Does Weili have Dana White privilege?

[mashonkeyboard]

The only other title fight that makes sense is a trilogy of Carla/Rose, but that sounds super stupid right now because of how the last one went. Looking at the top its Rose who Carla just beat, then Weili (actual next fight), Marina (Carla has already beaten, why are people ignoring this), Mackenzie Dern (i mean really? ), Yanxiaonan Carla just beat and Jessica (which is a legitimately interesting fight that no one is calling for and is also fighting in flyweight right now).

Weili is actually the only fight that makes sense in the whole division, even without that performance over Joanna.

 

[sfer1]

The only other title fight that makes sense is a trilogy of Carla/Rose, but that sounds super stupid right now because of how the last one went. Looking at the top its Rose who Carla just beat, then Weili (actual next fight), Marina (Carla has already beaten, why are people ignoring this), Mackenzie Dern (i mean really? ), Yanxiaonan Carla just beat and Jessica (which is a legitimately interesting fight that no one is calling for and is also fighting in flyweight right now).

Weili is actually the only fight that makes sense in the whole division, even without that performance over Joanna.

Why are people ignoring Carla "beat" Marina? Because she didn't beat her. She didn't beat Waterson and Grasso either. Winning a fight and getting gifted the decision aren't the same thing.

Considering how the last Rose vs Carla went, I think it would make perfect sense for them to have to actually fight for the title. What we saw wasn't a fight and no one deserved to go home with the belt.

 

[mashonkeyboard]

Why are people ignoring Carla "beat" Marina? Because she didn't beat her. She didn't beat Waterson and Grasso either. Winning a fight and getting gifted the decision aren't the same thing.

Considering how the last Rose vs Carla went, I think it would make perfect sense for them to have to actually fight for the title. What we saw wasn't a fight and no one deserved to home with the belt.

She didn't beat them is just your opinion, what matters is that the fight record was set as 1-0 Carla vs Marina, theres no getting around that. It won't make sense to run back another split decision fight to replace the Carla Rose split decision fight. These fights sucked, which is why Weili is getting the shot.

The UFC is very clear about how rematches work, if you have a fun match and theres a market for the rematch, you get it. If your first one is a stinker then even if it makes sense ranking/matchup wise you won't get it. Rose vs Joanna 1 was fun, it ended in a cool finish, left a lot of questions, run that back. Same for Rose vs Weili. Weili Joanna 1 was an all time great, run that back because thats guaranteed fireworks, and it delivered.

People who are promoting the idea that Carla vs Marina makes more sense than Carla vs Weili is forgetting that the first fight sucked and its already in the books, nobody is gonna pay to see that again. Thats my point. Just like Carla vs Rose even though it makes more sense than Carla Marina, they are not getting booked for the exact same reason. The only fight that is both justifiable in terms of rankings and bringing in the viewers is Carla Weili, the other ones aren't even close. If Rose Carla didn't suck so much that would have been the fight to make, now its basically impossible. Rose would need to finish some other girl or Weili would need to be the champ and not Carla. If you want your girl Rose to get an "immediate" title shot, have her sit out until Weili Carla, Weili wins, Rose fights Weili for the championship.

Anything short of that timeline Rose needs 1 more fight in between, probably against Marina actually. If she finishes her or wins dominantly she would get next even if its vs Carla if Carla wins vs Weili..

 

[sfer1]

She didn't beat them is just your opinion, what matters is that the fight record was set as 1-0 Carla vs Marina, theres no getting around that. It won't make sense to run back another split decision fight to replace the Carla Rose split decision fight. These fights sucked, which is why Weili is getting the shot.

The UFC is very clear about how rematches work, if you have a fun match and theres a market for the rematch, you get it. If your first one is a stinker then even if it makes sense ranking/matchup wise you won't get it. Rose vs Joanna 1 was fun, it ended in a cool finish, left a lot of questions, run that back. Same for Rose vs Weili. Weili Joanna 1 was an all time great, run that back because thats guaranteed fireworks, and it delivered.

People who are promoting the idea that Carla vs Marina makes more sense than Carla vs Weili is forgetting that the first fight sucked and its already in the books, nobody is gonna pay to see that again. Thats my point. Just like Carla vs Rose even though it makes more sense than Carla Marina, they are not getting booked for the exact same reason. The only fight that is both justifiable in terms of rankings and bringing in the viewers is Carla Weili, the other ones aren't even close. If Rose Carla didn't suck so much that would have been the fight to make, now its basically impossible. Rose would need to finish some other girl or Weili would need to be the champ and not Carla. If you want your girl Rose to get an "immediate" title shot, have her sit out until Weili Carla, Weili wins, Rose fights Weili for the championship.

Anything short of that timeline Rose needs 1 more fight in between, probably against Marina actually. If she finishes her or wins dominantly she would get next even if its vs Carla if Carla wins vs Weili..

So, you're basically saying everyone gets an immediate rematch but Rose. Getting slept in the first round like Joanna and Weili doesn't make you more deserving of a title shot than losing a coin toss decision.

 

[Better Every Day]

So, you're basically saying everyone gets an immediate rematch but Rose. Getting slept in the first round like Joanna and Weili doesn't make you more deserving of a title shot than losing a coin toss decision.

Deserving or not is not the entire issue with UFC match-making. The UFC is not a "pure" sport organization. The UFC is also an entertainment organization that has a goal of making money. Entertainment value correlates with money-making value, and money-making value strongly influences the UFC's match-making.

 

[Bouboumaster]

On the political spectrum, White is straight up in the middle: friend of a communist but he also enslaves his employees with low ass wages

So it's all good in the end

 

[Do better]

Weili, coming off of back to back title losses, gets a title shot after beating Joanna, who hasn't fought in 2 years?

Has she done enough to warrant a title shot or do you think she needs a few more fights first?

Well let's go over the facts, didn't earn the shot to begin with but erased the bullshit by winning emphatically, lost the title immediately, got a rematch without earning it and lost, promised a titleshot with a victory over an opponent that is seemingly way out of the title picture! When you write it out it seems like Dana White privilege is in full effect! I am talking about Weili and not Garbrandt in case you're wondering

 

[TrueBias]

Does KO or TKO really matter? The difference is incredibly arbitrary fight to fight. Not to mention Rose put her out cold for a sec anyways.

Yes.

 

[woodsideQ]

Yes she does

She is the UFC’s biggest Chinese star

And they are aggressively attempting to grow in that region. Dana is going to everything in his power to make her a star.

Marketing wise she is probably the most important fighter to the UFC Brass

but will many chinese fans pay $79.99 for a PPV?

 

[woodsideQ]

It’s just business.

Obviously they want that market. Building a PI over there and staffing it should have been a big clue. All they needed was a Chinese star. And Weili dropped the ball. So they are giving her a quick route back. Beating Joanna like that was no joke. The domination in the wrestling was very surprising to me. Joanna is famous for her tdd and ability to get back up quickly.

So it’s half earned/half not. But also remember.. Joanna would have been getting the TS with a win as well, and the first fight was close. And Joanna hadn’t fought in 2 years.

The UFC just wants anybody but Carla as the champ. And I’m sure they’re very happy that Weili is the one getting the shot.

JJ not the same since the +2's.
and Carla won....ouch UFC

 

[Bowel-forged Stool]

Ofc. She’s from the country with the biggest population

 

[Better Every Day]

but will many chinese fans pay $79.99 for a PPV?

I don't think that is the way that the UFC earns its money in China.


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https://www.yahoo.com/video/ufc-five-chinese-media-deal-161337967.html

 

[Dreyga Hates You Sherbums]

but will many chinese fans pay $79.99 for a PPV?

The UFC monetizes it’s product differently in different regions, while Chinese fans don’t pay for PPV UFC leverages viewership numbers to negotiate large TV deals in that region

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UFC star Weili Zhang’s win over Joanna Jedrzejczyk at UFC 248 is believed to have made a Chinese broadcasting company over $57.5 million.

As reported by the New York Post a few months back, the UFC now wants $20 million per year from PPTV — or a general Chinese broadcaster — for a total of $100 million across a five-year period. Their current deal, which came into effect back in 2016, would therefore be ending by the time we hit 2021.

Source:https://www.bjpenn.com/mma-news/ufc...akes-millions-off-ufc-248-due-to-weili-zhang/

 

[Dreyga Hates You Sherbums]

Marina didn"t lose to Carla. It was 1 of the 3 controversial decisions in Carla's 5 "win" streak before facing Rose.

Marina definitely lost to Carla

Judges made right call

 

[Gigaton Punch]

Obviously yes but also that was an all time KO for WMMA you need to take advantage of that and go to the title fight. These ladies don't typically have huge highlight reel wins like that

 

[Thepaintbucket]

She's exciting, former champion and will help with the Asian market. Tough luck if you can't match that. Matchmaking is everything in this sport

Besides WMMA is paperthin so it doesn't bother me

 

[ForeverYoung]

Weili has the China White privilege. The UFC wants so desperately to find a Chinese fighter who doesn't get KOd by the slightest gust of wind.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Marina has already lost to Carla, in 2020, right before Carla beat Yan Xiaonan and Rose. So if Marina fights Carla again it is a rematch after a loss. Weili, on the other hand has never lost to Carla, and in fact she has not lost to anybody at all other than Rose.

Then Rose is the number 1 contender and should get her rematch. If that's the logic you want to use.

Additionally, (ignoring the fact a previous loss to the champ doesn't disqualify you from earning your shot, something that shouldn't need to be explained to anyone), no one can use both arguments that Marina lost to Carla, and shouldn't get the shot after a bad performance against Yan

 

[Better Every Day]

Then Rose is the number 1 contender and should get her rematch. If that's the logic you want to use.

Additionally, (ignoring the fact a previous loss to the champ doesn't disqualify you from earning your shot, something that shouldn't need to be explained to anyone), no one can use both arguments that Marina lost to Carla, and shouldn't get the shot after a bad performance against Yan

I think that Dana wants to punish both Rose and Carla for their awful stinker of a fight.

He'll punish Rose by forcing her to fight her way through various opponents if she wants to get a rematch.

He'll punish Carla by matching her with an opponent (Weili) that he thinks is very likely to defeat her, and he won't give Carla a rematch when she loses. He also won't match Marina with Carla because Marina has shown that she can lose to Carla, and Dana wants to take no chances that Carla might win and remain as champion.

THAT'S my logic.

 

[NicholasJBasile]

I like Weili, but she absolutely has privelage imo