What does Islam need to do to please you?

[TriangleMonkey]

I’d like for him to go up and submit Belal in the first round like he does at practice all the time and take the belch before skirtin’ out on his Husqvarna into the mountains for good

 

[richardjohnson]

- Makes Arman try and do a 6 week turnaround to arbitrarily fight him in June when Islam's suddenly only now available instead of just fighting on a reasonable date for both of them instead of only Islam being fresh
- Makes Arman try to fight someone else in the fall 2024 despite clearly being #1 contender after beating Charles in April
- Ends up taking 9 months from then to finally try and fight Arman
- 3 months after that fight fell through last minute he hasn't asked for the rematch and is instead once again asking Arman to fight someone else again before he'll fight him
- Meanwhile Islam isn't fighting anybody himself in the meantime to at least somewhat justify why he isn't fighting the #1 contender

Bruddah it's beyond obvious, as it has been his entire run, that Islam is sitting out like he always does so that other fighters will do his job for him and he can sweep up the pieces.

And it's going to be even more annoying if JDM does beat Belal and Islam moves up and we've wasted this entire year at LW without getting one proper LW defence instead of just having defended this summer like he's perfectly capable of. The Moicano business wasn't his fault, but sitting out the summer is.

So you think Islam should be begging to fight someone that the UFC has already said he won't be fighting? And because he's not he's now at fault for Arman screwing himself over by pulling out? Why couldn't Arman show up to fight like he agreed to do, and like Islam did? Trying to spin this whole thing into being Islam's fault is an all time retarded take.

 

[13Seconds]

To please me? I don't think I can type that without getting banned tbh

 

[Eater of Souls]

Well, he is welcome to help me put up new siding next week. This would please me beyond words.

 

[cws80us]

lslam is a bit of an enigma. On the 1 hand, he does have the record for most LW title defenses, but on the other hand 2 were short notice replacements. He's looked dominant at times but has been taken to the limit by a 145er and a guy at the end of his career. He's also gotten some breaks by no fault of his own and avoided the top guys in the division. Arman pulling out at the last minute, Justin accepting the fight at 300 and being ktfo. Arguably you could say the 2nd Volk fight and the Moicano fight don't count. He's also fairly inactive with layoffs of 6 months, 8 months, and 8 months between his last 3 fights. I do give him credit for wanting to move up and challenge for the WW title, and I think Illia needs to earn a shot at the LW title. He hasn't earned an immediate shot on my opinion with just 1 FW title defense.

 

[nonoob]

Be a Merican

 

[dildos]

Beat a few top ranked lightweights as champ I guess..

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

Denounce his religion, change his name, grow his hair out and win a second title. Come on, Islam. You can do it!

 

[markg171]

So you think Islam should be begging to fight someone that the UFC has already said he won't be fighting? And because he's not he's now at fault for Arman screwing himself over by pulling out? Why couldn't Arman show up to fight like he agreed to do, and like Islam did? Trying to spin this whole thing into being Islam's fault is an all time retarded take.

I like how you completely skipped over my last point that even IF you think Islam doesn't have to fight his #1 contender Arman, which seems to be your take here, that doesn't excuse why he's sitting around doing fuck all right now instead of just defending against the next guy in line then.

Arman's not getting next? Fine. STFU and sign against Ilia, Charles, Max, Justin, or Paddy if he beats Chandler then. Arman not being next because the UFC says so, which Islam seems to be fine with (shocker), doesn't give him an excuse to simply wait for Arman to win another fight while he does fuck all in the meantime.

Islam is perfectly capable of defending this summer against tons of worthy opponents. And yet he's not. He's sitting here doing fuck all waiting for them to fight each other instead. This is exactly what I mean when I say you guys bury your heads in the sands at Islam's very, very, very obvious machinations.

 

[richardjohnson]

I like how you completely skipped over my last point that even IF you think Islam doesn't have to fight his #1 contender Arman, which seems to be your take here, that doesn't excuse why he's sitting around doing fuck all right now instead of just defending against the next guy in line then.

Arman's not getting next? Fine. STFU and sign against Ilia, Charles, Max, Justin, or Paddy if he beats Chandler then. Arman not being next because the UFC says so, which Islam seems to be fine with (shocker), doesn't give him an excuse to simply wait for Arman to win another fight while he does fuck all in the meantime.

Islam is perfectly capable of defending this summer against tons of worthy opponents. And yet he's not. He's sitting here doing fuck all waiting for them to fight each other instead. This is exactly what I mean when I say you guys bury your heads in the sands at Islam's very, very, very obvious machinations.

I’ve said the entire time that the UFC should just suck it up and remake Islam vs Arman but they obviously aren’t and it’d be a waste of time for Islam to ask for a fight that won’t happen. Do you honestly think that if the UFC was trying to rebook him vs Arman and had no interest in giving him a WW TS he’d be turning it down?

And get real with those potential matchups, plenty of them I’d like to see but they all would be met with criticism from the usual Islam haters. “Ilia’s a FW”, “He already beat Charles”, “Justin has no grappling ability”, “Chandlers washed” etc.

 

[markg171]

I’ve said the entire time that the UFC should just suck it up and remake Islam vs Arman but they obviously aren’t and it’d be a waste of time for Islam to ask for a fight that won’t happen. Do you honestly think that if the UFC was trying to rebook him vs Arman and had no interest in giving him a WW TS he’d be turning it down?

And get real with those potential matchups, plenty of them I’d like to see but they all would be met with criticism from the usual Islam haters. “Ilia’s a FW”, “He already beat Charles”, “Justin has no grappling ability”, “Chandlers washed” etc.

So yes, I was correct in saying that you think it's perfectly fine that Islam just sits out this whole time instead.

Got it.

 

[BangBang]

Nothing. He's the no 1 P4P

 

[agibmxmma]

A bit of context.
Islam has the record for most LW defenses*, is one win away to match AS' record** and the #1 P4P since a long time.

*He won the belt convincingly, to say the least, against Charles. When he fought Volk the first time, that fight made total sense: Volk had 4 defenses, just put a clinic on Max, and was considered by many (including me) as the best UFC fighter back then.
In fact, Volk kept the #1 P4P and came down again to defend against Yair beating him easily.

Even if Charles just had two defenses (I'm counting the one vs JG even if he didn't make weight), Islam accepted a rematch.
But Charles got injured and he faced Volk on short notice. Bad decision from Volk, not his fault.

He should've fought Gaethje, the #1 contender, but he got badly KOed @ 300. Not his fault.
So he fought Dustin.

He should've fought Arman, but he pulled out. Not his fault.
I'm sure Islam and his team asked for and immediate date vs Arman, but Dana did what Dana does and punished Arman to "deserve" another shot.

People insist that he needs to fight Ilia. Ilia is hot right now, and rightfully so, but once the dust settles Volk will stand as the #2 FW ever (#1 even if he gets to regain the belt). Years from now, if Islam fought Ilia, it will loom against him as "another FW moving up".

**I know it's Jones, but the record books say otherwise.


I believe Belal will beat JDM, so Islam will fight again @ 155. I hope it's against Arman, as he is IMO the only stone unturned.

But if JDM becomes champ, he moves up and becomes double champ, Shavkat is next.
Doesn't Shavkat makes up for the Arman fight?

Casuals need him to "please" them. Actual Combat Sports fans, appreciate any Fighter through his wins and losses. As Combat Sports fans are fans of the sport, the fighters are just other Martial Artists, no need to favor one or be a fan of another. Just appreciate their skill sets and mentality when competing, as true Martial Artists and actual Combat Sports fans, do as the normal. Only thing true Combat Sports fans and Martial Artists don't respect is ped use.. in which Islam has popped dirty in the past. Which like Silva and Jones before him, exclude him from any GOAT or P4P talks in the end.

 

[OmegaRugal]

The only one I don’t want to see is Gaethje, we all know he’d get taken down and subbed easily… we don’t have many Islam fights left, Gaethje would be such a waste

Justin defended against almost all of Khabib’s attempts in the first round and tagged him HARD multiple times.

Khabib’s chin saved him. Khabib officially lost that round btw.

Not sure of Islam can do that same first round and survive.

Of course Islam is a better striker so more for Justin to worry about but if Justin tags him like he did Khabib … it will be “and New”

 

[richardjohnson]

So yes, I was correct in saying that you think it's perfectly fine that Islam just sits out this whole time instead.

Got it.

That’s not what I said but ok..

Keep in mind this discussion started because your dumbass tried to claim it was Islam’s fault that Arman isn’t getting a TS, and when you couldn’t continue with that shitty narrative you shifted the goalpost completely to “well he should be fighting someone else”.

 

[markg171]

Justin defended against almost all of Khabib’s attempts in the first round and tagged him HARD multiple times.

Khabib’s chin saved him. Khabib officially lost that round btw.

Not sure of Islam can do that same first round and survive.

Of course Islam is a better striker so more for Justin to worry about but if Justin tags him like he did Khabib … it will be “and New”

lol Khabib won the striking in round 1, let alone the grappling. He had Justin on his back foot the whole round.

Anybody defending those absolutely egregious score cards for Justin is insane.

 

[markg171]

That’s not what I said but ok..

Keep in mind this discussion started because your dumbass tried to claim it was Islam’s fault that Arman isn’t getting a TS, and when you couldn’t continue with that shitty narrative you shifted the goalpost completely to “well he should be fighting someone else”.

I’m still waiting for you to say that Islam should be fighting someone else this summer if he won’t call out Arman himself. Islam is perfectly capable of saying “I want Arman but if that’s apparently not happening I’ll defend against XYZ instead this summer”

You won’t because we both know that you’re perfectly happy with Islam sitting out until he can swoop in on whoever’s left after they beat each other up for him.

 

[OmegaRugal]

lol Khabib won the striking in round 1, let alone the grappling. He had Justin on his back foot the whole round.

Anybody defending those absolutely egregious score cards for Justin is insane.

The stats favor Justin other than takedowns.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

Justin defended against almost all of Khabib’s attempts in the first round and tagged him HARD multiple times.

Khabib’s chin saved him. Khabib officially lost that round btw.

Not sure of Islam can do that same first round and survive.

Of course Islam is a better striker so more for Justin to worry about but if Justin tags him like he did Khabib … it will be “and New”

I would need to rewatch it, but I don’t remember Khabib shooting much, just walking Justin down for a round while Gaethje gassed himself out desperately back pedaling

And I don’t remember Khabib’s chin saving him lol I don’t think Gaethje landed anything that significant other than potentially some of the let kicks

Then Khabib easily took him down and subbed him the next round, which is what Islam would do

 

[markg171]

The stats favor Justin other than takedowns.

It's literally all from leg kicks. That never stopped Khabib from walking Justin down the entire round while he frantically runs away, outstrinking him to the head and body, taking him down, and then would've subbed him had the round not ended. Even IF you wanted to say the striking was even before the TD the TD would have to give the round to Khabib.

Anybody defending giving Justin a 10-9 that round should never be taken seriously.

I would need to rewatch it, but I don’t remember Khabib shooting much, just walking Justin down for a round while Gaethje gassed himself out desperately back pedaling

And I don’t remember Khabib’s chin saving him lol I don’t think Gaethje landed anything that significant other than potentially some of the let kicks

Then Khabib easily took him down and subbed him the next round, which is what Islam would do

People saying Khabib ate bombs from Justin need their eyes checked. That 1 upper cut everybody cites hits Khabib's chest, not chin (Anik even immediately "nice body shot"). The followup hook then just grazes his nose and lips instead of connecting solidly to his dome. Things that COULD HAVE been bad =/= actually were. You don't get points for missing and/or ineffective strikes.

It's a very easy round to score for Khabib.