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International Vance, Zelensky, Trump argue in front of press

No it's not.

Responding with this just clearly demonstrates you understand the logic of my argument and don't like it.

Disincentivizing migrants to seek out border patrol is going to bring down encounter figures. It doesn't mean migrants have stopped trying to cross the border and it doesn't mean they've successfully stopped them from getting across.

It just means we don't know at all either way.
How do you count the lizard people if they shapeshift?
 
First guy, a Ukrainian living in the US, says Americans should go to Ukraine to fight.

 
I feel like Trump had it under control until JD got caught up on arguing with Zelensky over some meaningless details, which prompted Trump to try to back him up.

Previously I felt like JD would be a calming influence, but it seems like he's stuck in campaign mode and trying to set up a 2028 run for himself by appealing to Trump's base. It's actually Trump who has settled more into the role of a statesman rather than a campaigning politician, maybe because he feels no pressure about upcoming elections anymore.

JD's inexperience showed here in my opinion, the main objective there was to get Zelensky to walk out of there with his name signed on that paper, you can worry about him being thankful enough, or wearing a suit, or forcing people to fight against their will, at a later date.

Trump started picking on Zelensky himself in the driveway making comments about his outfit.
 
Unfortunately, there are consequences. Did you see Europe's response to that meeting? Your allies don't just forget.

Whether Zelenskyy was asking for it is not the point, although I agree he certainly played a part - but that is not an excuse for the highest office on the planet. You can hash that out behind closed doors.

Doing it in front of the world sends a message, and it wasn't a positive one like they want you to believe.

OMG... The EU is finally acting instead of relying on the US?

Wow... What a horrible development. lol

Honestly... Many of the countries in the EU are starting to act a little Russia like

Isn't arresting people for saying "wrong" words is a thing Putin would do.

 
Wait till you find out they're lying about that too.

Migrants just aren't interfacing with border agents anymore and are back to the old ways of just sneaking in. Encounters are down on paper because prior to the Trump admin migrants were seeking out border patrol and other law enforcement agents to turn themselves in and submit to the asylum process. That's how we were able to count them.

Now they're just sneaking in and no accounting of them is being done at all.

But hey, at least number on graph went down!
That sounds plausible but also not mutually exclusive with the fact that illegal immigration is indeed down and I'd bet it is.
 
That sounds plausible but also not mutually exclusive with the fact that illegal immigration is indeed down and I'd bet it is.

I mean both can be true at the same time. Overall numbers could be down, but not by 95% like they're trying to claim just on encounter figures. Yet the number of unaccounted for successful illegal entries are up because why wouldn't they be when the process for willfully encountering law enforcement has basically been abandoned by the current administration.
 
What do you mean they're not being transparent?

I didn't make the initial claim which is why I posted a range. For whatever reason you seem annoyed anytime I ask you to substantiate your claims but shouldn't that be the bare minimum expectation? Why does that bother you?

You have to go to various articles to try and find numbers on the amount-none of which match. Othing from the government that I could see. That’s not being transparent
 
Gosh you guys are dumb.

The thread was about the war between Ukraine and Russia, how can we discuss without mentioning Russia?


Maybe you know the answer: Trump and his 2016 campaign had over 100 points of contact with known Russian operatives, what do you think they were discussing?
Accusing Trump of colluding with Russia, that’s what I’m responding to. It’s always the same old crap. The left loves to talk a lot of crap about the war, but have no solution to end it.
 
You have to go to various articles to try and find numbers on the amount-none of which match. Othing from the government that I could see. That’s not being transparent
I think that has more to do with the fact that the aid comes in different forms and was disbursed at different times. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of it has yet to be disbursed.
 
I JUST took you off ignore. Don’t ruin the fun. Explain how we can’t be so sure there aren’t millions of shapeshifting lizard people running the world!

I mean, it's better when you pretend to ignore me and still read my posts anyway. IMO

You're just a very dishonest person.
 
Noone is saying Zelensky isnt combative... but it's more about resisting Russia at this point and the best way to do that.
You getting a rifle or just waiving your big balls around while other people die? Those people are conscripted btw.
 
I can't post the link but Doocy from Fox is reporting that their will be no mineral deal until Zelensky goes in front of a camera and makes a public apology.
 
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