Could Aspinall beat Gane?

[icerealm]

aspinall is better on both stand up and grappling
i see probably aspinall r1/r2 by submission

 

[Luffy]

Yes. Unfortunately for him, he can't stop Jon Jones, who is his fight.

 

[Clark Rogers]

Gane has nothing for Tom.

Some of yall act like he's this legendary talent, but it's mostly because he has abs @ HW.

 

[fzoid4454]

I have serious doubts about this. Gane's calling card is speed, and IMO Tom is faster. Gane would have to be backing up point fighting off his back foot and it just takes one glancing blow from Tom to drop guys we've seen it repeatedly.

It's not just speed. That would be like saying "Wonderboy" Thompson outstrikes people because of speed. Gane has a demonstrated skillset that no one in the HW division has been able to match on the feet. It's so much more than just speed/reflexes.

And Aspinall is winning fights by landing the big shot. He's not picking apart opponents with speed/striking. Blaydes and Pavlovich were both able to land shots on him, so if he has some kind of next-level speed differential, he's not showing that he can use it properly, which would be a negative.

 

[mkess101]

It's not just speed. That would be like saying "Wonderboy" Thompson outstrikes people because of speed. Gane has a demonstrated skillset that no one in the HW division has been able to match on the feet. It's so much more than just speed/reflexes.

And Aspinall is winning fights by landing the big shot. He's not picking apart opponents with speed/striking. Blaydes and Pavlovich were both able to land shots on him, so if he has some kind of next-level speed differential, he's not showing that he can use it properly, which would be a negative.

And Gane's technical brilliance had him a cunt hair away from being finished by Tuivasa. Aspinall has yet to take a single shot as clean as what Tai hit Gane with. And the shots that have landed, Aspinall has eaten and not been affected at all.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

It's not just speed. That would be like saying "Wonderboy" Thompson outstrikes people because of speed. Gane has a demonstrated skillset that no one in the HW division has been able to match on the feet. It's so much more than just speed/reflexes.

And Aspinall is winning fights by landing the big shot. He's not picking apart opponents with speed/striking. Blaydes and Pavlovich were both able to land shots on him, so if he has some kind of next-level speed differential, he's not showing that he can use it properly, which would be a negative.

Gane got rocked by Tuivasa and is fairly evenly matched with Volkov standing. Yeah his striking is pretty for a HW but in terms of actual effectiveness its kind of overrated honestly, and the lack of power is a serious problem.

 

[philcrow]

I think Tom would make this look like most of his fights. Cryil could catch him, but my money would be on Tom to GnP him into submission or stoppage.

 

[Tweak896]

I see Almeida as potentially interesting. Its the final real challenge for him to overcome.
Gane not so much. Even if he keeps it standing and manages to win a round or 2, he isn’t going to dance around for 5 and avoid been finished.
I'd go as far as to say Gane offers less threat to Tom than Lewis does. At least with Lewis if he lands he could get a finish.
Pavlovich was also the real deal until he ran into Tom. He had 6 KOs in a row and was an absolute monster. I'm fairly comfortable saying that his loss to Tom changed him as a fighter in the same way that Costa wasn't the same after the Izzy loss.

I mean if Aspinall shows he can hang later it'll show more of his game. I like either fight for Aspinall if this Jones shit falls apart. But have to say, if he does fight Jones, neither fight is very compelling.

 

[fzoid4454]

Gane got rocked by Tuivasa and is fairly evenly matched with Volkov standing. Yeah his striking is pretty for a HW but in terms of actual effectiveness its kind of overrated honestly, and the lack of power is a serious problem.

He's 13-2, having beaten a lot of top-tier HWs despite having, for the most part, zero wrestling or ground game.

Dos Santos, Rosenstruik, Volkov X 2, Lewis, Tuivasa, Spivac - all Top Ten when he fought them, I believe (maybe not Dos Santos, but he's still a serious pelt).

Even the feared monster known as Ngannou was unwilling to stand with him and decided that boring wrestle-fuck was the way to go.

That suggests a pretty honestly legit standup resume.

I'd give Aspinall the nod, overall, but I'm just saying that if it stays on the feet for the vast majority of the fight, Gane probably has the edge. That "if" would be the crux of which fighter is able to impose their style on the other.

 

[Bowel-forged Stool]

He needs to prove this b4 he gets a crack at the GOAT

 

[fries in the bag]

bruh

 

[mkess101]

He's 13-2, having beaten a lot of top-tier HWs despite having, for the most part, zero wrestling or ground game.

Dos Santos, Rosenstruik, Volkov X 2, Lewis, Tuivasa, Spivac - all Top Ten when he fought them, I believe (maybe not Dos Santos, but he's still a serious pelt).

Even the feared monster known as Ngannou was unwilling to stand with him and decided that boring wrestle-fuck was the way to go.

That suggests a pretty honestly legit standup resume.

I'd give Aspinall the nod, overall, but I'm just saying that if it stays on the feet for the vast majority of the fight, Gane probably has the edge. That "if" would be the crux of which fighter is able to impose their style on the other.

Ngannou with an injured knee realized he wasn’t mobile enough to track Gane down so took the path of least resistance.

Is Gane clearly a good striker? Of course. Is he truly special? Aspinall is getting organic KO's over all top 10 guys. Gane is getting rocked and damn near finished vs Tuivasa. Going to decision vs Tanner freaking Boser...twice with Volkov (and should be one loss), Rozenstruick. Even his finishes of Lewis and Tai were extremely late.

The claim that if a fight between him and Aspinall was all standup means advantage Gane seems dubious at best. Yeah it's a better scenario for Gane than being taken down, sure. But good chance he doesn't have enough standing for Tom either.

 

[r-harper-1]

Tom a big favourite, The HW division sucks

 

[Docrob2354]

I can’t tell if you’re Serious or trying to bait. On the ground Gane stands no chance. If tom wanted to end it quickly all he has to do is shoot and it will be over with in a matter of 2 minutes or less. On the feet I think Gane would put up a better fight and it might take tom a few rounds to win, but ultimately I think his power mixed with his hand speed would catch up and be the deciding factor. Gane has pretty good striking defense. But Tom’s fight iq is really good and something tells me he would want to make it a quick fight which means the grappling factor would be applied. That would spell the end once the fight gets to the ground.

Agree Totally!

 

[itstyme]

Could, not sure if would.

 

[Luffy]

He would, JJ vs Gane is a fight that doesn't go the distance. It's domination territory. Like how Pereira beat Hill.

JJ would beat Volkov too... Like Ankalaev beat Johnny Walker...

When they meet tho, I see it as a Ankalaev vs Pereira fight 1 ... Close, but not controversial ... One man is in fact ahead when it comes to the criteria, and that was Ankalaev. I see it being like JJ vs Tom... With JJ being Ankalaev. Ankalaev and JJ are very game. Poatan has a huge IQ comparable to JJ, like Tom does... But Poatan sadly was taking shirt notice fight and Ankaalev took on a weakened Alex. JJ tho, he just is calculated... He values his dominance in the game over being overly rich. He could make way more money by fighting more... But he rather make way less but prioritize his performance... He knows he's older, so he and Tom were equally as active... And he knows he has been before way more active, so he will take his time and not rush in. Less money if he built it in a any time, any date way , ofc... But he is there to win, money is second for him, his main goal is to win and money as a reward in case he didn't. But that's the mentality of someone who has won 16 championship UFC fights and was active until 2021...

He isn't just some average 38 yo, he's an elite LHW with 16 world belt UFC wins... Even at 38, that's still elite as 38 is still already out of prime (post 35, out of prime, specially JJ who did this a long time), his mentality and fight IQ can compensate that with game refinement, seeing the way opponents were reading his style in close fights and evolving technically, with a better pattern identification. So his mentality, a nerd fighter who can be close to his prime days (let's say a JJ vs Anthony Smith, out of the prime he had prior vs Gus 2, but very dominant in every aspect) balancing adjustments to strategy and tactical skills with lost of athleticism... And like the JJ who beat Anthony Smith that day (AJ was in a 3 wins streak... He said the defeat to JJ was a psychological shock that led to depression as he was so dominated, while he said he legit felt he was the answer... Like Dominick Reyes later performances also took a dip when he saw he still was behind JJ on his best day ever)... And that Anthony Smith JJ era can beat anyone in LHW right now likely, though like Tom, if Alex were in a good, non injured day like vs Jiri 2, I think it'd be a challenge like I think Tom will be... A 3-2 clear non controversial but high level fight the opponent was a 95 to JJ being 100

 

[SuperAlly]

It's not just speed. That would be like saying "Wonderboy" Thompson outstrikes people because of speed. Gane has a demonstrated skillset that no one in the HW division has been able to match on the feet. It's so much more than just speed/reflexes.

And Aspinall is winning fights by landing the big shot. He's not picking apart opponents with speed/striking. Blaydes and Pavlovich were both able to land shots on him, so if he has some kind of next-level speed differential, he's not showing that he can use it properly, which would be a negative.

Do you not see the cognitive dissonance in your post and the fact that guys like chubbyvasa almost sparked Gane. A damn sight worse than merely “landing on him”.

 

[fzoid4454]

Do you not see the cognitive dissonance in your post and the fact that guys like chubbyvasa almost sparked Gane. A damn sight worse than merely “landing on him”.

Tuivasa came into that fight riding a 5 fight KO streak. Gane KOd Tuivasa.

I'm not the one claiming that Gane has this massive speed differential. I'm saying his striking skills are better than anyone else in the division. No cognitive dissonance there.

Pointing out that mediocre strikers were able to touch Aspinall is relevant because that means a comparatively elite striker probably will too.

 

[SuperAlly]

Tuivasa came into that fight riding a 5 fight KO streak. Gane KOd Tuivasa.

I'm not the one claiming that Gane has this massive speed differential. I'm saying his striking skills are better than anyone else in the division. No cognitive dissonance there.

Pointing out that mediocre strikers were able to touch Aspinall is relevant because that means a comparatively elite striker probably will too.

If his skills are better than anyone else in the division he wouldn’t be almost getting starched by fattyvasa

If a comparatively unskilled striker like fattyvasa can touch Gane, an elite striker like Tom definitely can.

You have enormous cognitive dissonance and are completely blind to it, which I guess is the point.

 

[fzoid4454]

If his skills are better than anyone else in the division he wouldn’t be almost getting starched by fattyvasa

If a comparatively unskilled striker like fattyvasa can touch Gane, an elite striker like Tom definitely can.

You have enormous cognitive dissonance and are completely blind to it, which I guess is the point.

"almost" getting starched is kind of like almost getting laid. He didn't, and he won comfortably, by KO.

Gane actually lost to Ngannou, and Jones. That's it.

If you want to line up who each fighter has beaten, and who each fighter has lost to, feel free. I'm kind of surprised you want to go there.