War Room Lounge V77: Anthony Johnson is not a good unit of measure

[DoctorTaco]

How do you guys feel about Vancouver WA? And do you have any opinions about the police or sheriff’s departments there?

It’s one of the places the wife and I have been advance scouting.

vancouver is a pretty cool little city. I haven’t heard anything one way or another about the police here which means they’re probably pretty good. Portland PD catches a ration of shit (some of it well deserved, some of it not) but you never hear anything about Vancouver cops. The cities clean, the schools are good, the only thing that sucks is traffic into and out of Portland can get hairy.

 

[Trotsky]

That whole ''if you kill your enemies, they win'' thing? Yeah, that's still going. ''That's just a joke'' no, it's not, because it wouldn't be funny 4 years later.

This part confuses me. Can you elaborate?

However, he has been criticized for some concrete things. For one, people hate the carbon tax. That's actually the one policy of Trudeau's that I unequivocally support. People pretend to hate the corruption of the SNC Lavalin scandal. That's actually why I am glad they lost their majority.

But yes, you should really not consider the Canadian presence on this board as representative of Canada. It's a bad sample.

Is there no authentic left in Canada, vis-a-vis the Corbynistas in the UK or what small clique Melenchon has been able to scrap together in France, or have the neoliberals pretty well cornered the left-of-center market?

There seems to be a small but considerable wealth of left-wing criticism of Trudeau (he's probably the English-speaking left's favorite liberal whipping boy after Hillary Clinton), but I'm not aware of much of a real left-wing political pressure on him inside Canada's government.

 

[Gregolian]

@Gregolian I just found out that flamethrowers are unregulated and legal to own in 49/50 states.

 

[Trotsky]

Oh look: Paul Krugman is being a moron again.

Krugman is right.

Remember when lynching rhetoric was so mainstream with the Trumpian right that there were shirts about lynching journalists literally being sold at Walmart?

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

Krugman is right.

Remember when lynching rhetoric was so mainstream with the Trumpian right that there were shirts about lynching journalists literally being sold at Walmart?

I didn’t remember that, but it’s disgusting.

 

[Prokofievian]

This part confuses me. Can you elaborate?

Some people spread a meme which claimed that Trudeau once said ''if you kill your enemies, they win.'' This was a completely fabricated quote. If you do a little bit of googling, you can find its likely source, who appears to be fucking crazy. That doesn't stop it from being a meme 4 years later. People will claim they always knew it wasn't true, which is the usual play. Of course it doesn't matter if it is true or not.

Is there no authentic left in Canada, vis-a-vis the Corbynistas in the UK or what small clique Melenchon has been able to scrap together in France, or have the neoliberals pretty well cornered the left-of-center market?

There seems to be a small but considerable wealth of left-wing criticism of Trudeau (he's probably the English-speaking left's favorite liberal whipping boy after Hillary Clinton), but I'm not aware of much of a real left-wing political pressure on him inside Canada's government.

The political conversation in Canada is entirely liberal democratic. There's no international socialist movement in the house of commons. The NDP wants pharmacare, not a revolution. The one major break from this was Maxime Bernier, who crashed and burned spectacularly doing his best (worst?) Trump impression.

 

[My Spot]

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[Trotsky]

Some people spread a meme which claimed that Trudeau once said ''if you kill your enemies, they win.'' This was a completely fabricated quote. If you do a little bit of googling, you can find its likely source, who appears to be fucking crazy. That doesn't stop it from being a meme 4 years later. People will claim they always knew it wasn't true, which is the usual play. Of course it doesn't matter if it is true or not.

Ahh. Yeah, that sounds about par for the course here in the States as well.

The political conversation in Canada is entirely liberal democratic. There's no international socialist movement in the house of commons. The NDP wants pharmacare, not a revolution. The one major break from this was Maxime Bernier, who crashed and burned spectacularly doing his best (worst?) Trump impression.

So, the left-wing criticisms of Trudeau are, in part, that he's bad for organized labor (in Canada and abroad with ideological commitment to free trade), his foreign policy is exploitative and hypocritical (kowtowing to Saudi Arabia and Israel; selling weapons), and, perhaps most frequently, his hostility to environmentalism.

https://socialistworker.org/2016/09/12/justin-trudeau-isnt-your-friend

And there aren't concerted pushes on those issues from his left in Canada? Man, that's depressing.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

It's a shame football season is officially over.

Can't wait to my watch my Sixers tonight

 

[Trotsky]

I didn’t remember that, but it’s disgusting.

Wow, stop being intolerant. The left and the right are the same and neither is more reprehensible than the other.

 

[Sketch]

So, what made you think left-leaning people, me, for example, were suffering great angst over the lead-up to the election? Is it just because so many of your right-leaning brethren were having fits?

I just think left leaning people have more anxiety in general.

 

[Andy Capp]

It's 40 minutes long, but please make time in your week to watch this video. It's about the process in which a normal person becomes radicalized by the alt-right. So much of it rings true about the people in this forum that its honestly a little disconcerting.

I had to watch this in two parts just due to the press of other matters. Just finished it.

What do you suppose the odds are that any "gabes" in here will watch even 10 minutes of it? Don't take that the wrong way, mind; I'm not criticizing it for its length or you for posting it--rather I am curious about whether any of them would even try watching a little bit of it, and if so, what the odds are it would do any good.

I'm not naming names to avoid inaccurate labeling but I truly wonder if any of them have the guts to give it an honest go and tell us about it.

 

[Prokofievian]

So, the left-wing criticisms of Trudeau are, in part, that he's bad for organized labor (in Canada and abroad with ideological commitment to free trade), his foreign policy is exploitative and hypocritical (kowtowing to Saudi Arabia and Israel; selling weapons), and, perhaps most frequently, his hostility to environmentalism.

https://socialistworker.org/2016/09/12/justin-trudeau-isnt-your-friend

And there aren't concerted pushes on those issues from his left in Canada? Man, that's depressing.

These criticisms are mostly correct. About unions, the Conservatives are explicitly ''right to work'' and the Liberals are not, so they have that going for them in so far as unions are concerned. Mind you, the harper government didn't get right to work done when they had a majority, but it's always in their policy document. But he's also negotiated two free trade agreements in the last 4 years.

In trying to be all things to all people he ends up being nothing in particular to anybody. He gets criticized from the right as being an environmentalist ideologue (carbon tax, tanker moratoriums, indigenous consulation), but also as being a petroleum lackey from the NDP and the Greens. This came up during the debates.

 

[Trotsky]

It's 40 minutes long, but please make time in your week to watch this video. It's about the process in which a normal person becomes radicalized by the alt-right. So much of it rings true about the people in this forum that its honestly a little disconcerting.

I'll try to watch this later, but that dude's voice and way of speaking really annoys me, especially when he does the thing where he pretends to be two people having an argument.

 

[Sketch]

I had to watch this in two parts just due to the press of other matters. Just finished it.

What do you suppose the odds are that any "gabes" in here will watch even 10 minutes of it? Don't take that the wrong way, mind; I'm not criticizing it for its length or you for posting it--rather I am curious about whether any of them would even try watching a little bit of it, and if so, what the odds are it would do any good.

I'm not naming names to avoid inaccurate labeling but I truly wonder if any of them have the guts to give it an honest go and tell us about it.

Should I give it a watch?

 

[Islam Imamate]

Rowan Atkinson’s soldier son travels to Nepal to join the Gurkhas – and learns local ‘chat-up’ lines and dance moves


https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowb...ok&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebarweb

Lt Ben Atkinson — the Mr Bean actor’s double — spent three months in Nepal earlier this year.
Rowan Atkinson’s son has joined the Gurkhas to learn chat up lines
As a Gurkha officer and platoon commander in the proud regiment he must learn the Nepalese lingo.

He underwent a ten-week course and was also taught about the culture which creates heroic Gurkhas, a unique unit within the British Army.

A write-up in The Gurkha Brigade Association’s newsletter revealed he also picked up some local dance moves.

It said: “Lt Atkinson grasped the language remarkably quickly.


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Lt Ben Atkinson pictured with a Gurkha in Brunei
“This may be attributed either to his language experience, having studied both Arabic and Spanish previously, or to his urgent requirement to learn the local Nepalese ‘chat-up’ lines.
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“Learning Nepalese dance moves was a personal priority and Lt Atkinson was quick to establish an impressive ‘uthyo basyo’ (an up-down rapid squatting dance-move).”

Lt Ben, 26, whose dad is worth around £90million, provided a guard of honour last year for Emmanuel Macron and Theresa May at Sandhurst.

The Exeter University graduate is from Rowan’s first marriage to make-up artist Sunetra Sastry, 62.

I grew up hearing about the Gurkas and their Kukris, very interesting people.

Stepping in here because I believe I was involved in this and I’ve seen a few times now where not tagging has been mentioned. I’m taking that call back now. Jack can use tags and Igna can use the ignore feature if needed. This is what I suggest for any of these instances now instead of trying to impose a mod enforced block on any specific poster. Beforehand, trying to enforce these case by case became tedious and unnecessary but that’s on me. The sites features make it perfectly possible to ignore users without having mods involved.

That's true. Personally one of the few things that will get me to ignore a poster is if they tag me just to taunt. I can forgive that if they're an otherwise decent poster or the insults are clever enough but I have ignored at least two posters for that very reason because neither was true in their case.

 

[Andy Capp]

interesting video this cop has amazing patience
https://www.gazettetimes.com/news/l...cle_c04e3d7a-0360-5b74-a039-683e440b640e.html
The NAACP is condemning the Oct. 13 arrest of a black Oregon State University student who was riding her bicycle against traffic, saying Genesis Hansen was victimized by police because of her race.

“As the nation’s oldest civil rights organization, we view this civil rights violation by state and local law enforcement as another example of racial inequity and excessive use of force imposed on communities of color by law enforcement,” the organization said in a statement issued Monday.

The statement was signed by E.D. Mondaine of the NAACP’s Alaska, Oregon and Washington conference and Angel Harris of the Corvallis/Albany branch.

I find it hard to imagine anyone perceives that as excessive use of force. I also think allowing states to set educational standards and leaving civics out of school curricula has a lot to do with this type of person's behavior.

At the same time, carding/stop&frisk/street checks (all now deemed illegal*, no less) are the primary reason the people targeted by them don't understand the difference between these actions and a lawful request to present ID based on probable cause that an infraction has been committed. That's an own goal on the part of law enforcement.

So, while you and I know this girl had no leg to stand on in terms of whether she committed an offence, the offence she apparently committed is one that is largely never enforced and a simple warning would likely have sufficed whether or not she was willing to present her ID. Given the foregoing, her reticence, while obviously misplaced, is completely understandable and I think it's a shame the discussion is not being framed more honestly by any of the parties involved, on both sides, both sides.

I don't think the officer in the video deserves any special kudos for his patience in addressing a problem the police created when he failed to gain her cooperation. What would have prompted praise from me is if he had asked to reset the whole point of view of the discussion to one of concern for public safety and understanding of the broader context of her refusal. And then if she still refused to cooperate the cuffs would still be an appropriate next step.


*that's not strictly true about carding as far as the Toronto Police are concerned--they continue to deny doing anything wrong, but there is no effective difference between what they are doing and what was recently banned in Nova Scotia under the term "street checks".

 

[Higus]

I'll try to watch this later, but that dude's voice and way of speaking really annoys me, especially when he does the thing where he pretends to be two people having an argument.

lol you've been an ornery little shit recently.

 

[Higus]

@Higus

I'll give you props for finding that alt right video and posting it here. Do you think there is a way to combat what's being done?

Can you clarify? Combat what, exactly?

 

[Andy Capp]

Should I give it a watch?

You aren't particularly among the people I was referring to in my post since I have a strong feeling you're a very committed troll rather than a true believer, but in as much as I would like if every person on Sherdog watched it from beginning to end, sure. Fill yer boots, b'y.