Crime Ice shoots a defenseless Pastor in the face with a Smoke Round, from a roof top. Pastor sues Trump administration.

[Crazy Source]

 

[Crazy Source]

^^^^^^

Conditioned to think policing is normal
Policing is noble
Policing is just?

Excuse their incompetence
Excuse their lies
Excuse their abuse
Excuse their violence

Bootlicker, I can't stand by you
I can't believe you don't see it
They don't care about us
They don't care about you
They don't care about us
And they don't care about you
They don't care about us
And they don't care about you

 

[nonoob]

I’ll ask @nonoob the same question: paid by who? And how do you know? And how can you tell he’s a communist? Or antifa?

Lot of statements but a little short on evidence

Guy Explains to Trump the Entire Soros Network along with Other Paid Riot & Protest Funders.

The White House just announced they discovered that over $100 MILLION in taxpayer funds + laundered Dem donations went to Antifa-linked orgs & “protest networks.” Funders include: -Soros’ Open Society -Arabella Advisors -Tides Network -Hansjörg Wyss (????????) -Neville Roy Singham, with ties to...

theworldwatch.com

 

[DoctorTaco]

Guy Explains to Trump the Entire Soros Network along with Other Paid Riot & Protest Funders.

The White House just announced they discovered that over $100 MILLION in taxpayer funds + laundered Dem donations went to Antifa-linked orgs & “protest networks.” Funders include: -Soros’ Open Society -Arabella Advisors -Tides Network -Hansjörg Wyss (????????) -Neville Roy Singham, with ties to...

theworldwatch.com

1. The world watch is a conservative Christian website with tremendous bias

2. The “government accountability institute” is a conservative think tank founded by Steve bannon that targets democrats and has been proven time and time again to make wildly unfounded conversations.

3. Somebody saying something is not evidence of it happening, it is an accusation. If there is an actual money trail that shows protesters are being paid then please provide it.

 

[Daverisimo]

Ok. Good on you-I also admit when I make a mistake which I will do if you point out What else did I say that was incorrect?

Despite any appearance to the contrary, I am, in fact, a Christian, so an acceptance of contrition is part of the whole deal. Likewise, I hope that you find me adequately contrite when I say that my post initiating this exchange was unfair, and unnecessarily mean.

If this is the same incident, there is video of cars boxing the agents in and one car ramming the agent vehicle. If I am incorrect in this matter, like you, I will admit my mistake.

You say "boxing in", I say that it simply looks like normal traffic. You say that she rammed the agent, I say that it was an accident. The bodycam footage could clear this matter up, but DHS refuses to release it, which is fundamentally suspect. Moreover, the excuse that she was armed is absolute bunk. She had a permit and a handgun in her purse. There is no evidence to suggest that she was threatening the agents, or doing anything outside of her 2nd amendment rights (which you, as a self-proclaimed "strict constitutionalist" should absolutely support).

You’re conflating two separate issues here. I use the constitution to guide what rights we have and how government and police should be acting. I have said numerous times that I dislike trump and what he is doing. I am in favor of deporting the violent criminals and those that consistently run afoul of the law, but he is not doing that, he is going after everyone. And I am always on the side of the first amendment and legal protests-even when they’re wrong and I disagree with them, but we’re not seeing that in too many instances. We are seeing violence from the protesters, which is not lawful. And I can say that I am against what ice is doing, agree with the protesters that are protesting what ice has been doing, AND look at this situation and say the shooting was justified when cars boxed in an ice vehicle and rammed it.

See, again, you're uncritically repeating ICE's narrative, when there's ample evidence contradicting it. ICE is initiating the vast majority of the violence at these protests. That said, even if that weren't the case, and even if you are a "strict constitutionalist", the fact that ICE routinely violates the constitution means that any social contract no longer applies. If you're arguing that violence against ICE agents is strategically unsound, that's fundamentally a different matter entirely (and, in fact, we'd be in complete agreement if that's the case), but, at least in its face, that doesn't seem to be your argument here

 

[Jeffy37]

Pastor shot in the head by ICE agents sues over First Amendment threats

David Black joins journalists and protesters in lawsuit to stop ‘pattern of extreme brutality’ from federal agents

www.independent.co.uk

I am sure MAGA will cheer this one, because he is preaching Love they Neighbor, which MAGA Christians consider woke bullshit.

I find it odd no Corporate owned media will run the clip of a defenseless Pastor getting shot in the face by an ICE agent from a rooftop. The same 6 entities that own 90% of American media, want to keep those tax breaks. I am disgusted by the persecution of Christians, and the Pastor was not doing a damn thing, then some masked pussy shoots him in the face from a roof. You should be allowed to protest, and everyone should be at a minimum clamoring that agent loses his job. The problem is the same politicians who use their Christianity as a victim card only, will not say a damn thing about a man of God, excercising his 1st amendment rights getting shot in the fucking face.

I will gladly wait for the mental gymnastics of somehow saying the Man of God was a threat and deserved getting shot in the face, or the usual MAGA doggers ignoring this thread like it's one of Trumps hand bruises.

Did you cry when Ashley babbit got shot and killed? I'm sure i butchered her name. Did this guy die?

 

[DoctorTaco]

Did you cry when Ashley babbit got shot and killed? I'm sure i butchered her name. Did this guy die?

Are those two things the same in your eyes?

 

[Jeffy37]

Are those two things the same in your eyes?

One was worse. The one when someone got killed?

 

[Jeffy37]

Did they both get killed?

 

[DoctorTaco]

One was worse. The one when someone got killed?

The circumstances surrounding them are wildly different. I agree babbit getting herself killed is worse

 

[ChrisBenoit]

Ice was really left no choice

 

[Jeffy37]

The circumstances surrounding them are wildly different. I agree babbit getting herself killed is worse

I would never defend her death. They got warned. But yeah one died regardless of stupid decision made

 

[DoctorTaco]

I would never defend her death. They got warned. But yeah one died regardless of stupid decision made

Help me understand the point you were trying to make when you compare to the two of them

 

[Hog-train]

“Sorry we popped you in the dome with a rubber bullet Father, but someone spit at me last week.”

No, that’s not how that works. Deal with the people in front of you. Dude hakes one step over the sidewalk, tell him to get back. If he doesn’t, tell him again. If he still doesn’t, fire a warning shot near him that doesn’t hit him. If he still doesn’t then a he use the non-lethal round. Violence against a crowd should be a last resort, not the MO.

Seems like a real nightmare hellscape there, I don’t know how the brave men and women of ICE are making it through.

These people were blocking an ICE vehicle from getting out and repeatedly told to get out of the way and stay off federal property. They did not comply so force was needed.

Now you're just spewing nonsense. The ICE Agents are the ones attacking journalists and protesters. You're literally doing Russian Propaganda "mirroring" by claiming this. Here is actual evidence that ICE is the problem:

Judge orders feds to dial back aggressive response to journalists, protesters in Chicago area

A ruling in federal court Thursday restricts the tactics used by DHS as they engage with protesters, members of the media and the public, the ABC7 I-Team has learned.

abc7chicago.com

Body slamming, teargas and pepper balls: viral videos show Ice using extreme force in Chicago

A facility in Broadview, a mostly Black suburb, has become the site of escalation and ‘targeted attacks’ on protesters

www.theguardian.com

Again, nonsense. Let's see your evidence. Don't just make baseless unverifiable claims. Do your research and show me conclusive video with legitimate news articles pointing this out. You are following nonsense propaganda on social media and trying to call it fact.

Stop gaslighting people that these protests are peaceful. I have seen literally dozens of separate incidents at this Portland place alone where the protesters are getting violent. We have eyeballs. We've seen the nightly videos.

All your first link shows is that a judge ordered not to use riot weapons against PEACEFUL protesters. Just reiterating something that was already done.

 

[Jeffy37]

Help me understand the point you were trying to make when you compare to the two of them

You can read the thread. I'm not your parent. It's obviously a political thread. About ice..and can you tell me I'm wrong about my statement? So i made a comparison. Asked why ts didn't cry about someone getting murdered but he makes a thread about this. I know it won't sink into your thick head. But i like it

 

[DoctorTaco]

You can read the thread. I'm not your parent. It's obviously a political thread. About ice..and can you tell me I'm wrong about my statement? So i made a comparison. Asked why ts didn't cry about someone getting murdered but he makes a thread about this. I know it won't sink into your thick head. But i like it

Which statement exactly do you want me to tell you that you are wrong about? Honestly, this comes across as unintelligible at best. There is no comparison between the two incidents except that they both involve federal LEO and projectiles.

 

[DoctorTaco]

These people were blocking an ICE vehicle from getting out and repeatedly told to get out of the way and stay off federal property. They did not comply so force was needed.

There aren’t any vehicles or open gates in the video.

Stop gaslighting people that these protests are peaceful.

Nobody was being violent in this clip.

I have seen literally dozens of separate incidents at this Portland place alone where the protesters are getting violent. We have eyeballs. We've seen the nightly videos.

That has nothing to do with cops, shooting somebody in the face with a riot gun thousands of miles away from Portland.

All your first link shows is that a judge ordered not to use riot weapons against PEACEFUL protesters. Just reiterating something that was already done.

Where in this clip was any violence whatsoever? (Besides The Cop shooting the dude in the face with a paintball gun)

 

[Jeffy37]

Which statement exactly do you want me to tell you that you are wrong about? Honestly, this comes across as unintelligible at best. There is no comparison between the two incidents except that they both involve federal LEO and projectiles.

Lol you are playing games now. I like it

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Murica has literally become what they despise.

 

[nhbbear]

Despite any appearance to the contrary, I am, in fact, a Christian, so an acceptance of contrition is part of the whole deal. Likewise, I hope that you find me adequately contrite when I say that my post initiating this exchange was unfair, and unnecessarily mean.

You say "boxing in", I say that it simply looks like normal traffic. You say that she rammed the agent, I say that it was an accident. The bodycam footage could clear this matter up, but DHS refuses to release it, which is fundamentally suspect. Moreover, the excuse that she was armed is absolute bunk. She had a permit and a handgun in her purse. There is no evidence to suggest that she was threatening the agents, or doing anything outside of her 2nd amendment rights (which you, as a self-proclaimed "strict constitutionalist" should absolutely support).

See, again, you're uncritically repeating ICE's narrative, when there's ample evidence contradicting it. ICE is initiating the vast majority of the violence at these protests. That said, even if that weren't the case, and even if you are a "strict constitutionalist", the fact that ICE routinely violates the constitution means that any social contract no longer applies. If you're arguing that violence against ICE agents is strategically unsound, that's fundamentally a different matter entirely (and, in fact, we'd be in complete agreement if that's the case), but, at least in its face, that doesn't seem to be your argument here

You’re correct about the gun. I saw it on twitter with comments from her lawyer. It was in her purse and the articles I read said she was armed with a handgun, so I don’t know if I maybe read too much into that, whether it was the reporting (see below) or if ice is purposely misleading the news and viewers making it sound like the gun was a reason they shot her-that’s what I thought. Below are some videos I came across, but I honestly don’t know if either one is the incident we are discussing. And again, if it turns out that I am wrong, I will 100% admit it and apologize