Dana needs to forgive Arman: when history is on the making, it has to be made.

[Domitian]

"Repeatedly"? My understanding is that he was only offered the bout agreement once prior, and he asked that the date be moved a bit and the UFC said "no" so he declined. Is there documentation that he was "repeatedly" turning it down? If so...yeah that's an issue.

Anyway I'm not all that interested in "fault" or assessing blame. I just want to see the best fights. If Arman officially turns it down again or pulls out after agreeing, yeah the UFC would just need to move on. But make another effort to give us the best LW fight.

This is what Islam had to say back in April when Arman turned down the fight. I don't want to accuse anybody of ducking but that's certainly what it looks like. I mean, Dana can't force Arman to get in the cage with Islam and take his L.

"I'm not surprised [he turned it down] because this guy talks about rematch all his life, but... This is maybe the 3rd or 4th time UFC gave him a chance to fight me and he said no... The UFC told me 'We give you opponent after UFC 300' I knew if Arman beat Oliveira he [would] never take this fight."

 

[mkess101]

This is what Islam had to say back in April when Arman turned down the fight. I don't want to accuse anybody of ducking but that's certainly what it looks like. I mean, Dana can't force Arman to get in the cage with Islam and take his L.

"I'm not surprised [he turned it down] because this guy talks about rematch all his life, but... This is maybe the 3rd or 4th time UFC gave him a chance to fight me and he said no... The UFC told me 'We give you opponent after UFC 300' I knew if Arman beat Oliveira he [would] never take this fight."

So it's just what Islam said? With no context? Yeah...I assumed there was some sort of documented bout agreements offered or something. Guys talk all the time. Doesn’t even mean Islam himself is lying, either. Someone tells him "Arman was offered the fight" and Islam assumes they're being truthful or know what they're talking about and maybe it's not accurate.

Not sure why Arman would be ducking either. He has a loss to Islam already so it's not like he's protecting an unbeaten record. He was competitive and didn't really take any damage so it's not like he'd be worried about being run through.

If anything, I think Arman is kind of a spoiled rich kid that's used to having things his way. He wants the best conditions possible and thinks he has the juice to get them. Obviously he's dedicated and talented, you don't get to where he is without those things but he's not fighting for his livelihood. He drives nicer cars than Dana FFS. But he better learn the UFC won't wait for him. The brand is bigger than any fighter, and he's not even a champ.

 

[Domitian]

So it's just what Islam said? With no context? Yeah...I assumed there was some sort of documented bout agreements offered or something. Guys talk all the time. Doesn’t even mean Islam himself is lying, either. Someone tells him "Arman was offered the fight" and Islam assumes they're being truthful or know what they're talking about and maybe it's not accurate.

Not sure why Arman would be ducking either. He has a loss to Islam already so it's not like he's protecting an unbeaten record. He was competitive and didn't really take any damage so it's not like he'd be worried about being run through.

If anything, I think Arman is kind of a spoiled rich kid that's used to having things his way. He wants the best conditions possible and thinks he has the juice to get them. Obviously he's dedicated and talented, you don't get to where he is without those things but he's not fighting for his livelihood. He drives nicer cars than Dana FFS. But he better learn the UFC won't wait for him. The brand is bigger than any fighter, and he's not even a champ.

That's the thing, Arman needs 100% perfect conditions to step in the cage with Islam and that's not really Dana's problem. UFC can easily just throw their hands up and feel like they tried over and over. Arman isn't even arguing against not getting the title shot next, either.

 

[RockyLockridge]

That's the thing, Arman needs 100% perfect conditions to step in the cage with Islam and that's not really Dana's problem. UFC can easily just throw their hands up and feel like they tried over and over. Arman isn't even arguing against not getting the title shot next, either.

having to fight charles and islam in a 7 week span isn't asking for perfect conditions it's a scummy move managers make to get easier match ups. Izzy did it to dricus too. back fired when he lost to strickland. That's how Islam got the dustin fight. same thing except islam beat dustin

 

[mkess101]

That's the thing, Arman needs 100% perfect conditions to step in the cage with Islam and that's not really Dana's problem. UFC can easily just throw their hands up and feel like they tried over and over. Arman isn't even arguing against not getting the title shot next, either.

Again, no clue if they tried "over and over". Maybe, maybe not.

But I'm not arguing on behalf of Arman, Dana, or Islam. I'm saying what I want as a fan. Arman is clearly the best challenge Islam has, so unless they can document that he truly doesn't want the fight, try to make it happen again. I think Arman figured out he put them in a bad spot and that demanding to still be next would look horrible. So he's now finally being humble and saying he understands if he's not next. Which is fine imo.

Islam vs Charles rematch. Arman vs winner of Gaethje/Hooker. Do both in summer. Then just have the winners fight. I get that Arman maybe blew his chance to be next, so have him get one win and then a title shot.

 

[mkess101]

having to fight charles and islam in a 7 week span isn't asking for perfect conditions it's a scummy move managers make to get easier match ups. Izzy did it to dricus too. back fired when he lost to strickland. That's how Islam got the dustin fight. same thing except islam beat dustin

Wait they offered Arman to fight 7 weeks after he fought Charles? I thought it was like 12 weeks so he could have a little recovery time and then a full camp?

If it's actually 7 weeks that's stupid, and nobody should blame Arman for turning it down.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Wait they offered Arman to fight 7 weeks after he fought Charles? I thought it was like 12 weeks so he could have a little recovery time and then a full camp?

If it's actually 7 weeks that's stupid, and nobody should blame Arman for turning it down.

Nope, Fought charles at 300 in april, Wanted to make the fight June 2nd at UFC 302 not even 2 full months.

same with Dricus had him fight whittaker in July wanted him to fight izzy in september only 7 weeks away

 

[rjmbrd]

Arman is clearly the #1 contender and history demands Islam x Arman.

Any other fight right now is worse for the sport. Frankly all of the Arman hate here is bizarre, in 12 UFC fights he's pulled out ONE time. He's had two opponents drop out on him and he fought replacements.

Islam has cancelled more fights than Arman. What are we even talking about here? The two best lightweights should fight.

 

[mkess101]

Nope, Fought charles at 300 in april, Wanted to make the fight June 2nd at UFC 302 not even 2 full months.

same with Dricus had him fight whittaker in July wanted him to fight izzy in september only 7 weeks away

Okay that's ridiculous. Nobody should be blamed for turning down a title fight under those conditions.

 

[Conan the K-9]

Islam needs a new name to his resume.

Sick of these rematches.

Only thing he needs to his LW resume is a number one contender (no matter name or if it’s a rematch), in best case scenario two. Anyone else doesn’t add anything to his already weak resume.

It’s a different story if he vacates, goes up and forgets about LW. Then he can have someone from the top 10-5 at WW or MW. Sadly don’t see that happening.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Arman is clearly the #1 contender and history demands Islam x Arman.

Any other fight right now is worse for the sport. Frankly all of the Arman hate here is bizarre, in 12 UFC fights he's pulled out ONE time. He's had two opponents drop out on him and he fought replacements.

Islam has cancelled more fights than Arman. What are we even talking about here? The two best lightweights should fight.

It's not Armen hate its Islam love

 

[bigfootsbreath]

Like I said, most of the roster is already like that. Hell half of the PrideFC fighters who came over were worst. You have to look at Khabibs record prior to the UFC as regional fights, because he was fighting the best the gap between his skills and the rest were quite large. But I guess that doesn’t matter right? Only his record prior to the UFC matters right? Clearly you’re just a hater and created this account to let you inner insecurities out.

Wrong yet again. Khabibby had the weakest non UFC schedule ever. Imagine if all the UFC fighters fought a bunch of cans like khabibby before entering the UFC. No where why khabibby ran away when he had to start fighting non canners.

 

[HockeyBjj]

Don't need to see Arman miss weight again

People who miss weight need to either move up, or face a step down opponent on a fight night so they can prove they won't fuck up another PPV

 

[Rubios]

Any (f)actual info on Arman?

Was it a bad weight cut or indeed a back injury flared up at the worst moment?

 

[volcom5]

Wrong yet again. Khabibby had the weakest non UFC schedule ever. Imagine if all the UFC fighters fought a bunch of cans like khabibby before entering the UFC. No where why khabibby ran away when he had to start fighting non canners.

Charles Oliviera fought a bunch of cans before entering the UFC and lost in his debut.

It’s pretty pathetic and a sign of mental illness to take time to create emails and an another account just to shit on a person you have no connection to.

 

[bigfootsbreath]

Charles Oliviera fought a bunch of cans before entering the UFC and lost in his debut.

It’s pretty pathetic and a sign of mental illness to take time to create emails and an another account just to shit on a person you have no connection to.

No one had an easier path of cans than khababby.