i dont think jones beats volkov or blaydes

[Luffy]

@OldBoy91

Jon does have a good jab, nobody said otherwise. It doesnt change the fact that Stipe was a walking heavy bag. And if Jon had any kind of power he would have taken him out onside of a round, Aspinall would have made light work of the Stipe that showed up for a paycheck last week.

And you had said that Stipe could barely dodge Jon Jones' attacks... Which is why I pointed out that he connected his jab early on, which isn't a downside on Stipe's reflexes, but the accuracy of his jab, that he uses with high accuracy to control the stances that better suits him to land other shots. He'd land a jab which I barely see him miss against any fighter, and then use the opportunity to adjust the octagon position to place hard kicks that had his tool sticking on Stipe's guts. That doesn't show any lack of reflexes from Stipe, it shows Jon Jones has a very good octagon position control understanding. Stipe still did quickly dodge a few jabs, which shows his reflexes were good.

Nobody said Stipe isn't tough either, but that's literally all he had left. No speed, no power, no defensive qualities whatsoever. The fact that Jon gassed, took round 2 off and it took him 3 rounds to take out that version of Miocic is a mark against him, not a sign of his greatness.

Lol at Jon having real KO power Because he rocked a 50 year old full time foreman that retired from MMA half a decade ago. Jon can't bust a grape

Wait, so you admit Stipe is tough... Which was also shown when he still had the energy to go one more round after taking 50 elbows... But then Jon Jones rocking Stipe with a jab and a right straight is not a testament to his improved KO power because... Stipe isn't tough anymore because he is 42 yo (not 50) ? So what is it, is Stipe tough or not?

What is more proof? You yourself said Stipe is pretty tough, specially his chin... But then JJ not putting down Stipe with a jab and a right cross, ""just"" hurting him badly, goes against Jon Jones when you acknowledge Stipe is tough, plus the fact he toughened up 50 elbows? Your logic doesn't make sense.

And yeah, Aspinall MIGHT have taken him quicker... But that means little because JJ dominated the fight still. It's like saying that Ankalaev, Rountree are better than JJ because they took lionheart quickly while JJ went to decision... JJ has few KO wins, the fact he still won with a KO left hell to the ribs shows the opposite actually, even after almost finishing Stipe in the ways he generally finishes, Stipe got saved by the belt, JJ still got the TKO win. Taking out a fighter quicker means nothing. Which is a hypothetical by the way, you don't know how fast it would be.

Stipe looked slow, but not in the start... Look at his first hook attempt and right straight... They were quick, little telegraphed punches that were quickly dodged by JJ.

JJ didn't even show he was getting tired... He was picking Stipe apart and seemed ready to go in the third round final moments until he ended it totally.

 

[Luffy]

I actually think we should listen to what Atlas says. Of course we should (tempered by the fact he is a boxing expert and not MMA).

But it's funny, as you highlight, how they listen absolutely to anyone who says Jon can do what he likes and Aspinal ain't no good, but dismiss all other commentators and former fighters who say it should be Tom etc

The hypocrisy is laughable

I'm not dismissing Aspinall. I'm actually thinking it'll be 50/50. I'm dismissing the narrative that Stipe sucked a lot and JJ just, again, picked a bad opponent a la 60 yo Tyson and therefore he actually made it look worse for him even, than before the fight. That's the narrative that seems BS to me.

 

[mister piscadinha]

a lot of you guys think in a very superficial way

"well stipe is hw goat, so if jones beat him it means jones is great at hw"

wheres the context applied?

stipe is 42 and has been washed for six years, jones struggled with a retired fighter

get it thru your tick heads, prime stipe was better then volkov and blaydes, sure

but prime stipe was ten years ago, right now he would get dominated by every top5 HW except maybe gane

 

[mister piscadinha]

Non-delusional Jones hater checking in.

Jones beats both of them, without excessive difficulty. Neither have been impressively lately.

Jones may be the best gameplanner in the history of the sport, building training camps around those strategies, and practicing completely new techniques he never used in any prior fight.

so you think jones struggling against a retired fighter was "impressive"?


"non-delusional hater" you're more delusional than i expected

 

[spinup]

Jon could be in the physical condition of Stipe Miocic and on fight IQ alone he'd still beat Curtis Blaydes.

Blaydes has only lost to power punchers so far. Which Jones isn't.

 

[Luffy]

so you think jones struggling against a retired fighter was "impressive"?


"non-delusional hater" you're more delusional than i expected

You mean Jon Jones who also had underwhelming performances in his last 2 HW fights, was away for 3 years, was injured for months and had only his second fight in HW? If Stipe was bad in terms of activity, prior performances, so was Jones. Stipe knew this would be his last and likely most important fight too... He wouldn't come under prepared knowing who he was facing and knowing what it could mean to him to beat JJ. JJ was as ring rusty, seemed in LHW away from his prime as well, had a surgery, second fight in HW... But the only one in bad situation there was Stipe.... Sure.

 

[Th3Sav4ge]

I've thought about it.

How would Jones deal with Volkov's size?

He would kick him from a distance? lol

Put his hand on his head lol

Enter a desperate Double/single leg ?
lol.

Horrible match up for Jon.

This would be the real fight in the heavyweights to see if he really has IQ...

jon taps volkov.

 

[Th3Sav4ge]

Tell me one thing,
do you think Santos is better than Volkov?

attributes matter, such as speed and reaction time. yes santos is a harder match up than volkov for jon jones

 

[mister piscadinha]

You mean Jon Jones who also had underwhelming performances in his last 2 HW fights, was away for 3 years, was injured for months and had only his second fight in HW? If Stipe was bad in terms of activity, prior performances, so was Jones. Stipe knew this would be his last and likely most important fight too... He wouldn't come under prepared knowing who he was facing and knowing what it could mean to him to beat JJ. JJ was as ring rusty, seemed in LHW away from his prime as well, had a surgery, second fight in HW... But the only one in bad situation there was Stipe.... Sure.

stipe is 42, his last fight was a ko loss in 2022
stop coping

 

[NoSmilez]

Blaydes has really low fight IQ. I can see him just standing on the outside for no real good reason.

 

[Qays Stetkevich]

Well, a Stipe that had already received 50 elbows in the first round? Do you remember how wobbly and slow Shogun looked as soon as JJ got him to the ground and landed FAR LESS elbows? It looked way slower than Miocic, if you rewatch the fight. Miocic was taken down quickly, got almost TKO'd and you expect him to be in his best condition afterwards. The fact he still could fight should prove that he was very, very tough,since 50 elbows, many from 12-6 position, from a HW Jon Jones is just smashing... I guess not though, maybe ppl just conveniently ignore that first round.

I think you're completely misreading/misunderstanding what I was saying. I was highlighting that Stipe was, as you say, already badly clobbered, and then got stunned/completely turned off, and even then Jones, with time to pick a shot and throw a power punch on Stipe's chin, still couldn't drop him. This, to me, is a testament both to Stipe's chin and Jone's relatively weak striking (fists), especially for HW.

 

[checktheknuckles]

I've thought about it.

How would Jones deal with Volkov's size?

He would kick him from a distance? lol

Put his hand on his head lol

Enter a desperate Double/single leg ?
lol.

Horrible match up for Jon.

This would be the real fight in the heavyweights to see if he really has IQ...

Yeah I see Volkov canceling out a lot of Jon's dirty tactics since Volk would be the bigger fighter. And we all know Jon won't ever take a fight like that.

 

[ThaiSexPills]

Forget Jones, I dont think Asp will beat Gane or Ngannou.

What the hell does Gane have for Tom? Certainly not grappling or power. Gane refused that fight for a reason. He only wants to fight fat, sloppy brawlers who can’t grapple and even then, Tuivasa was seconds way from a KO victory of all people.

There’s no HW Tom would beat easier than Gane. Francis is a wildcard though

 

[NextGen]

The only time I'd bet against Jones at HW with any confidence is against Aspinall.

As IMO Aspinall would be able to keep the fight standing and overwhelm Jones with power + speed + accuracy + calculated aggression.

Volkov, Blaydes... these guys are not the most athletic and have flaws and holes Jones can exploit.

 

[NextGen]

What the hell does Gane have for Tom? Certainly not grappling or power. Gane refused that fight for a reason. He only wants to fight fat, sloppy brawlers who can’t grapple and even then, Tuivasa was seconds way from a KO victory of all people.

There’s no HW Tom would beat easier than Gane. Francis is a wildcard though

Yea that was a ridiculous comment.

Gane doesn't have huge power and he would be at Aspinall's mercy since Aspinall can take him down any time he wants and probably end the fight in a hurry.

But even if he kept it standing, we saw Gane get rocked before. He wouldn't be able to take Tom's power for long.

 

[TheWizard]

Blaydes has only lost to power punchers so far. Which Jones isn't.

Jones would take Blaydes down and pound his face in. He'd also easily outstrike him on the feet.

 

[Shroud of turinabol]

Until proven otherwise I'm never betting against Jon Jones

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

he won't fight Tom because Tom's problematic area is striking defense, but because he's big young and athletic, it's going to be quite difficult for an old slow Jon Jones to capitalize on that. if it was grappling Jon would've signed for the fight yesterday.

 

[Azure]

Jones only fights guys he knows he can beat at this point.

 

[mkt]

What? Volkov can definitely grapple. He finished Tai with an Ezekiel choke lol. You don't pull that off if you don't know how to grapple.

And Blaydes has good striking. He just seems to lose confidence in it the more it goes in a fight for some reason, even when he's winning the striking easily. Like, against Black Beast he was clearly the better striker. He was outboxing him easily and hurting him. And then he just randomly panicked and went for naked td for absolutely no reason and got KOd haha.

Blaydes has randomly done a lot of stupid things and got finished. It's almost like it's a pattern.