Crime 58 shot, 8 dead in Chicago over weekend. Trump and governor and mayor clash over threats to send in troops.

[My Spot]

On top of that, there isn't any soft on crime bullshit around here. They'll throw you in jail for years for a violent offense.

Well it's mostly NOLA/Baton Rouge/Shreveport who ruin things for the rest of the state.

 

[Aurelian]

Well it's mostly NOLA/Baton Rouge/Shreveport who ruin things for the rest of the state.

I live in Monroe, about an hour from Shreveport. These are our stats. I'm pretty sure were a top 5 city in the nation in violent crime.

City	Violent Crime Rate (per 100k)	Insights
Monroe	2,104.3 (2023)	Highest violent crime rate in Louisiana
New Orleans	~1,361.1 (2023)	Lower than Monroe, but still high
Baton Rouge	~1,003.7 (2023)	Significantly lower per capita rate
Shreveport	~743.9 (2023)	Lowest among those compared

 

[Rational Poster]

What have the crime rates in DC been like since the NG have been ordered there?

What does it matter? Are we going to have full time deployment of the guard in cities across the country because crime exists? Let's get serious.

Playing games with the guard like this will have serious consequences eventually. Whether it's between the guard and the locals, or dissent within the guard. Nothing good will come of it. The guard is made up of real people with real jobs and families that are only expecting to do this kind of thing part time at most, it's really only a matter of time before some of them get fed up.

 

[oldshadow]

No, you clearly don't understand the full context of the event you cited and just pulled up the first thing that google AI told you.

Yes I did. It was the military being used to enforce the law.

 

[nonoob]

What have the crime rates in DC been like since the NG have been ordered there?

"From Aug. 7 through Aug. 25, most major crime categories in Washington fell compared with the same period in 2024. Combined violent crime dropped 49%, from 180 to 92 incidents, while other categories such as robbery and burglary also saw significant declines, according to CBS News analysis of MPD data."


With Any non-Sanctuary City Oversight, criminals couldn't be as confident to remain free while asaulting, robbing, car Jacking, etc. City after city has defied Federal Laws and defunded and substantially neutered police at the price of Citizen Safety.

American Citizens Deserve Better Protection.

 

[Rational Poster]

Yes I did. It was the military being used to enforce the law.

No you didn't, first you claimed the guard has been used like this before. Then you pulled an event that doesn't even happen in.

Eisenhower was forced to deploy the 101st Airborne, not the guard, because the governor of Arkansas was using the Arkansas Guard to force segregation at schools in violation of the 14th amendment. It was literal standoff between the federal government and state guard troops. Not criminal gangs.

No one's constitutional rights are being violated here. We're talking about deploying the guard over street crime.

 

[VulcanNervPinch]

Chicago Homicide Rate (2025)
- Murder rate: 7.3 per 100,000 residents
- ~28.17 crimes per 1,000 residents annually


Illinois Homicide Rate (2025)
- Statewide murder rate: 6.56 per 100,000 residents
- ~26.10 crimes per 1,000 residents annually


Chicago is only very slightly higher in murders and total crime than the state as whole.

Which anybody with 2 minutes to research could find out.

But people with a political agenda of anti-city hatred don't want you to know that.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

What does it matter? Are we going to have full time deployment of the guard in cities across the country because crime exists? Let's get serious.

Playing games with the guard like this will have serious consequences eventually. Whether it's between the guard and the locals, or dissent within the guard. Nothing good will come of it. The guard is made up of real people with real jobs and families that are only expecting to do this kind of thing part time at most, it's really only a matter of time before some of them get fed up.

NG? No. But if voters get use to having an increased presence of protection correlating with drastically lower crime rates, they may demand their states drastically increase the number of officers on their streets going forward.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Chicago Homicide Rate (2025)
- Murder rate: 7.3 per 100,000 residents
- ~28.17 crimes per 1,000 residents annually


Illinois Homicide Rate (2025)
- Statewide murder rate: 6.56 per 100,000 residents
- ~26.10 crimes per 1,000 residents annually


Chicago is only very slightly higher in murders and total crime than the state as whole.

Which anybody with 2 minutes to research could find out.

But people with a political agenda of anti-city hatred don't want you to know that.

Is that with or without chicago factored into the state as a whole?

 

[oldshadow]

No you didn't, first you claimed the guard has been used like this before. Then you pulled an event that doesn't even happen in.

Eisenhower was forced to deploy the 101st Airborne, not the guard, because the governor of Arkansas was using the Arkansas Guard to force segregation at schools in violation of the 14th amendment.

No one's constitutional rights are being violated here. We're talking about deploying the guard over street crimlaws.

The military was used to enforce the laws.

Then we get to when they wete called out in riot control.

Again I dont want them called out if the governor doesn't want them. Other then to protect federal agents and facilities. I want them there for that.

 

[Mr Holmes]

"58 shot in one weekend"

To be fair, it was a long weekend.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Well it's mostly NOLA/Baton Rouge/Shreveport who ruin things for the rest of the state.

So why isn't the governor calling in the NG?

 

[nhbbear]

What!? When did states much less cities become sovereign? The fact there are governors acting as if that was true, actively and openly opposing and obstructing federal laws is a fundamental reason the Insurrection Act was created that grants the president clear and broad authority to deploy military domestically.

Posse Comitatus my dude. It prevents federal troops from being deployed unless and act of congress or a new amendment is passed.

 

[My Spot]

So why isn't the governor calling in the NG?

Why don't you ask him?

 

[Rational Poster]

The military was used to enforce the laws.

Then we get to when they wete called out in riot control.

Again I dont want them called out if the governor doesn't want them. Other then to protect federal agents and facilities. I want them there for that.

I accept your concession again, lmao.

 

[DoctorTaco]

It takes between 600 and 1000 hours of training to get licensed as a cop. Yes, you get to do all the cool cowboy shit like shooting guns, learning how to fist fight, defensive, driving, tactics, etc.

Cadets still spend hundreds of hours understanding the laws that they are there to enforce and the legal framework that they have to operate in based off of federal, state and local laws, as well as as the constitution itself.

There is nothing your average national guardsman goes through that would prepare them for the job They are being tasked with.

 

[jk7707]

The dumbest part of these threats from Trump, is that even if his dubious claims about the crime rates in DC are true. None of it is sustainable. Putting thousands of federal agents and national guard troops on the streets may lead to a short term reduction in crime. But it doesn't address any of the root causes of crime, and will result in the crime rate going right back up as soon as they leave.

 

[The XL]

Chicago and all these liberals cities are a disgrace, but I don't see how the federal government has jurisdiction here.

 

[TRYHARD 2001]

58 shot, 8 dead?
Sounds like crime is down.

Sounds like Illinois' gangstas could use some marksmanship training to me!

 

[Source]

If the governor agrees then sure. Otherwise I believe it is illegal and unconstitutional to do so.