Will Tom confront JJ in November?

Dionysian said:
The whole intent of this is to artificially prop up the empty 5 years of Jon's career fighting only 2 guys artificially pumped up by the UFC (white belt Gane and geriatric Stipe) for the SOLE reason of UFC needing a marketing talking point for who the GOAT is / finally trying to kick Fedor out of the conversation.

So yeah. Herb will ref a Jon/Stipe fight and Jon is retiring after.
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Fedor lmao, UFC / Dana aren't making any decisions about where his legacy is vs UFC fighters in 2024, that's crazy. Jon is already the GOAT in most people's eyes, he's just not P4P #1 as Dana keeps claiming.
 
No is my guess
Dana won’t allow it , if Jones wins he will retire and then Dana and him will get a room so they can go make out for a while
 
If Jones doesn't immediately retire in the Octagon, yes. He will be confronted by the real HW champion and there will be no place to hide.
 
Jon vs. Aspinall will be hands down the biggest fight of 2025 and is a huge moneymaker for the UFC. Jon's retirement talk is strictly leverage he holds over negotations with the UFC. For all the shit we talk, Jon isn't actually scared of Tom. Maybe in the sense Jonny Ringo is scared of Doc Holliday, but he'll still fight him.

The UFC sponsoring Tom to sit cageside isn't about him being a backup. This is a huge fight for the UFC to make and the cage door flying open after the fight is a great way to push its promotion. Would make zero sense not to have a staged callout in the Octogon. It's an entertainment company. And frankly they lose nothing by doing it.

Also, in my eyes it's a foregone conclusion than Jon is going to brutalize Stipe.
 
svmr_db said:
Fedor lmao, UFC / Dana aren't making any decisions about where his legacy is vs UFC fighters in 2024, that's crazy. Jon is already the GOAT in most people's eyes, he's just not P4P #1 as Dana keeps claiming.
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That isn't how propaganda works though. You do marketing or propaganda to convince someone on a belief they don't already hold. Dana heavily marketing Jon as the GOAT in 2024 (just as he did Anderson in 2013) shows that it is NOT agreed upon in the same sense that no one has to try to convince you the sky is blue because that'd be a waste of convincing in that it was pointless, and why no food advertisement company mentions you have to eat food in order not to die. Waste of a sales pitch. Same reason he pushes whoever is at the top of WW at any given moment as the GOAT WW... he has to do if he wants to change the belief fans actually hold (ie: that a guy named GSP was born and ruled WW for a long time).

If you don't think UFC needs to push the idea he is GOAT, that's fine. But clearly they disagree with you that the idea is unnecessary, otherwise they wouldn't actively be doing it. P4P #1 is just an appendage to the GOAT sales pitch right now honestly. That's the only reason Dana gives a shit about it / wants to affix it to a guy that openly says he will be leaving soon.

I do agree with you though that Jon is by far the best case to finally kill the notion that a guy outside the UFC was the GOAT. But obviously they think they haven't crossed the finish line on that yet, hence the ongoing promotion efforts. If it was accepted he was GOAT they wouldn't be pushing him after every Sherdog poll where Fedor is near the top, they wouldn't be trying to convince people to not care about the multiple times he was caught cheating, and they wouldn't be setting up joke matches like Stipe in an effort to solidify a narrative.
 
Tom better sit his ass down and not mess up Jon vs Potan
 
Dionysian said:
That isn't how propaganda works though. You do marketing or propaganda to convince someone on a belief they don't already hold. Dana heavily marketing Jon as the GOAT in 2024 (just as he did Anderson in 2013) shows that it is NOT agreed upon in the same sense that no one has to try to convince you the sky is blue because that'd be a waste of convincing in that it was pointless, and why no food advertisement company mentions you have to eat food in order not to die. Waste of a sales pitch. Same reason he pushes whoever is at the top of WW at any given moment as the GOAT WW... he has to do if he wants to change the belief fans actually hold (ie: that a guy named GSP was born and ruled WW for a long time).

If you don't think UFC needs to push the idea he is GOAT, that's fine. But clearly they disagree with you that the idea is unnecessary, otherwise they wouldn't actively be doing it. P4P #1 is just an appendage to the GOAT sales pitch right now honestly. That's the only reason Dana gives a shit about it / wants to affix it to a guy that openly says he will be leaving soon.

I do agree with you though that Jon is by far the best case to finally kill the notion that a guy outside the UFC was the GOAT. But obviously they think they haven't crossed the finish line on that yet, hence the ongoing promotion efforts. If it was accepted he was GOAT they wouldn't be pushing him after every Sherdog poll where Fedor is near the top, they wouldn't be trying to convince people to not care about the multiple times he was caught cheating, and they wouldn't be setting up joke matches like Stipe in an effort to solidify a narrative.
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DW is pushing the narrative that Jon is the GOAT because he has a fight coming up.
When khabib was champ and had a fight coming up DW called him that goat.
If Potan had a fight coming up then they'd call him a once a generation fighter.
It's literally DW's job. He's a promoter. He promotes the UFC's and it's fighters. Even if DW does think Fedor is the greatest he'd never admit it in on camera because that would be like McDonald's saying that the whopper is better than the Big Mac while trying to sell you the big Mac.
If GSP came back for a fight DW would call him the goat.
 
Lord Pyjamas said:
Have you ever had one of those food poisonings where you sit on the toilet and puke in a bucket just trying to understand where it came from?
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Yeah man. Gotta hydrate, read sherdog and laugh. How about you?
 
PurpleStorm said:
Yeah man. Gotta hydrate, read sherdog and laugh. How about you?
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No. But one of my friends did so we got that instead of an after party.
He went so pale that we almost took him to the hospital instead.
Never eat half cooked chicken burgers from questionable places when drunk!
Unless you have the stomach for it, then it is ok.
 
Bend NvR Break said:
DW is pushing the narrative that Jon is the GOAT because he has a fight coming up.
When khabib was champ and had a fight coming up DW called him that goat.
If Potan had a fight coming up then they'd call him a once a generation fighter.
It's literally DW's job. He's a promoter. He promotes the UFC's and it's fighters. Even if DW does think Fedor is the greatest he'd never admit it in on camera because that would be like McDonald's saying that the whopper is better than the Big Mac while trying to sell you the big Mac.
If GSP came back for a fight DW would call him the goat.
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I get ya.

But picture you are Dana. You know Jon is retiring after his next fight because he said so. Will you really transition to calling Alex the GOAT during his next PPV? Or do you want to place a bet on something with more staying power?

Don't get me wrong. Dana tosses people in the trash with alarming regularity (see GSP) and I don't think he has a ton of integrity. I could totally see him tossing Jon in the trash as soon as the PPV is done and Jon's retirement finalized. But if *I* was in DW's spot and I had to place my chips into one GOAT long-term to refute the perception that any non-UFC fighter could ever be the GOAT? I'd want to place those chips permanently on a known quantity: on a Jon retiring off beating a Stipe. IMHO.
 
Jon has already been assured by Dana that no one will interfere with his special night.
 
Dionysian said:
I get ya.

But picture you are Dana. You know Jon is retiring after his next fight because he said so. Will you really transition to calling Alex the GOAT during his next PPV? Or do you want to place a bet on something with more staying power?

Don't get me wrong. Dana tosses people in the trash with alarming regularity (see GSP) and I don't think he has a ton of integrity. I could totally see him tossing Jon in the trash as soon as the PPV is done and Jon's retirement finalized. But if *I* was in DW's spot and I had to place my chips into one GOAT long-term to refute the perception that any non-UFC fighter could ever be the GOAT? I'd want to place those chips permanently on a known quantity: on a Jon retiring off beating a Stipe. IMHO.
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See I think they are all playing us. I don't think Jon is retiring.
I think if Jon wins and Potan makes short work of roundtree we're going to get Jon vs Potan for the HW title. It's the only left got Jon that makes sense. Like DC said, fighting Tom is stupid for Jon. It's all risk and no reward for him. If he wins it wouldn't boost his legacy because he's supposed to beat him and if he loses it's a legacy destroying loss because Tom is a nobody. He's not a legend. He's not a super high profile fighter.

Fighting Potan, the guy attempting to be the first triple weight champ and the best striker Jon will have ever fought, will motivate Jon and is a legacy building fight.
 
Alpha_T83 said:
I honestly think part of Dana simping on Jones is just him trying to hype up the fight and sell tickets. I don't get the feeling the UFC is doing terribly well financially, and while it might not be dying, Dana's job might eventually be on the line. If he's that desperate to get PPV sales out of Jon Jones like this, that says a lot about how badly the UFC is doing.

If the above is true, then Dana will 100% let Aspinall into the octagon and encourage him to talk shit to Jon Jones. Dana doesn't benefit from Jon Jones retiring. He will want to get another fight out of Jon Jones, and the best way to do that is to have Aspinall provoke him and get him angry. Ruining his UFC 309 post-fight interview could be a good start to that.

Dana is an opportunistic piece of shit. We could see him do a complete 180 on Jon Jones and see him start calling Jon Jones a coward for ducking Aspinall, if Jon holds onto the belt without defending or vacating.
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Unlikely. Dana is fine with JJ retiring. If he wanted a massive money fight, he'd give ears to JJ vs Poatan. He did not. If he wanted for JJ to fight, he'd criticize JJ keeping the belt. He did not. Instead, he has been way more vocal about JJ being the best ever and best pfp.

He doesn't care if JJ retires, he made it clear by saying "well, if that happens it's too bad", like, seems like he was forcing to imply he cared about it. He wants JJ to have the undefeated mark and it doesn't matter how fans may feel... JJ is been there with him since 2009, he knows a fight selling less isn't impacting what he wants JJ to do. Instead, he likely thinks it won't sell less precisely because Aspinall will be there and ppl want to see if JJ would call him out after that or how he'd handle it after Stipe (assuning he wins)... so Aspinall being there brings this interest up...

... but JJ won't appease to the fans this time and will walk away antagonistic, winning, undefeated, just antagonistic with the fans... as he has seen that there will be always asterisks on his "undoubted GOAT" among fans. He'd ask before openly "should I kick this guy's ass?". He seems to have realized that there will be always the "next one he hasn't beaten". He likely planned more fights in HW, but he saw that the "Gane is a threat to JJ, damn, let's see it, JJ might lose" shift to "Gane was just weak" when JJ didn't even ask for Gane... so he knows the sudden "undoubted goat" right after defeating Gane taking a sudden "Gane was weak" will likely be the same with a new prospect in Tom if he wins, or any other prospect. He'd likely call Tom after Gane if he was already well known and ppl were already more vocal to him than Stipe, since Stipe was still the one ppl would mostly want to see. He'd maybe fight Tom if it had a strong narrative thing like Alex, who's already a potential future within GOATs... but seeing how the Gane hype, though admittedly less than Tom's, got snuffed away quickly, I don't think he thinks it's worth it anymore.

So he doesn't care to listen to what ppl want him to see for "now GOAT status checked" imo because he seems to have realized it will never be checked... there will always be someone new that pops out... and although he may feel confident he can beat Tom, at the end, it may not be worth the risk that there is of him losing, and even if he wins, which is likely imo, he'll be sacrificing things such as potential injuries post fight that already weighs in as fighters gets older... and since the "GOAT now comfirmed" will just have ** no matter what, I think JJ doesn't care, and in my opinion Dana doesn't it, as he wants JJ to choose whatever he feels like, as he's made clear. He barely talks about how JJ should absolutely fight Aspinall and all. He says he thinks he should... but he says he respects it either way. That's it.
 
No, because Mr. Stipey is going to send Jon out of the cage in a casket, then he's going to unify the title with Aspinall, who he's also going to beat from pillar to post.
 
PurpleStorm said:
Not really. More a fan of comprehensible threads.
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It's had lots of interesting replies. Maybe it's incomprehensible to you who can't think of potential cool content discussion from it. Think deeper, bro lulz
 
I read this as will Tom comfort Jon and was all like (- _________- )
 
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