Why do fans pretend Tom is not the real duck?



This whole thread is like a flat earther vs. "normal" people.

Do you know when Tom said that, right? And Pereira didn't back down. But they put Hill in there. Now, Pereira called him more than once and he's like "Pereira should rematch Ankalaev firstly..."

Tom says he isn't a bully, but after Pereira beat Jiri Prochazka at UFC 303, he said on the fight lab at tnz sports channel — "if I fight Alex Pereira, that's gonna be one of the toughest fights of my career. The guy is an elite striker and his grappling is improving quickly". When Tom beat Curtis, he said at the post conference :

"I've an idea. Let's do a tournament. Alex moves up to HW, faces me. JJ faces Stipe. The winner, faces each other in a final like tournament"

... Alex has called him and he said "imo Ankalaev deserves credit and should get a rematch firstly"

So he went from
> Bullying a small guy (UFC 300)
To
> Pereira is one of the toughest fights I'd have in my career (post Jiri 2 win at 303)
To
> Idk who's more of a nightmare fight, JJ or Pereira, to me... JJ has huge skills and is well rounded at anything... Pereira is also very skilled, improved and is improving quickly still, and to me, one of the most dangerous guys to ever fight in the UFC. "
[Said after Alex Pereira vs Ankalaev first fight, in the podcast with Logan Paul, April/May 2025]

... So, context matters. At the UFC 300, Tom had said "I believe Hill wins by late fight stoppage"... He didn't think Alex Pereira was all that... To the point Tom could be the Hill there in UFC 300 hehe
 
Why is Tom not interested? Have you ever heard from Tom or the UFC ever that "a contract was given, Jon Jones avoided the fight"? Because Dana said "the fight was done", "Jon Jones never ducked, he did what we have said", "Jon Jones got his money".

> When Jon Jones said "Me, Tom and the UFC are allligned. We are just waiting them to tell the date and location" , Tom went on ESPN calling for JJ's retirement, saying "JJ is retired!!" ... Even the UK's (that bald Tom's friend) journalist was looking at Tom kinda ironically laughing on TmZ sports while Tom was "yeah... JJ has retired, let's not talk about him anymore!!" ... The UK journalist was "how come, Tom?". Then JJ ""retired"", Tom acted like "wow, I didn't see that coming!!"... And then JJ said "surprise MFs, ofc I'm not retired, I'm fighting whoever has the belt!!". And Tom "I'm not interested. I don't want to fight Jon Jones"

So... The question is, why are fans believing Tom and not seeing through the obvious act and who the REAL duck is?? Is Tom that good at trolling and speaking Sherdog's language? Tom might be McGregor in terms of being the biggest troll of MMA... Except McGregor fought tho. Tom is the #1 troll
how did I see this thread title and in an instant KNOW it was your stupid ass.... go over to reddit with this shit... IF they will have you....
BAN!!!!!!!!
 
@Luffy
Discussing with one of your two weird personas isn´t on my agenda. Not today nor anytime else.

And you want really an example? What about your first answer and your second? Everyone of you seems to have something to say to my one comment....

EDIT for clarification: first answer is fore sure Hyde, second seems more like Jackyll.
That “Hyde” side doesn’t just pop out of nowhere... It shows up when the answer I get is straight up ad hominem or some dismissive jab. I’m not going to hand out polite answers to someone who’s being an ass the whole time (not you necessarily). The way I post is simple, the poster respects me, I respect them in the answers. They go ad hominem, I’m not going to sugarcoat the reply.

The difference is, some of you read that as random mood swings, when it’s really just matching tone. If you’re seeing both “Jekyll” and “Hyde,” that’s not inconsistency, it’s just me treating people how they treat me. The respectful side is always there, you just don’t see it when you come at me swinging.
 
That “Hyde” side doesn’t just pop out of nowhere... It shows up when the answer I get is straight up ad hominem or some dismissive jab. I’m not going to hand out polite answers to someone who’s being an ass the whole time (not you necessarily). The way I post is simple, the poster respects me, I respect them in the answers. They go ad hominem, I’m not going to sugarcoat the reply.

The difference is, some of you read that as random mood swings, when it’s really just matching tone. If you’re seeing both “Jekyll” and “Hyde,” that’s not inconsistency, it’s just me treating people how they treat me. The respectful side is always there, you just don’t see it when you come at me swinging.
What ever...
 
Why is Tom not interested? Have you ever heard from Tom or the UFC ever that "a contract was given, Jon Jones avoided the fight"? Because Dana said "the fight was done", "Jon Jones never ducked, he did what we have said", "Jon Jones got his money".

> When Jon Jones said "Me, Tom and the UFC are allligned. We are just waiting them to tell the date and location" , Tom went on ESPN calling for JJ's retirement, saying "JJ is retired!!" ... Even the UK's (that bald Tom's friend) journalist was looking at Tom kinda ironically laughing on TmZ sports while Tom was "yeah... JJ has retired, let's not talk about him anymore!!" ... The UK journalist was "how come, Tom?". Then JJ ""retired"", Tom acted like "wow, I didn't see that coming!!"... And then JJ said "surprise MFs, ofc I'm not retired, I'm fighting whoever has the belt!!". And Tom "I'm not interested. I don't want to fight Jon Jones"

So... The question is, why are fans believing Tom and not seeing through the obvious act and who the REAL duck is?? Is Tom that good at trolling and speaking Sherdog's language? Tom might be McGregor in terms of being the biggest troll of MMA... Except McGregor fought tho. Tom is the #1 troll
you are brazilian right? You have an account in Portal do vale tudo?
Just asking.
 
Do you know when Tom said that, right? And Pereira didn't back down. But they put Hill in there. Now, Pereira called him more than once and he's like "Pereira should rematch Ankalaev firstly..."

Tom says he isn't a bully, but after Pereira beat Jiri Prochazka at UFC 303, he said on the fight lab at tnz sports channel — "if I fight Alex Pereira, that's gonna be one of the toughest fights of my career. The guy is an elite striker and his grappling is improving quickly". When Tom beat Curtis, he said at the post conference :

"I've an idea. Let's do a tournament. Alex moves up to HW, faces me. JJ faces Stipe. The winner, faces each other in a final like tournament"

... Alex has called him and he said "imo Ankalaev deserves credit and should get a rematch firstly"

So he went from
> Bullying a small guy (UFC 300)
To
> Pereira is one of the toughest fights I'd have in my career (post Jiri 2 win at 303)
To
> Idk who's more of a nightmare fight, JJ or Pereira, to me... JJ has huge skills and is well rounded at anything... Pereira is also very skilled, improved and is improving quickly still, and to me, one of the most dangerous guys to ever fight in the UFC. "
[Said after Alex Pereira vs Ankalaev first fight, in the podcast with Logan Paul, April/May 2025]

... So, context matters. At the UFC 300, Tom had said "I believe Hill wins by late fight stoppage"... He didn't think Alex Pereira was all that... To the point Tom could be the Hill there in UFC 300 hehe

Tom has been trying, for years, to get the Jon Jones fight to happen, and by all sources we have, it is Jon who has said no. Many, many times. Wasting years of Toms career.

With the people Tom has fought, you believe Tom is afraid of fighting Alex. Who got K.O'ed by Adersanya.

*shrug* Believe what you want. I do feel your opinion is based on what you "feel", instead of what we know. But yeah, to each his own.
 
you are brazilian right? You have an account in Portal do vale tudo?
Just asking.
Yes for the first question and no for the second. Don't even know what is Portal do vale tudo
 
Haha Luffy doing Luffy shit. Can't take it seriously guys, he **might** believe what he's typing but none of this is something a reasonable person would take seriously. Just have a chuckle and move on.
 
Tom has been trying, for years, to get the Jon Jones fight to happen, and by all sources we have, it is Jon who has said no. Many, many times. Wasting years of Toms career.

With the people Tom has fought, you believe Tom is afraid of fighting Alex. Who got K.O'ed by Adersanya.

*shrug* Believe what you want. I do feel your opinion is based on what you "feel", instead of what we know. But yeah, to each his own.
Pereira has been clear he wants that fight. Meanwhile, when Tom got asked about it recently on ESPN, instead of jumping into the opportunity to show his skills vs the biggest superstar in the sport, and someone more valuable name wise than anyone other than JJ that he could face, his answer was "I think, I'm just speaking if I were Alex, but I think... Pereira should rematch Ankalaev"

That's not the answer you give if you're really into facing Pereira (which he was last year many times post UFC 300 until Pereira beat Rountree, to which he was more like ehhh). That's an answer redirecting Alex Pereira to someone else for Pereira to keep busy all while that's the biggest to fight he could have(he said Pereira is way tougher than Gane... He said Gane was an 8 and Pereira, a 9.5)...

Plus, leaning always on the "he got KO'd by Adesanya" like it's some permanent disqualifier is getting kinda old... Since then, Alex has taken out 4 former champions at LHW, defended the belt 3x, proving his power carried up even better at LHW... A middleweight KO while cutting massive weight meaning Tom has nothing to worry about is ignoring the reality of what Pereira has done since. He fought someone ( Ankalaev) who's naturally ~240lbs, so a big LHW and who's on a way more impressive record than Tom, all while sick and losing by a very close 3-2 that had the odds post fight saying "it was a 52/48 fight for Ankalaev" — Ank -125 vs +100 Pereira post fight with the DraftKings irl odds.


MMA doesn't work like that. If even cutting weight Pereira could match the skills of MWs, then fighting at his natural size, which he has shown recently as 245 lbs all while being lean and having very low fat mass (strong, fit physique that is as lean as Miocic's physique, while Alex weighs 245 lbs), and considering Pereira has improved a lot since then even, he has withstood strikes from way heavier power punchers than Adesanya (showing dehydration lowers resilience which is acknowledged by many fighters) and has proven his TDD is elite vs a sambo specialist from Dagestan... It all show Pereira is a more active, a dangerous top tier LHW from modern era with HW size (when not cutting weight), who is chasing out a fight with Tom for a while. Tom's answer, unlike before, makes it sound like he'd rather see Alex Pereira busy elsewhere. Heck, Tom said Pereira would be tougher than any HW after Pereira beat Jiri at 303, saying "I'm focused on Curtis Blaydes now, but Alex Pereira would be one of the most dangerous fights I'd ever have" — he said that literally, on the TMZ Fight Lab channel when analysing Alex Pereira vs Jiri Prochazka 2...

I believe Alex Pereira would beat Tom like he did vs Jiri. The myth of "HWs are on another level " is imo more just a bias size people have. Topuria proved recently that moving up when having the size of a LW is easier than fighting while cutting weight at FW. Volk proved the same by giving Makhachev his hardest fight ever since Islam's loss. JJ proved that by making little work of Gane in his first HW fight, after 3 years without fighting. When you her, JJ had had tough fights at the last LHW era before he was in before this one, vs Santos, Reyes.

Bigger # better. Proven more often than not.
 
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Pereira has been clear he wants that fight. Meanwhile, when Tom got asked about it recently on ESPN instead of jumping into the opportunity to show his skills vs the biggest superstar in the sport and someone more valuable name wise than anyone other than JJ he could face, his answer was "I think, I'm just speaking if I were Alex, but I think... Pereira should rematch Ankalaev"

That's not the answer you give if you're really in the face Pereira (which he was last year many times post UFC 300 until Pereira beat Rountree, to which he was more like ehhh). That's an answer redirecting Alex Pereira to someone else for Pereira to keep busy all while that's the biggest to fight he could have. Plus, leaning always on the "he got KO'd by Adesanya" like it's some permanent disqualifier is getting kinda old... Since then, Alex has taken out 4 former champions at LHW, defended the belt 3x, proving his power carried up even better at LHW... A middleweight KO while cutting massive weight meaning Tom has nothing to worry about is ignoring the reality of what Pereira has done since. He fought someone ( Ankalaev) who's naturally ~240lbs, so a big LHW and who's on a way more impressive record than Tom, while sick and lost by a very close 3-2 that had the odds post fine saying "it was a 52/48 fight for Ankalaev — Ank -125 vs +100 Pereira post fight".


MMA doesn't work like that. If even cutting weight Pereira could match the skills of MWs, then fighting at his natural size, which he has shown recently as 245 lbs all while being lean and having very lot fat mass (strong, fit physique that is as strong as Miocic's while Alex weighs 245 lbs), considering Pereira has improved a lot since then, has withstood strikes from way heavier power punchers than Adesanya (showing dehydration lowers resilience which is acknowledged by many fighters) and has proved his TDD is elite vs a sambo specialist from Dagestan... It all shows Pereira is more active, a dangerous top tier LHW from modern era with HW size when notmcitting weight, and is clashing out Tom. Tom's answer unlike before, makes it sound like he'd rather see Alex Pereira busy elsewhere. Heck, Tom said Pereira would be tougher than any HW after Pereira beat Jiri at 303, saying "I'm focused on Curtis Blaydes now, but Alex Pereira would be one of the most dangerous fights I'd ever have" — he said that literally on the TMZ Fight Lab channel when analysing Alex Pereira vs Jiri Prochazka 2...

I believe Alex Pereira would beat Tom like he did vs Jiri. The myth of "HWs are on another level " is imo more just a bias size people have. Topuria proved recently that moving up when having the size of a LW is easier than fighting cutting weight at FW. Volk proved the same by giving Makhachev his hardest fight ever since Islam's loss. JJ proved that by making little work if Gane in his first HW fight after 3 years without fighting while younger, he had tough fights at the last LHW era before this one, vs Santos, Reyes. Bigger # better.

Nah.
 
Haha Luffy doing Luffy shit. Can't take it seriously guys, he **might** believe what he's typing but none of this is something a reasonable person would take seriously. Just have a chuckle and move on.
The problem is that a clever troll will take facts that we all agree on and then spin his own narrative that is designed to create outrage. This guy just makes up his own facts, "quotes" people who never said it, and continually references things that never happened. Then he relentlessly spams the forum where he has multiple threads on the front page at all times. If one drops off, he makes two more. No mod of the past would have allowed this but I guess they've been told not to ban for this type of forum spamming anymore.
 
As much shit as I'm giving the Jones-haters about their hypocrisy and double-standard on this, the claim that fighters are "ducking" each other gets thrown around way too casually around here. There's a small handful of top fighters who actively avoided others, specifically, or avoided groups of fighters, in the history of MMA.

Overeem ducked testing in the USA when he was Strikeforce champ. Belfort did actually actively avoid Mousassi during their primes. Conor ducked all contenders during his championship reign. That's about it. There might be one or two others, but the volume of accusations vs the reality is pretty absurd.

Jones didn't duck Aspinall, Reyes, Santos, or whomever was randomly chosen because they were rising in the LHW division when he was bulking up for his move to HW.

Aspinall isn't ducking Jones, he's getting on with the business of being the HW champ, which would mean considering and actually fighting fighters who aren't retired.
 
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Well when they fight we will know. It's inevitable... 😉

Great. As long as you don't invent fantasies in your head and try to sell everyone that they were a real thing that happened I think we'll be good! 🤣
 
The problem is that a clever troll will take facts that we all agree on and then spin his own narrative that is designed to create outrage. This guy just makes up his own facts, "quotes" people who never said it, and continually references things that never happened. Then he relentlessly spams the forum where he has multiple threads on the front page at all times. If one drops off, he makes two more. No mod of the past would have allowed this but I guess they've been told not to ban for this type of forum spamming anymore.

I hear ya but if my only choice is get pissed or laugh, I'll just laugh at him. The fake quotes are hilarious though, who does he think he's fooling?
 
He is supposed to give the idiot that wasted 2 years olf his career a shot? Plus he knows that Jones wouldnt show up anyway. He wouldnt fight Tom at 37 years of age for 30 fckn mill so there is no way he will fight him at 39 with the very high chance of getting Koed badly infront of the president and the entire world watching.
Why do you people always count the year that Jon was injured? Tom knew when he stepped in for the interim shot, that was supposed to be Stipe/Pav and not even him, that Jon was injured and incapable of fighting him if he won.

Tom knew the deal. There was always going to be time off once he agreed to try and win the interim. It happens with literally every interim yet only for Jon is it suddenly an issue. Frankly Tom's lucky he got to fight Blaydes in the meantime for truckloads of money in his home town to avenge his prior loss.

All you guys can actually reasonably count is November 2024 to June 2025. November is when Jon returned and that could've been Tom instead of Stipe, and/or another fight/rematch in the 7 months until Jon's retirement.

Just cause you guys hate the man doesn't mean you have to invent bullshit like Jon should've been fighting while out with an injury, or that Tom didn't know that was the entire reason there was even an interim for him to win and put him in line for a title fight in the first place. Feel like most of you are forgetting Tom was on a 1 fight win streak over Tybura when he got called into the interim. He was going to need more wins anyways to get a title shot.
 
Great. As long as you don't invent fantasies in your head and try to sell everyone that they were a real thing that happened I think we'll be good! 🤣
I mean who I think it's going to win more likely is a fantasy, as worth as anyone's opinion on who'd win. Same way ppl say Tom quickly wins I disagree as I see the opposite when rewatching their recent fights as more likely to happen if they clash (I think they will, it'd be a loss of opportunity not to have this fight made). It's just my guess on how I think it'd go. I'm in the 2% here yeah but any "who wins in your opinion?" when replied confidently is fantasy... We have never seen them fight... They haven't fought even the same opponent... So it's all speculation ofc. And no one uses IMO when saying "fighter A smashes", so don't take the fact I don't add those as me acting like I'm the truth when it's just an opinion like everyone else's lol. We must chill out on these "I think it goes this" ... It's all guess work based off what we think is more likely from analysing their fights, styles, etc. Apparently you take mine as if I'm laying the truth when I frame it the same way everyone who's confident does. Don't give me too much credit lol consider it an opinion from a random fan which I am as well as most ppl here...
 
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