Ariel’s details on why Jones vs Tom fell thought

[Only Here for Attachments]

Stop coping.

How is that cope? It's the duty of any person to evaluate sources of information and not just blindly follow.

 

[USA!USA!]

The majority of people think Jones lost Gus 1 & Reyes.

The point is, you can't pick and choose which losses to re-litigate. You either go by the official record, or you re-litigate every fight.

Again, the difference is that this one isn't even litigated. Everyone thought he winning and was beating the hell out of Matt. It was not controversial - no one thought he actually lost that fight. People don't have other opinions.

Every other decision you can find someone who thinks they got it wrong.. but no one alive considers that a win for Matt and a loss for Jones, outside of the paper it is written on.

 

[Alpha_T83]

Again, the difference is that this one isn't even litigated. Everyone thought he winning and was beating the hell out of Matt. It was not controversial - no one thought he actually lost that fight. People don't have other opinions.

Every other decision you can find someone who thinks they got it wrong.. but no one alive considers that a win for Matt and a loss for Jones, outside of the paper it is written on.

No. By ignoring the official decision you are by definition re-litigating the result.

Someone who would say "we can re-litigate this result, but not this other result" should never have their opinion respected.

 

[Mr Wings]

Don't really trust The Weasel to have any actual insider info like this

The one thing you CAN trust from The Weasel is his insider info. He has an amazing track record. However, you likely believe the Earth is flat, so facts most likely have no bearing for you.

 

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The one thing you CAN trust from The Weasel is his insider info. He has an amazing track record. However, you likely believe the Earth is flat, so facts most likely have no bearing for you.

Interesting conclusion. Dana hates Ariel and has blacklisted him in multiple ways. I doubt his UFC insider information in the current day and age.

 

[USA!USA!]

No. By ignoring the official decision you are by definition re-litigating the result.

Someone who would say "we can re-litigate this result, but not this other result" should never have their opinion respected.

Jones didn't lose that fight lol - you are wrong here. No one cares what it says on the record, no one alive considers that a real loss. You know it.

 

[BigNick100]

No one cares but Jones haters

Dude the Tom dick riders are 10 times more annoying than Jones fanboys.

and it’s like the same few dudes, especially that Mkessi compulsive liar guy and Super Alley who posters call Super Dumbfuck just lurking in the thread trying to bash people to make their fragile egos feel better.

Just ignore the Tom dick riders so they can stop spamming each thread like their opinions matter

 

[mkess101]

Jones didn't lose that fight lol - you are wrong here. No one cares what it says on the record, no one alive considers that a real loss. You know it.

There could well be SOMEONE that thinks Hammil was poised for a comeback and it's a legit loss for Jones. And if there's even one haha...

But seriously you can't pick and choose which losses count and which don't. Even in a bizarre DQ situation. We've seen egregious robberies like Sanchez vs Pearson where EVERYONE knows who should've won but that guy didn't actually win. It's still loss for Pearson.

 

[Superzorro]

Yep, sure did, he had a twitter war with Dana before melting down and saying "I quit!"

Wrong. That happened after, over a pay dispute for the move to heavyweight. But if I’m wrong, feel free to post the tweets.

If your next post isn’t the Tweets of him begging to not get stripped… Man I’m so tired of people lying and thinking that I won’t remember or that I’m not going to do my homework.

He swears up and down that he knows 'for a fact' that UFC met Jon's asking price. Is he lying about that? If not, how does he know that?

He’s lying or making an assumption based on second hand information, unless he provides proof or was there in person.

 

[Superzorro]

Jones didn't lose that fight lol - you are wrong here. No one cares what it says on the record, no one alive considers that a real loss. You know it.

I think it was a loss. You don’t have to get beat to lose per se. Now getting to the meat and potatoes, how much does that loss matter in terms of his resume? That’s the real question. And we all know the answer to it.

 

[KO Shotz]

Jon is trolling Tom & will fight Pereira. Been saying this.

 

[BodybagJohnny**]

No one including the UFC took that as a loss. You're not as smart as you think you are LOL

Smart enough to know what words mean

 

[USA!USA!]

I think it was a loss. You don’t have to get beat to lose per se. Now getting to the meat and potatoes, how much does that loss matter in terms of his resume? That’s the real question. And we all know the answer to it.

Fair. I’m not denying that it happened - it’s on his record, of course.

Everyone alive knows what it is though. He didn’t lose that fight lol

 

[HHJ]

How is that cope? It's the duty of any person to evaluate sources of information and not just blindly follow.

You didn't eveluate the source of the information.

You were " it's Ariel, icky!" Without knowing what he said or where he was referencing it from.

 

[Bret 'The Hitman' Hart]

Basically, Jones would fight Tim Sylvia in a heartbeat, but he knows Aspinall is dangerous and would probably sleep him

The perfect definition of a paper champ

 

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You didn't eveluate the source of the information.

You were " it's Ariel, icky!" Without knowing what he said or where he was referencing it from.

You have no clue what I did or did not evaluate

 

[Captain Herb]

Wrong. That happened after, over a pay dispute for the move to heavyweight. But if I’m wrong, feel free to post the tweets.

If your next post isn’t the Tweets of him begging to not get stripped… Man I’m so tired of people lying and thinking that I won’t remember or that I’m not going to do my homework.


He’s lying or making an assumption based on second hand information, unless he provides proof or was there in person.

I actually tried to go back and find those tweets one time but didn't find them. I'm sure they're all deleted since he basically got humiliated by Dana who threw him under the bus pretty hard. Anyhow, this is what happened in the correct chronological order and if YOU think it's incorrect, YOU go find the tweets.

1. Ngannou windmills Rozenstruik basically to death in the cage. It looks like a fatality.

2. LHW Jones has been watching the fight and immediately pipes up on Twitter without thinking, 'is this the best HW has?'

3. Frank is amused and responds, 'let's meet in the cage and you can find out for yourself'

4. Jones immediately realizes he's stepped in it and falls silent but it's too late to put the toothpaste back in the tube. All of a sudden everyone in the mma-verse thinks the fight is a brilliant idea including Dana White who sets about trying to make it in earnest.

5. The heat is on Jones now and everyone is asking him when the fight is going to happen. He needs to think of some way out of it fast. Finally he tweets, yeah, I'll fight Ngannou, I'll talk to Dana.

6. Dana is overjoyed until he realizes Jones has devised a scheme to save face by pricing himself out of the fight, asking for 30 million dollars to fight Frank. Dana is appalled and instigates a Twitter war with Jones saying Jones is scared of Ngannou, he asked for Deontay Wilder money, he's not serious, etc.

7. Jones is furious that Dana didn't have his back in his little plot to cancel the check that his mouth wrote and goes nuclear, tweeting that in fact he was DONE with Dana, the UFC, everything and was dropping his belt and he quit! And everyone would be sorry now that he was gone!

8. That settled that for the time being and it wasn't until a little while later that he had second thoughts about his rash behavior. So he got back on Twitter and was like, 'Hey guys, I didn't quit, you know why I dropped the belt? Because I'M MOVING TO HEAVYWEIGHT!!! That's right, I'm going to take my time and do it properly. (Three years later... Lol)

Anyway, that's exactly how it happened, I'm a Jonesologist so I know my stuff but if you want to take exception to the facts, that would be your right to do so.

 

[HHJ]

You have no clue what I did or did not evaluate

Yes I do. You outed yourself completely.

 

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Yes I do. You outed yourself completely.

You have no clue if I'm in or out

 

[HHJ]

You have no clue if I'm in or out

Your out of most, it not all, of relevant MMA news, with your shunning of the MMA journalist of the year, for every year.