Law Congressman Salud Carbajal accused of doxxing ICE agent, who is later targeted by anti ICE protesters and struck with a rock.

[HereticBD]

What was the INTENT of the Jan 6ers?

All of them, or a handful of them? There were obviously some delusional folks involved who had big ideas. The vast majority were just part of an unruly mob that got caught up in the moment and had no plans for anything but mischief and destruction of property at worst. Doesn't excuse their idiocy, and they learned their lesson as to why you can't just break into(or walk into afterwards) the Capitol building uninvited.

Do you honestly believe all of those people had some kind grand plan to take over the government?

 

[Aegon Spengler]

Good for him. Hopefully every one of these Gestapo scum get doxxed.

 

[Mr Holmes]

What was the INTENT of the Jan 6ers?

They didn't bring weapons so clearly not to over throw the government.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Good for him. Hopefully every one of these Gestapo scum get doxxed.

And here is why they wear masks.

 

[helltoupee]

They didn't bring weapons so clearly not to over throw the government.

No, not every single person brought weapons. Some did though, and you are just outright lying at this point. If my hypothetical bank robber didn't bring a weapon, now your argument is no crime took place because he didn't bring a gun?

Furthermore, if we are to take your statement to be true, you just stepped in to a big pile of hypocritical poop. I guess the OP ICE attack wasn't a crime either because the perp didn't bring weapons to the protest, amirite?

So I'll ask again, if the INTENT of the Jan 6ers was not to stop ratification of the election (which is a coup by the way), what was their intent? What was the intent of breaking in to the capital building? To sight-see?

Just LOL at you having to be dishonest to prove some illogical point that makes no sense.

 

[helltoupee]

And here is why they wear masks.

Why would they need masks? The protesters didn't bring weapons, so what is ICE afraid of? Remember?

'No weapons brought, no crime committed' - Mr Holmes

 

[Mr Holmes]

No, not every single person brought weapons. Some did though, and you are just outright lying at this point. If my hypothetical bank robber didn't bring a weapon, now your argument is no crime took place because he didn't bring a gun?

Furthermore, if we are to take your statement to be true, you just stepped in to a big pile of hypocritical poop. I guess the OP ICE attack wasn't a crime either because the perp didn't bring weapons to the protest, amirite?

Thats not my argument and your analogy isn't even a good one. It would be more like if someone was caught goofing off in the employee break room and you accused him of trying to rob the bank.

So I'll ask again, if the INTENT of the Jan 6ers was not to stop ratification of the election (which is a coup by the way), what was their intent? What was the intent of breaking in to the capital building? To sight-see?

I guess you'll need to ask them.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Why would they need masks? The protesters didn't bring weapons, so what is ICE afraid of? Remember?

'No weapons brought, no crime committed' - Mr Holmes

 

[ShadowRun]

The violent left always at it

There’s a trend

 

[oldshadow]

See the thing is,

You can’t claim defense if you are the aggressor…

If they are doing their job as required then the rock thrower is the aggressor. Clue here in fact they are.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

They seemed to believe it even though Trump doesn't, as far as I'm aware.

yeah probably not. he's a fraud, not an idiot. unfortunately frauds trick stupid people everyday.

Fair. Yeah, I try to communicate it in a way that's holding up a mirror but maybe I need to check myself or at least be more clear on what I'm getting at and make sure I don't get too libbed up. It's a tightrope to walk because I'm trying to say, "look, this was bullshit and you obviously don't care about cops being hurt nor the government being attacked" but also like yeah, if they truly thought it was rigged then trying to set things right - whatever I think of the methods, execution, and reasoning - was the correct action and people should be able to organize for redress of grievances despite my thoughts on this instance.

It's also just an easy thing to play on, an easy "gotcha!" when people call burning Tesla's terrorism and whatnot.

yeah i feel you. i also just meant in the context of sherdog WR shit, not real life. obviously yeah, calling out hypocrisy is great in a real conversation but this forum is a debatelord hellhole.

 

[syct23]

If they are doing their job as required then the rock thrower is the aggressor. Clue here in fact they are.

The Aggressor is the person trying to kidnap those without showing any proper ID…

Interesting World where one needs ID to kidnap.

 

[helltoupee]

I understand.

Your arguments make no logical sense whatsoever and you refuse to answer the question of Jan6th intent because you know it sinks your argument that either A) intent doesn't matter, or B) 'no weapons brought = no crime committed'.

So instead you'll post pictures. Completely understandable given your command of logic.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

I think that the subjectivity involved is where it goes off the rails. The guy that killed the insurance ceo may have thought the same. Ultimately protesting etc is a right. Contacting congressmen etc is a good course of action.

i mean doing those things is definitely better than not doing anything. i agree there.

But if you just kill some random cop because of an unjustified violence of another doesnt track to me.

oh for sure. i agree there too.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

The violent left always at it

There’s a trend

heckling is violence now?

 

[Mr Holmes]

We're not sidestepping that you said there were no weapons. The chance of success is irrelevant as is the occupation of those involved. The "fake elector" scheme is not something I'll let go nor that Trump knows he lost nor the fact nearly all of them were pardoned.

Then your beef is with Trump.

All deflection and obfuscation. "Biden's FBI" my brother in Christ if you're concerned about the 4th amendment you're at least a couple decades late to the party and ignoring this regime's actions, including what ICE has been up to but yes, more spying is bad regardless of who's doing it.

You can look through my post history I've been pretty consistent on government spying. I'm not sure why you're defending what Biden's FBI did.

What'd you'd prefer doesn't matter and "our entire prison system is really bad actually" doesn't negate my point, actually kinda bolsters it because the precedent for ICE's actions and our PIC writ large were issues prior to this regime.

You're trying to use it as excuse the demonize ICE specifically though. Harsh conditions are a reality we all face. Its nothing unique for the illegals.

Legal US citizens HAVE been deported, that is not an opinion. You can type four words into a search engine. Trump has also mentioned "the homegrowns". The 14th amendment is a thing my dude.

Are you talking about those kids that the parents requested be deported with them? You would rather go against the parent's wishes?

ICE agents not having to present badges, ID themselves, have warrants, nor apparently be accountable at all is kinda the point bro not to mention it's already lead to people impersonating ICE to commit crime.

From what I read they have to identify themselves to the arrestee only. Every other screeching moron recording with their phone can go fuck off. Immigration conducting raids isn't something new either.

 

[Cajun]

There's a way to deal with it in line 15 minutes. Reagan knew half of it. But their answer was to do the amnesty and then try to make legal immigration even harder for poor people, which, combined with our foreign policy creates a powder keg situation.

This issue wouldn't be nearly as difficult if you didnt have an entire party to who made xenophobia a political cudgel, and another party who let that party get away with it for a long time.

There are always xenophobes who pounce on the idea. There are also legit concerns. Its why the Hispanic vote went up. Too much is an issue and even legal immigrants weighed in. The other party let the millions in without any real barriers exacerbating the situation. Legally Mexico is still number 1 for us in terms of immigrants and has been for years I believe. But there has to be regulation as well.

 

[Mr Holmes]

I understand.

Your arguments make no logical sense whatsoever and you refuse to answer the question of Jan6th intent because you know it sinks your argument that either A) intent doesn't matter, or B) 'no weapons brought = no crime committed'.

So instead you'll post pictures. Completely understandable given your command of logic.

You're incredibly emotional over this. Aside from maybe a few you don't know their intent and you can't prove it one way or another.

 

[nixkid]

heckling is violence now?

"Means words can be a violent act" - the people who coined the phrase "fuck your feelings".

 

[Sinister]

There are always xenophobes who pounce on the idea. There are also legit concerns. Its why the Hispanic vote went up. Too much is an issue and even legal immigrants weighed in. The other party let the millions in without any real barriers exacerbating the situation. Legally Mexico is still number 1 for us in terms of immigrants and has been for years I believe. But there has to be regulation as well.

The Hispanic vote us easy to manipulate through religion, and through tempting migrants to turn on their own for political acceptance. You dont hear current Latinos raving about the mass amnesty Reagan did because they dont care. And as for their bias because they "did it the right way"...part of what is suggested by those who want genuine immigration reform is making it so that the right way is easier and everyone can do it that way.

But first, let's get everyone documented. Makes everything WAY easier. The reason people want them deported as opposed to documented is clear, they want less Latinos.