Law After Win, Trump Fans Admit “Project 2025 Is the Agenda”

[ChosenOne]

Uh, because I wasn't. You guys continue to be wrong.
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We have been down this road before Mick and what you do EVERY TIME is tell us Trumps own words on this topic do not matter as you, MICK, know better.

let me copy/paste the prior own of you, you had no counter to.


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What you prove every time you speak is your utter incompetence in debate.

That is NOT Matt Walsh words. Those are TRUMP's OWN WORDS QUOTED.

Trump was clear and the Federalist society was clear and yet here you remain saying Trump did not say that and trying to gaslight and attribute Trumps words to others.

HERE ARE TRUMPS WORDS QUOTED AGAIN...



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Trump was abundantly clear...

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Trump also spoke highly about the group's plans at a dinner sponsored by the Heritage Foundation in April 2022, saying: “This is a great group, and they’re going to lay the groundwork and detail plans for exactly what our movement will do and what your movement will do when the American people give us a colossal mandate to save America.”

The project’s website bills it as a “governing agenda” that would “pave the way for an effective conservative Administration.”

 

[WhiteMousse]

Hey, guys, Trump appointed a former Heritage Foundation worker to be Director of the OPM. That means he did...exactly what George W. Bush did when he was President!

The conspiracies! The dark omens! The end is nigh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is it!!

 

[Madmick]

What is different between Trump's explicitly avowed agenda, and that contained in Project 2025? What has Trump done so far in office proving the latter is the real agenda, not the former?

We have been down this road before Mick and what you do EVERY TIME is tell us Trumps own words on this topic do not matter as you, MICK, know better.

let me copy/paste the prior own of you, you had no counter to.


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What you prove every time you speak is your utter incompetence in debate.

That is NOT Matt Walsh words. Those are TRUMP's OWN WORDS QUOTED.

Trump was clear and the Federalist society was clear and yet here you remain saying Trump did not say that and trying to gaslight and attribute Trumps words to others.

HERE ARE TRUMPS WORDS QUOTED AGAIN...



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Trump was abundantly clear...

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Trump also spoke highly about the group's plans at a dinner sponsored by the Heritage Foundation in April 2022, saying: “This is a great group, and they’re going to lay the groundwork and detail plans for exactly what our movement will do and what your movement will do when the American people give us a colossal mandate to save America.”

The project’s website bills it as a “governing agenda” that would “pave the way for an effective conservative Administration.”

You have one thing to prove, just the one, and you refuse to address it.

Concession accepted.

 

[ChosenOne]

INB4 Madmick waves away Trumps own words saying that the Heritage Foundation was providing the GOVERNING AGENDA (Project 2025) for his Administration as Mick counters with 'but Trump had this stuff on his website too', as if that was not provided by Heritage Foundation.

Mick your clown shoes are here and have been fitted for you.

Spoiler

 

[HOLA]

Trump is bolstering the executive branch's power and he is erasing our barrier institutions as much as he can. I don't get your "gotcha" here.

You can skim through some of the P2025 policies that Trump has installed here as well.

https://www.axios.com/2025/01/23/trump-executive-orders-list-project-2025-policies

Ahh, Pete Hoekstra is still around, huh? One of the legends of the first Trump term:

 

[AWilder]

No, you don't seem to understand the terms of what is in contention, at all.

I'm not in this thread to advocate for or against Trump's policies, or Project 2025's. I came into this thread because I was mocking the Democrats who insisted there was some sort of ulterior shadow inititiave within Trump's campaign. The claim is clear: Trump's platform isn't the real agenda. Project 2025 is the real agenda.

So, if one wishes to prove this, then prove it. This is simple.

What is different between Trump's explicitly avowed agenda, and that contained in Project 2025? What has Trump done so far in office proving the latter is the real agenda, not the former?

Concession accepted.

lol, he's doing the thing.

 

[ChosenOne]

You have one thing to prove, just the one, and you refuse to address it.

Concession accepted.

Trump's own words, no matter how many times you say 'they do not count, listen to me Mick instead' will always count.

You lost. You are embarrassing yourself.

 

[filthybliss]

No, you don't seem to understand the terms of what is in contention, at all.

I'm not in this thread to advocate for or against Trump's policies, or Project 2025's. I came into this thread because I was mocking the Democrats who insisted there was some sort of ulterior shadow inititiave within Trump's campaign. The claim is clear: Trump's platform isn't the real agenda. Project 2025 is the real agenda.

So, if one wishes to prove this, then prove it. This is simple.

What is different between Trump's explicitly avowed agenda, and that contained in Project 2025? What has Trump done so far in office proving the latter is the real agenda, not the former?

Trump has no real agenda...."Lower gas prices" and "draining the swamp". His entire campaign website is just littered with vague paraphenelia.

He does whatever his handlers tell him to do like Elon or he makes rash decisions without much thought behind them. You are really trying to reach for the scraps at the bottom to own the democrats when Trump is destroying our country....As a self-described libertarian, your priorities are scuffed.

This is it!!

Sam Harris thinks so too and he's generally the first to blow the whistle at the left for over-reacting.

 

[HOLA]

It’s now just a coincidence that Trumps agenda is aligning with project 2025. Is it just a coincidence as well that some of his staff wrote sections of it too?

"Incidental. Concession accepted."

- SadDick

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

For one thing, it is based around removing checks from the executive branch. It also calls for removing merit based workers from federal positions with loyalists to the president. Political beliefs aside, don't you think those things would be concerning?

If your guy is in charge now, maybe you don't care, but what about if their guy is in charge later?

The way you put it does sound concerning for sure but I'll need to look into it a bit more. On its face it seems like your run of the mill conservative platform but I really have no clue.

 

[ChosenOne]

lol, he's doing the thing.

What @Madmick is attempting to do and failing in a laughable way is called burden shifting.

If Trump says "I like McDonalds" and Mick asserts "I know better and Trump does not like McDonalds" then the burden is on him to prove why we should disregard Trump and instead believe him


We have Trumps own unambiguous words on DECLARING that the Heritage Foundation is providing the 'governing agenda' for his administration. We have the head of the Heritage Foundation proudly saying 'it is called Project 2025', and Mick say 'Nuh ahhh. ignore both of them and listen to me as i know better' and he has never once, when i have challenged him to give us a reason why we should ignore them, given a single one.

It is because he cannot.

 

[Madmick]

So we don't understand what "burden shifting" means, either. The burden is on those who insist "Project 2025 is the agenda" to demonstrate that...Project 2025 is the agenda. They are the ones who posited something.

This hasn't been demonstrated (pssst: Project 2025 was published in April 2023).

 

[Madmick]

An even-keeled perspective from the original reply thread:

A note regarding Project 2025: More than 100 conservative organizations and 140 authors contributed to Project 2025. Some of the recommendations may make their way into the Republican platform, and some may not. And I doubt there is a single person in any one of those organizations (let alone Trump) who would agree with every policy recommendation in the 900+ page document, which covers 30 topics.

Here are a few of the major recommendations in the document:

• + Secure the border, finish building the wall, and deport illegal aliens
• + De-weaponize the Federal Government by increasing accountability and oversight of the FBI and DOJ
• + Unleash American energy production to reduce energy prices
• + Cut the growth of government spending to reduce inflation
• + Make federal bureaucrats more accountable to the democratically elected President and Congress
• + Improve education by moving control and funding of education from DC bureaucrats directly to parents and state and local governments
• + Ban biological males from competing in women's sports

The Dems, as usual, were attempting to make the document a boogeyman via repetition but few read it, which, I assume, is just what the Dems were counting on.

 

[ChosenOne]

So we don't understand what "burden shifting" means, either. The burden is on those who insist "Project 2025 is the agenda" to demonstrate that...Project 2025 is the agenda. They are the ones who posited something.

This hasn't been demonstrated (pssst: Project 2025 was published in April 2023).

Ya i proved that by quoting Trump bragging it was his agenda.

That is called 'establishing it'.

You now take the position to disregard what Trump said without offering any reason why.

Your sole point is 'but Trump's agenda was on his website' as if that precludes that it could have been provide by the Heritage foundation to him.

That leaves two scenarios:

1 - Trump got his website agenda from the Heritage foundation and thus his own words and those of the Heritage foundation head are accurate and true...

OR

2 - Trump is wrong and the heritage head is wrong and Trump's website info was not provided by them because Madmick says it was not...


So yes Madmick the burden is on you, in telling us to ignore Trump and the Heritage Heads own words, to establish why we should.


And you won't. Because you cannot.

 

[Madmick]

Ya i proved that by quoting Trump bragging it was his agenda.

That is called 'establishing it'.

You now take the position to disregard what Trump said without offering any reason why.

Your sole point is 'but Trump's agenda was on his website' as if that precludes that it could have been provide by the Heritage foundation to him.

That leaves two scenarios:

1 - Trump got his website agenda from the Heritage foundation and thus his own words and those of the Heritage foundation head are accurate and true...

OR

2 - Trump is wrong and the heritage head is wrong and Trump's website info was not provided by them because Madmick says it was not...


So yes Madmick the burden is on you, in telling us to ignore Trump and the Heritage Heads own words, to establish why we should.


And you won't. Because you cannot.

No, you offered a schmooze speech in 2022 before Project 2025 was even published as "proof". Derp. Yet, just before the election Trump insisted it wasn't his agenda. So you're back to square one.

Trump offered an agenda with an explicit set of policies and goals. He subsequently offered a simplified version of that. He also made many other promises. As the random Twitter poster observer, many of these policies may be in common with Project 2025 (it is 900 pages, after all). Some may not be. So the burden is upon you to prove this isn't his agenda, and that Project 2025, explicitly, is his agenda, contrary to what he has openly declared.

I explained how you do that. Show the differences. Prove Trump is passing Project 2025, not just his own agenda.

So...do the work. Of course, this entails you perform more labor than a single Google search. It entails you read something.

You'll do neither.

 

[ChosenOne]

No, you offered a schmooze speech in 2022 before Project 2025 was even published as "proof". Derp. Yet, just before the election Trump insisted it wasn't his agenda. So you're back to square one.

Trump offered an agenda with an explicit set of policies and goals. He subsequently offered a simplified version of that. He also made many other promises. As the random Twitter poster observer, many of these policies may be in common with Project 2025 (it is 900 pages, after all). Some may not be. So the burden is upon you to prove this isn't his agenda, and that Project 2025, explicitly, is his agenda, contrary to what he has openly declared.

I explained how you do that. Show the differences. Prove Trump is passing Project 2025, not just his own agenda.

So...do the work. Of course, this entails you perform more labor than a single Google search. It entails you read something.

You'll do neither.

hahhaha.

Do i have to quote how long the Heritage Foundation has ADMITTED they have been working on Project 2025, before it was formally named?

Do you ever even try to google before offering your uninformed and ridiculous views, as what is known as Project 2025 was in the work and largely published going back to 2023 in a series of publications called the Mandate for Leadership: The Conservative Promise of which its core positions came from papers published years prior.

MadMick, i say this sincerely that you are such a mark for Trump and his talking points and if Trump says tomorrow 'I never said i liked tariffs', because he sees public backlash, i can fucking guarantee you will be arguing Trump never said it as you only consider what Trump says once pressured and you complete ignore what he said prior.

Sorry but Trump "schmooze speech' counts when he clearly says his government will be using Project 2025 as the basis for his admin and the Heritage Foundation guys confirms same.

You can keep repeating 'things said in a schmooze speech do not matter', but they do. Of course they do.

I say again you have no way, ZERO, to establish why we should discount Trump's own words simply because you keep saying 'you know better and things Trump says in schmooze speeches do not count.'

You have nothing. You lost. You know it. BUt as a true sherdogger you cannot bring yourself to admit it

 

[ChosenOne]

For those following along at home, the below is what Madmick insists does not say that Trump was using the Heritage Foundation platforms Project 2025 as his admins policy, once in power.

Madmick reads the below and says 'nothing there counts and cannot be held against Trump as it is a schmooze speech and anything said in schmooze speeches is nullified as if never said'.



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Trump was abundantly clear...

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Trump also spoke highly about the group's plans at a dinner sponsored by the Heritage Foundation in April 2022, saying: “This is a great group, and they’re going to lay the groundwork and detail plans for exactly what our movement will do and what your movement will do when the American people give us a colossal mandate to save America.”

The project’s website bills it as a “governing agenda” that would “pave the way for an effective conservative Administration.”

 

[ChosenOne]

Madmick, what if a candidate is giving a speech that is not a schmooze speech. Just a regular speech or even to a hostile crowd, is it your position that what the person says then is also not to be considered or do the statements and positions outlined count in those instances??

(you may think i am mocking your ridiculousness that 'schmooze speeches do not count', but it is a serious question to find out if you think no speeches matter with regards to the content of what the speaker/candidate says'

 

[AWilder]

For those following along at home, the below is what Madmick insists does not say that Trump was using the Heritage Foundation platforms Project 2025 as his admins policy, once in power.

Madmick reads the below and says 'nothing there counts and cannot be held against Trump as it is a schmooze speech and anything said in schmooze speeches is nullified as if never said'.



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Trump was abundantly clear...

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Trump also spoke highly about the group's plans at a dinner sponsored by the Heritage Foundation in April 2022, saying: “This is a great group, and they’re going to lay the groundwork and detail plans for exactly what our movement will do and what your movement will do when the American people give us a colossal mandate to save America.”

The project’s website bills it as a “governing agenda” that would “pave the way for an effective conservative Administration.”

The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears

 

[ChosenOne]

The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears

Common.

Politicians rarely schmooze and thus when they do the rare schmooze speech no one should try and hold them to account for anything they say in it. Everything they say can be treated as never uttered as MadMick does when ignores Trump admitted exactly what Madmick is saying Trump never did.

What is MadMick defense when the words are quoted to him? ..."Schmooze speech thus does not count".