Could Aspinall beat Gane?

[MMAFanCal]

It won't even be a fight. Aspinall completely demolishes Gane.

Just look at Aspinall's fight against Volkov and then watch Gane's fight against Volkov. Aspinall demolished Volkov with ease while Gane went life and death with Volkov and lost the fight. Everyone agrees he was given a gift decision and that Volkov was robbed.

 

[CatchtheseHands]

I think Gane does not care much about his mma career anymore. He will have few more fights, he will be well compensated for those and he will end up in the sunset soon. Win or lose i dont think he really cares. If he would have cared, if he really wanted to become ufc undisputed champ, he would have spent the last 2 years to train like crazy, believe me its not the case at all

Unfortunately Gane is one of those very athletically gifted and talented guys who are too content with getting by on their innate abilities instead of trying to make any real effort to improve. That is what separates guys like francis from Gane. Both got into training and fighting at a later age but Francis is so much more successful than Gane because he puts the work in despite not needing to as he also very physically and athletically gifted..

 

[SuperAlly]

Tom has taken down Alan Baudot, Arlovski, and Volkov. Yet for some reason people have attributed him with great wrestling. Gane actually took Volkov down as many times as Tom has in his last fight. Also Tom has only defended 2 takedowns in his UFC career against a 10 day last minute Spivac in 1 round.


Gane has taken down Don'Tale Mayes, Rozenstruik, Ngannou, Volkov. Defended takedowns from Raphael Pessoa (2x), JDS, Volkov (4x), Lewis, Ngannou, Spivac, Volkov (2x).

It's very bizarre how much Tom's wrestling gets used as a fact with no history, while Gane is constantly referred as a white belt with no wrestling with much more history. I think if Gane keeps it standing it's going to be a tough fight for Aspinall. Also I don't think Aspinall is a lock for grinding out Gane like everyone else thinks so.

Ganes fight with Volkov went the distance

Tom's was a minute or 2 probably

Edit: just checked. Gane and Volkov have fought for half an hour. Tom and Volkov 3mins 45s

It's such a dumb comparison.

Tom probably only needed one takedown and then match over.

It's hard to remember with Tom stopping 90% of opponents in first round. They all feel fairly similar

 

[Tweak896]

Ganes fight with Volkov went the distance

Tom's was a minute or 2 probably

Edit: just checked. Gane and Volkov have fought for half an hour. Tom and Volkov 3mins 45s

It's such a dumb comparison.

Tom probably only needed one takedown and then match over.

It's hard to remember with Tom stopping 90% of opponents in first round. They all feel fairly similar

My only point is Gane has more stats backing up his wrestling and submissions than Aspinall. Yet people are giving Tom skills he hasn't proven yet. He's a quick and power striker with good boxing. Atleast good enough wrestling to handle the opponents he has already. But there is a possibility that Gane might have good enough TDD against Tom.

 

[omawho402]

Good matchups, I would favor Gane.

 

[VAfan]

the only way gane wins is under kickboxing rules. it's an mma fight and he's barely an mma fighter, he's basically a kickboxer competing in a cage.

 

[KO Shotz]

Aspinall is ducking Gane. That's why he keeps pretending to want the old man Jones fight

Bruh, in a thread a couple weeks ago there was a poster saying the same thing lol that Tom is ducking Gane with this whole Jon Jones situation. The more & more I think about it the more it makes sense.

 

[fzoid4454]

Depends. If Aspinall goes grappling-heavy and tries to beat Gane by taking him to the ground, he handles that, if successful.

If he tries to primarily outstrike Gane, no one has pulled that off yet, in the UFC. Gane probably wins if it stays on the feet.

 

[wolffanghameha]

Just power. But Sherdoggers will try to convince you he's a HW Khabib because he has a football tackle style takedown he mixes in sometimes against low level grapplers. Gane has subbed low level guys himself, he struggled only against Ngannou and Jones, the likes of which Aspinall has never experienced.

Stuart Austin literally manhandled him like a child in the wrestling aspect. Creepy fanboy Sherdoggers will try to deny reality and convince you that Aspinall was winning the whole fight until a miracle sub because he had a little flurry right before that, but if you actually watch the fight he got bullied.

Do you think fighters don't improve in 10 years? Tf?

 

[snaportap21]

im curious. Gane is a better striker, what advantages would Tom have?

Gane is not the better striker, Tai dropped Gane. They’re about even, maybe Tom had the edge.

 

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[mkess101]

Depends. If Aspinall goes grappling-heavy and tries to beat Gane by taking him to the ground, he handles that, if successful.

If he tries to primarily outstrike Gane, no one has pulled that off yet, in the UFC. Gane probably wins if it stays on the feet.

No one has pulled off even surviving Aspinall on the feet. (Arlovski turtles against the cage basically begging Tom to take him down and sub him when Tom started teeing off in rd 2). Tuivasa was a whisper away from putting Gane to sleep.

Not sure why we'd favor Gane on the feet either. Aspinall is faster and has more power. Gane to his credit is more defensively sound, but I tend to doubt that's enough to overcome the speed and power disadvantage.

 

[Cartiac]

My only point is Gane has more stats backing up his wrestling and submissions than Aspinall. Yet people are giving Tom skills he hasn't proven yet. He's a quick and power striker with good boxing. Atleast good enough wrestling to handle the opponents he has already. But there is a possibility that Gane might have good enough TDD against Tom.

Gane has also shown stamina and high volume striking while Tom has not and even shown severe lack of those abilities.

Consider the Arlovski fight when Tom hurt Arlovski quick but Arlovski didn't go down. Tom threw a short "flurry" of punches with zero sophistication and completely gassed himself resorting to just some weak body slaps and then hugging the second half of the round trying to recover.

Tom will not get a quick KO against Gane and if his stamina has not extremely improved he will be a sitting duck very fast and get smoked by Gane.

 

[mkess101]

My only point is Gane has more stats backing up his wrestling and submissions than Aspinall. Yet people are giving Tom skills he hasn't proven yet. He's a quick and power striker with good boxing. Atleast good enough wrestling to handle the opponents he has already. But there is a possibility that Gane might have good enough TDD against Tom.

Gane was also easily taken down numerous times (and controlled) by mainly a striker in Ngannou. And Francis was working with a hobbled knee. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of Gane's grappling capabilities.

 

[mkess101]

Gane has also shown stamina and high volume striking while Tom has not and even shown severe lack of those abilities.

Consider the Arlovski fight when Tom hurt Arlovski quick but Arlovski didn't go down. Tom threw a short "flurry" of punches with zero sophistication and completely gassed himself resorting to just some weak body slaps and then hugging the second half of the round trying to recover.

Tom will not get a quick KO against Gane and if his stamina has not extremely improved he will be a sitting duck very fast and get smoked by Gane.

Tom gassed so badly vs AA that he teed off on him in rd 2 until AA begged to be taken down and subbed.

Gane couldn't stop a hobbled striker in Ngannou from ragdolling him. Tom may well not even need his speed and power edge standing. Could just take Gane down and smoke him on the mat.

 

[Tweak896]

Gane has also shown stamina and high volume striking while Tom has not and even shown severe lack of those abilities.

Consider the Arlovski fight when Tom hurt Arlovski quick but Arlovski didn't go down. Tom threw a short "flurry" of punches with zero sophistication and completely gassed himself resorting to just some weak body slaps and then hugging the second half of the round trying to recover.

Tom will not get a quick KO against Gane and if his stamina has not extremely improved he will be a sitting duck very fast and get smoked by Gane.

Yeah I haven't seen many on the feet get the better of Gane. If Aspinall can't land the big bombs or get him down, it'll be a long night.

Gane was also easily taken down numerous times (and controlled) by mainly a striker in Ngannou. And Francis was working with a hobbled knee. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of Gane's grappling capabilities.

True but Ngannou kept Stipe off him before and took Renan down afterwards. He's out a lot of points into wrestling. Either way, Gane to me is a middle of the pack wrestling level in my book. I just feel like I'm stuck playing devil's advocate here because people act like he has zero ground game. Typically the same people ignore how Aspinall hasn't been tested much either.

Maybe Aspinall is a great grappler and will take Gane down like Jones did. But so far he hasnt had anyone as good as Gane. Really wish Blaydes tested Aspinall in either of those 2 fights.

 

[mkess101]

Yeah I haven't seen many on the feet get the better of Gane. If Aspinall can't land the big bombs or get him down, it'll be a long night.



True but Ngannou kept Stipe off him before and took Renan down afterwards. He's out a lot of points into wrestling. Either way, Gane to me is a middle of the pack wrestling level in my book. I just feel like I'm stuck playing devil's advocate here because people act like he has zero ground game. Typically the same people ignore how Aspinall hasn't been tested much either.

Maybe Aspinall is a great grappler and will take Gane down like Jones did. But so far he hasnt had anyone as good as Gane. Really wish Blaydes tested Aspinall in either of those 2 fights.

I mean, yes there was an injury involved but we just saw Gane outgrappled by Volkov. Aspinall took Volkov down easily and knifed through him to get an easy sub.

Is there a somewhat limited data set to work with? Sure. But we can go by what we've seen to have relatively informed opinions.

 

[Tweak896]

I mean, yes there was an injury involved but we just saw Gane outgrappled by Volkov. Aspinall took Volkov down easily and knifed through him to get an easy sub.

Is there a somewhat limited data set to work with? Sure. But we can go by what we've seen to have relatively informed opinions.

I mean we saw Gane stuff Volkov the first time they fought and he was injured in the rematch. I'm really not a Gane diehard either. But Volkov never shot a takedown on Aspinall. Aspinall has taken down a few forgetful names and only defended 2 takedowns by Spivac.

Gane/Aspinall would sure end this debate. I bet Aspinall plans to turn into a wrestler and we can compare to others. Volkov doesn't have great grappling, Aspinall is probably better than him, but healthy Gane was able to stuff Volkov.

 

[mkess101]

I mean we saw Gane stuff Volkov the first time they fought and he was injured in the rematch. I'm really not a Gane diehard either. But Volkov never shot a takedown on Aspinall. Aspinall has taken down a few forgetful names and only defended 2 takedowns by Spivac.

Gane/Aspinall would sure end this debate. I bet Aspinall plans to turn into a wrestler and we can compare to others. Volkov doesn't have great grappling, Aspinall is probably better than him, but healthy Gane was able to stuff Volkov.

If we're gonna give Gane a pass for being injured in the Volkov fight, I think it's only fair we highlight that an injured Ngannou was easily taking him down. Not a healthy Ngannou, one with a bum knee was still ragdolling Cyril.

 

[Tweak896]

If we're gonna give Gane a pass for being injured in the Volkov fight, I think it's only fair we highlight that an injured Ngannou was easily taking him down. Not a healthy Ngannou, one with a bum knee was still ragdolling Cyril.

Fair fair. Usually I'm in other threads railing on Ngannou's knees never being the same since Stipe fight. Gane/Ngannou was a bizarre fight to say the least. HW is in a strange spot.