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  1. Falsedawn

    Falsedawn Buttermilk Jesus Platinum Member

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    I was speaking specifically as to the term "Useful idiot" as being a political term (hence why I quoted that post), which you are truly quite mistaken on.

    You should take your own advice.
     
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    Sycho Sid Master of the world and the universe

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    He never does
     
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    Yeah, all the time. <45>
     
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    Ruprecht Hands Of The Judges Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Not really. Clinton used it ambiguously in relation to Stein (you could interpret the "also" as referring to Gabbard, but it could just as easily have been in relation to the other characteristics she attributes to Stein) running as a third party and thereby promoting Russia's presumed goal of a Trump reelection. That doesn't require them to be an "Agent".
     
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    Ruprecht Hands Of The Judges Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    It's an affectionate term. Typically used with dogs who are endearingly stupid.
    Only use of "boof" I've ever heard.
     
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    You're implying Kanavaugh was lying under oath?
     
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    I thought it meant drinking beer through the butt?
     
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  9. Anung Un Rama

    Anung Un Rama Idol of Millions Platinum Member

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    No it doesn't, but you don't come unhinged like Clinton and start spouting conspiracy theories about people you have grudge against, and you don't use terms that hint at treason ambiguously like a maniac. RT is not evidence of anybody being groomed. BUT, by Clinton's own usage of the word, her allowing her private server to get hacked makes her a Russian asset.
     
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    Jack V Savage Secretary of Keepin' It Real/Nicest Guy on Sherdog

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    Clinton's private server was not hacked.
     
  11. Jack V Savage

    Jack V Savage Secretary of Keepin' It Real/Nicest Guy on Sherdog

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    Good summary of the big news today:



    Ed: Referring to the thread, rather than that one tweet, though that's also a good (much more-concise) summary.
     
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    Ruprecht Hands Of The Judges Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    No, the term "useful idiot" means intentionally advancing a cause/objective. Not just incompetence.
    Like I said, it's not a new smear. It's been used on the left-wing and anti-war protestors since it was coined.
    More strange to me is that she'd address Gabbard at all, given her seeming irrelevance as a candidate, and that she'd talk about her making a 3rd party run despite Gabbard explicitly denying that she'd do it.
     
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  13. Anung Un Rama

    Anung Un Rama Idol of Millions Platinum Member

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    Good point. The DNC is a Russian asset.
     
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    Jack V Savage Secretary of Keepin' It Real/Nicest Guy on Sherdog

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    I think she just has talks without thinking about the impact (there and often). The idea of her being calculated is a result of her being so bad at faking it when she has to. But I actually think her comments do sort of defuse the threat because if Gabbard does it, it's likely that she'd eat into the GOP support more than Democratic support.
     
  15. Anung Un Rama

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    you're hanging onto the "useful idiot" part. An asset who isn't a spy is somebody who provides value with our without their knowledge.
    As Jack pointed out, I was wrong, Clinton wasn't herself an asset by this definition, the entire DNC was.
     
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    Jack V Savage Secretary of Keepin' It Real/Nicest Guy on Sherdog

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    Come on, Anung. Why not just discuss the issue honestly?
     
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    I am discussing this as seriously as it warrants.
    Hillary Clinton smeared a US Senator as being groomed as a Russian asset, and accused a former presidential candidate, who is no running for office, of being a Russian asset. And it just so happens that these people are not well liked by Hillary.

    That is a very serious accusations without more than low level conspiracy theory level evidence to support it.

    Team Clinton is falling all over themselves to disambiguate the term "asset".
    There are 2 ways you can interpret it:
    1. Spy
    2. Something useful to defeat an enemy

    If you're saying she didn't mean "spy", and that she meant "something useful to defeat an enemy", then the DNC server, and therefore the DNC was a Russian Asset. Unless you don't think they were hacked...
     
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    She said that a U.S. Congresswoman (not senator) was being groomed by Republicans (not Russians) to run third party. She credibly accused a former presidential candidate of being a Russian asset.

    Put aside your view of the "tribes." It's not relevant. People who care about accuracy are pointing out that she said "asset" rather than "agent." And you know that the DNC wouldn't fit the definition of Russian asset, while Stein likely would.
     
  20. Anung Un Rama

    Anung Un Rama Idol of Millions Platinum Member

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    We know she said asset, and asset is synonymous with, among other things, spy.
    And yes, the DNC would be an asset if Russia were able to hack their computers for valuable information.
     
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