Can We Admit That the UFC is Screwing Movsar Evloev?

[mkess101]

Disagree, Evloev did more when in superior positions then Sterling did, during Sterling's control time/dominant positions he did little but ride it out. Evloev remained offensive when in those situations. Not really a fan of either guy so no bias, just thought Evloev did more to clearly win what was ultimately a position battle.

Neither came close to a finish, stats show it was essentially even. Not sure what else to tell ya.

 

[rorschach51]

Neither came close to a finish, stats show it was essentially even. Not sure what else to tell ya.

Same, we just see it differently. Pretty standard for competitive fights.

 

[rorschach51]

Neither came close to a finish, stats show it was essentially even. Not sure what else to tell ya.

We signed up for Sherdog on the same day, 3 years apart lol crazy.

 

[Black Blood]

I mean, its just how the UFC do. You can keep grinding out wins til you're undeniable or fucking lay people out and get there in half the time or less.

 

[maximus__]

Oh, bro, I know why they're rewarding Lopes over Movsar. I would be giving the shot to him too if I were in charge.

How are you saying Ige had a full camp against Lopes? He didn't have any camp. I'm not saying Lopes wasn't a badass in that fight himself either. He definitely was.

And Ige was 3-1 coming into that fight, but his wins were against Landwehr, Damon Jackson, and Fili. None of those guys are really any good. And like, you only went back 4 fights. He lost 3 straight before that to higher level guys than he usually beats.

The why are you posting the opposite? It's clear why the UFC picked Lopes over Evleov. Evleov is a great fighter, but he rarely fights and when he does, nobody really cares after. He puts together 3 good performances in a year and he will get a shot.

Ige was booked to fight 2 weeks after he fought Lopes vs Lerone Murphy. His fight vs Lopes was effectively him getting paid to do his last hard sparring session before going into his wind down/weight cut period.

Ortega vs Lopes was on 2 weeks notice which people keep forgetting.

Ige had a full camp, Lopes cut weight for no reason and fought at a massive disadvantage.He got the joys of a weight cut, then was limited in terms of what he could weight post fight, he had no camp AND his opponent had a full 3 month camp prior and was at his peak part of that camp.

I went back 4 fights because he lost to Evleov at that point as a comparison and that lines up with how long that Lopes had been in the UFC. It's the period we are talking about.

 

[Squintz]

Screwed over how? His last finish was at “M-1 challenge” what the fook is that? 7 years ago mind you. Boring Russian fighters that go to decision aren’t anybody’s cup of tea except for a select odd few.

 

[maximus__]

Sterling more sig strikes, more TD's, more reversals and more control time. Me thinks you likely have a bias that makes it "clear to you".

Again, I dont have a problem with Evloev getting the nod, but saying it was "clear" says you either don't fully understand what you're seeing or that you let your bias color your judgment.

If Sterling hadn't been reversed in that 3rd round and ended up on bottom with Evelov on top, Aljo wins.
Aljo went for the attack for once and it cost him the fight. Evelov just let him overcommit and then did some busy work for the win.

 

[moosaev]

Yes I do, he's not going to do a training camp in Ramadan. Anakalev would not have either his fight is the first week of Ramadan, at which point people are cutting weight and no longer hard sparing

His fight is the second week of Ramadan, as usual you’re talkin out your ass lol

 

[joy2day]

TS acts like he is the fighter's union rep. He's always talking about fighters being mistreated by the UFC. I think it is time to file a grievance.

 

[xhaydenx]

The why are you posting the opposite? It's clear why the UFC picked Lopes over Evleov. Evleov is a great fighter, but he rarely fights and when he does, nobody really cares after. He puts together 3 good performances in a year and he will get a shot.

Ige was booked to fight 2 weeks after he fought Lopes vs Lerone Murphy. His fight vs Lopes was effectively him getting paid to do his last hard sparring session before going into his wind down/weight cut period.

Ortega vs Lopes was on 2 weeks notice which people keep forgetting.

Ige had a full camp, Lopes cut weight for no reason and fought at a massive disadvantage.He got the joys of a weight cut, then was limited in terms of what he could weight post fight, he had no camp AND his opponent had a full 3 month camp prior and was at his peak part of that camp.

I went back 4 fights because he lost to Evleov at that point as a comparison and that lines up with how long that Lopes had been in the UFC. It's the period we are talking about.

I wasn't posting the opposite. I was replying to a post saying that Lopes is out there finishing top guys, which just isn't true. I wasn't saying Movsar should get it over Lopes or anything like that.

Cheers for posting that msg. I didn't realize Ige was already in camp. They made it out like he rolled off the couch that day and fought lol.

 

[maximus__]

I wasn't posting the opposite. I was replying to a post saying that Lopes is out there finishing top guys, which just isn't true. I wasn't saying Movsar should get it over Lopes or anything like that.

Cheers for posting that msg. I didn't realize Ige was already in camp. They made it out like he rolled off the couch that day and fought lol.

I fall into the opinion that anyone that is in the UFC and has put together a good enough record to hang around is a top guy. Noit elite necessarily, but anyone who doesn't wash out in 2-3 fights is legit.

Yeah man. I don't think people realise how insane that win was for Lopes. Full camp Ige with no weightcut at 165 on a few hours notice. Ige hasn't been finished by anyone and he finished the first getting saved by the bell. Lopes was basically getting time to weightcut, did that weightcut for no reason and still dominated the first 2 rounds.

I can't remember but I am pretty sure Ige was the main event and training for a 5 rounder from memory.

 

[hbombbisping]

No because Topuria is vacating.

 

[mkess101]

If Sterling hadn't been reversed in that 3rd round and ended up on bottom with Evelov on top, Aljo wins.
Aljo went for the attack for once and it cost him the fight. Evelov just let him overcommit and then did some busy work for the win.

I wasn't even sure that should've won Evloev the fight...but yeah you're pretty much spot on.

 

[NoSmilez]

He got screwed but he isn't a very active fighter. He would be even less active when he is a champion.

 

[RockyLockridge]

His fight is the second week of Ramadan, as usual you’re talkin out your ass lol

Lol it's literally the 8th day of Ramadan you piglover, but I'll take the L 8 days is longer than one week you're so right

 

[Vigfree]

Lopes is 5-0 since they fought against progressively better competition. Evloev has 2 fights and only 3 more fights in the UFC despite being there 4 years longer than Lopes.

Lopes is getting the fight because he actually fights regularly and is finishing top guys.
Evleov is scraping through in the most boring fashion, doesn't fight enough to stay relevant and keeps getting passed over for the new exciting fighter, who says yes when asked to fight.

If he went out there and smashed Sterling he would of gotten this shot, but instead he cruised his way to another decision.

One argument I think is reasonable is that if you make Lopes v Volk, it's easy to give Evolve the winner. He hasn't fought Volk, and he beat Lopes.
If you make Evloev vs Volk & Evloev wins, it's not as easy to make the Lopes fight since Lopes lost the first.

Anyways, I get what you are saying. I'm not convinced. Evloev is 9-0 in the UFC. He isn't a big finisher, but his fights aren't as boring as the rep. His fights vs Lopes & Aljo were entertaining imo. He's beat a lot of top contenders in the division, and at this point he very clearly deserves a title shot imo. Lopes is more deserving than Volk currently... Volk is on quite the losing streak and IMO should get a win first.

But whatever, Lopes v Volk is an interesting fight that I'll be happy to watch. So it's all good.
But the UFC is definitely screwing Movsar, and sure you can try to use mental gymnastics to explain why - but ultimately it is a little unconvincing and you are forced to admit that no matter what you think about Evloev & his entertainment value - by an objective sporting measure, he should be getting the next shot.

 

[TaxCutz]

Boring fighter aside, he was difficult for the UFC to work with. Pain is ass and got cut. Sqeeky wheel.

 

[moosaev]

Boring fighter aside, he was difficult for the UFC to work with. Pain is ass and got cut. Sqeeky wheel.

You’re confusing Evloev with Mokaev lol

 

[moosaev]

One argument I think is reasonable is that if you make Lopes v Volk, it's easy to give Evolve the winner. He hasn't fought Volk, and he beat Lopes.
If you make Evloev vs Volk & Evloev wins, it's not as easy to make the Lopes fight since Lopes lost the first.

Anyways, I get what you are saying. I'm not convinced. Evloev is 9-0 in the UFC. He isn't a big finisher, but his fights aren't as boring as the rep. His fights vs Lopes & Aljo were entertaining imo. He's beat a lot of top contenders in the division, and at this point he very clearly deserves a title shot imo. Lopes is more deserving than Volk currently... Volk is on quite the losing streak and IMO should get a win first.

But whatever, Lopes v Volk is an interesting fight that I'll be happy to watch. So it's all good.
But the UFC is definitely screwing Movsar, and sure you can try to use mental gymnastics to explain why - but ultimately it is a little unconvincing and you are forced to admit that no matter what you think about Evloev & his entertainment value - by an objective sporting measure, he should be getting the next shot.

I highly disagree that it isn’t easy to make Lopes v Evloev rematch if Evloev is the champ. That fight was very close and highly entertaining, and Lopes took it on short notice. It’s very worthy of a rematch when both guys have a full camp. They’ve also been chirping at each other for 2 years at this point, there’s a story line.

 

[maximus__]

One argument I think is reasonable is that if you make Lopes v Volk, it's easy to give Evolve the winner. He hasn't fought Volk, and he beat Lopes.
If you make Evloev vs Volk & Evloev wins, it's not as easy to make the Lopes fight since Lopes lost the first.

Anyways, I get what you are saying. I'm not convinced. Evloev is 9-0 in the UFC. He isn't a big finisher, but his fights aren't as boring as the rep. His fights vs Lopes & Aljo were entertaining imo. He's beat a lot of top contenders in the division, and at this point he very clearly deserves a title shot imo. Lopes is more deserving than Volk currently... Volk is on quite the losing streak and IMO should get a win first.

But whatever, Lopes v Volk is an interesting fight that I'll be happy to watch. So it's all good.
But the UFC is definitely screwing Movsar, and sure you can try to use mental gymnastics to explain why - but ultimately it is a little unconvincing and you are forced to admit that no matter what you think about Evloev & his entertainment value - by an objective sporting measure, he should be getting the next shot.

Lopes fight was on short notice debut and Evleov arguably lost. Lopes was the only one throwing out any real fight ending offence all fight and had him in danger multiple times in the fight. It's very easy to make that fight again. Evleov already has tried to call for it before he fought Aljo.

Evelov is 9-0 in the UFC if we go back to 2019. Sure it's still 9-0 but the guy isn't fighting enough or doing anything that amazing to stand out. They are mostly 29-28 decisions. Same issue as Islam coming up. Islam finally got a title shot after winning 3 fights in a 12 month period and he was a better finisher.

Evelov has Aljo, Allen, Ige and Lopes (on his debut) in 9 fights. Lopes has Ige, Ortega and Yusuff and is 5-0 with 3 first round finishes in just on 2 years with 3 fights of the nights.

Volk was a multi time defending champion. This fight was originally his rematch vs Ilia, but Ilia is going up. He did the UFC a favour taking the Islam fight on short notice.

Evelov deserves a shot, but he is getting jumped because he doesn't fight enough. They are giving it to the exciting fighter who is more active. 5-0 in 2 years vs 2-0 in 2 years. If you aren't knocking guys out or finishing them, you need to fight more often and stay ready for these types of things. Hopefully he is smart enough to stay ready as a back up, but something tells me he will wait to see how this plays out and miss another chance.