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International Trump goes in on Putin

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The only reason this war is happening is cause your country is such a threat to everyone else that allowing a base in Ukraine would be the beginning to the end of Russia, but you guys will sacrifice every single Ukrainian to make it happen.

What an idiotic take. So russia is allowed to invade Ukraine, target their civilians, and steal their land, because otherwise the US would set up a missile base there? Are we just making shit up now?

And you do know that Russia, sure does have a lot of bases and missiles in Ukraine right now. Do all those get a pass?


This here is exactly what you lefties pretend detest, hating a group of people based on ethnicity while simultaneously doing just that.

Yeah that's it mate. The white guy from Louisiana secretly hates on Russians because they're white and embraces Ukrainians because....they aren't?

I gave you the reasons why I wouldn't trust Putin. You avoided them all.
 
Yeah in a country bigger than Canada and US combined, the only target is Moscow, let me guess you bomb the Kremlin and Putin dies and we all join hands and sing. You actually believe that all their militiary hardware is just neatly stored altogether in one giant base in Moscow or multiple bases around the country?
The first target won't be Moscow, it'll be military storage, power/gas supplies, and supply routes which are most likely deep inside Russia, that's why they want that buffer zone.

Nobody is bombing Russia. That is a fairy tale nonsense. A nuclear nation will never attack another nuclear nation.

A couple of hundred kilometers isn't going to make a difference in a world where nuclear submarines exist. Once again, the only reason Putin doesn't want Ukraine to join NATO is because he won't be able to invade it. Thats it. Shameless pro-Russian propaganda.
 
Nobody is bombing Russia. That is a fairy tale nonsense. A nuclear nation will never attack another nuclear nation.

A couple of hundred kilometers isn't going to make a difference in a world where nuclear submarines exist. Once again, the only reason Putin doesn't want Ukraine to join NATO is because he won't be able to invade it. Thats it. Shameless pro-Russian propaganda.
What resources are in Ukraine that he would want?
 
What an idiotic take. So russia is allowed to invade Ukraine, target their civilians, and steal their land, because otherwise the US would set up a missile base there? Are we just making shit up now?

And you do know that Russia, sure does have a lot of bases and missiles in Ukraine right now. Do all those get a pass?




Yeah that's it mate. The white guy from Louisiana secretly hates on Russians because they're white and embraces Ukrainians because....they aren't?

I gave you the reasons why I wouldn't trust Putin. You avoided them all.
I don't know what terms of Russia's deal with Ukraine was or who broke the deal first, do you?

And i gave you plenty of reason why the rest of the world doesn't trust the US.

No you openly hate them cause they're Russian.
 
I'm not talking about the Mueller investigation. I'm talking simply about the fact that the DNC and Hillary Clinton's campaign actively commissioned the report through Fusion GPS. It didn't come from nowhere. It was literal Russian misinformation paid for (and leaked) by the DNC and the Clinton Campaign... which, again, sounds like collusion.
Having an American opposition research company conduct opposition research—as both the RNC and DNC did with the Steele dossier—isn’t illegal though. The issue with Trump, and the reason that the FBI and then Mueller investigated, is because his campaign seemed to have knowledge of illegal Russian hacking, communication with Russia about it, and received the benefit of it, which could possibly be a violation of federal law, a felony.
 
What resources are in Ukraine that he would want?
Hmm, vast oil reserves and accomplishing Putin's wet dream fantasy of reincarnating the Soviet Union. He has written about how Ukrainian culture is non-existent in his eyes. It isn't a secret.

Nice hoo-ra-ra speech,
I don't know about the western world thinking that Russians are cunts but I'm sure The English, French, Canadians and rest of the world can't stand you , mostly cause of arrogant cunts like you who think their military is an extension of themselves. Every country you guys have touched has turned to shit including your own. You haven't freed or liberated anyone, that's just what they tell pigeons like you to separate you from your money via tax, then they play the anthem and flash the stars and stripes and send you home feeling good about yourself.
Ask the Poles or any of the baltic states that ran to NATO, what they think about Russia and why they joined NATO? Russia is like a chick that has been divorced like 5 times and claims that the other person was always the problem....

The only reason this war is happening is cause your country is such a threat to everyone else that allowing a base in Ukraine would be the beginning to the end of Russia, but you guys will sacrifice every single Ukrainian to make it happen. The fact that you, as an American, think you have some kind of moral high ground or are a savior is absolutely laughable to the rest of the world. It's too bad you probably don't speak any other languages to be able to comprehend how fuck'n annoying Americans like you are to the rest of the world.
In 2014, Ukraine had no leaning towards NATO and Russia invaded them...Now Ukraine wanted to arm themselves to prevent another invasion. Why is it so impossible to believe that Ukrainians would seek out help from other nations to arm themselves after an invasion and having their land stripped from them?

Nonetheless, I understand the West has done bad shit that doesn't mean that everyone that opposes the West is naturally innocent or helpless. You are clearly clueless on the topic, so you are picking sides because of your insecurities.

This here is exactly what you lefties pretend detest, hating a group of people based on ethnicity while simultaneously doing just that.
Western Leftists pretty much utilize the same talking points that you do about NATO and MIC. Also criticizing a nation doesn't mean that you dislike all the people living there. Quit playing ID politics because you lack the mental capacity to form actual arguements.

I don't know what terms of Russia's deal with Ukraine was or who broke the deal first, do you?
Then shut up and don't speak so authoratively lol
 
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Other than land and a larger control over the black sea?

Its his ongoing project of land-grabbing and Russia's expansion to the west
So nothing that he doesn't have plenty of other than the buffer zone I was talking about.
Let's say Canada made a deal with Russia and allowed them to set up bases along the US border on our side, you think the Pentagon would be alright with that?
 
Hmm, vast oil reserves and accomplishing Putin's wet dream fantasy of reincarnating the Soviet Union. He has written about how Ukrainian culture is non-existent in his eyes. It isn't a secret.


Ask the Poles or any of the baltic states that ran to NATO, what they think about Russia and why they joined NATO? Russia is like a chick that has been divorced like 5 times and claims that the other person was always the problem....


In 2014, Ukraine had no leaning towards NATO and Russia invaded them...Now Ukraine wanted to arm themselves to prevent another invasion. Why is it so impossible to believe that Ukrainians would seek out help from other nations to arm themselves after an invasion and having their land stripped from them?

Nonetheless, I understand the West has done bad shit that doesn't mean that everyone that opposes the West is naturally innocent or helpless. You are clearly clueless on the topic, so you are picking sides because of your insecurities.


Western Leftists pretty much utilize the same talking points that you do about NATO and MIC. Also criticizing a nation doesn't mean that you dislike all the people living there. Quit playing ID politics because you lack the mental capacity to form actual arguements.


Then shut up and don't speak so authoratively lol
Speaking of mental capacity, it's argument, and authoritatively.

All I said is that they should try to negotiate and end the war, never said anyone should surrender, just a bunch of senseless killing. Didn't pretend to know what the peace treaty was, you can tell me if you know the terms or you STFU. I was just pointing out the that some individual in here, who hates Russians "because" was an unhinged pyscho.

That's cute, you got me little buddy, I don't recall saying I support Russia or Putin, maybe you can show me?
 

Well known Russian puppet, President Elect Donald Trump, went absolutely balls deep on Putin and Russia like a good puppet.



He went on to instruct Putin to come to the negotiating table with him and Zelensky and end the war in Ukraine.

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What a puppet!
I hate war.


Trump ends wars.

This is why I voted
 
So nothing that he doesn't have plenty of other than the buffer zone I was talking about.
Let's say Canada made a deal with Russia and allowed them to set up bases along the US border on our side, you think the Pentagon would be alright with that?

The buffer zone argument is nonsense when you already share a border with 4x NATO members.
 
Speaking of mental capacity, it's argument, and authoritatively.

All I said is that they should try to negotiate and end the war, never said anyone should surrender, just a bunch of senseless killing. Didn't pretend to know what the peace treaty was, you can tell me if you know the terms or you STFU. I was just pointing out the that some individual in here, who hates Russians "because" was an unhinged pyscho.

That's cute, you got me little buddy, I don't recall saying I support Russia or Putin, maybe you can show me?

Dude, you literally said the War was the West’s fault and went on a tirade about how you feel self conscious about yourself around Americans for some reason. You infantilize Putin by acting like he was helpless and had no choice to invade.

And yeah, the Istanbul treaty was just telling Ukraine to drop militarization and Russia won’t steal anymore land…Lol
 
The buffer zone argument is nonsense when you already share a border with 4x NATO members.
Not when you're a country the size of Russia, yes they can't stop missiles from being fired at them but at the very least it gives them a chance at counter measures. What are you talking about, distance maters. You avoided my question, do you think the Pentagon would be fine and dandy with Russia setting up bases on the Northern border? Of course they wouldn't cause it cuts down their reaction time considerably, don't be silly.
 
Dude, you literally said the War was the West’s fault and went on a tirade about how you feel self conscious about yourself around Americans for some reason. You infantilize Putin by acting like he was helpless and had no choice to invade.

And yeah, the Istanbul treaty was just telling Ukraine to drop militarization and Russia won’t steal anymore land…Lol
So you know nothing other than a knee jerk reaction to side with your fellow lefties.
Yeah, again can you shoe me or is this childish game of portraying me as some weak frail individual all you have?

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Hmm, vast oil reserves and accomplishing Putin's wet dream fantasy of reincarnating the Soviet Union. He has written about how Ukrainian culture is non-existent in his eyes. It isn't a secret.


Ask the Poles or any of the baltic states that ran to NATO, what they think about Russia and why they joined NATO? Russia is like a chick that has been divorced like 5 times and claims that the other person was always the problem....


In 2014, Ukraine had no leaning towards NATO and Russia invaded them...Now Ukraine wanted to arm themselves to prevent another invasion. Why is it so impossible to believe that Ukrainians would seek out help from other nations to arm themselves after an invasion and having their land stripped from them?

Nonetheless, I understand the West has done bad shit that doesn't mean that everyone that opposes the West is naturally innocent or helpless. You are clearly clueless on the topic, so you are picking sides because of your insecurities.


Western Leftists pretty much utilize the same talking points that you do about NATO and MIC. Also criticizing a nation doesn't mean that you dislike all the people living there. Quit playing ID politics because you lack the mental capacity to form actual arguements.


Then shut up and don't speak so authoratively lol
 
Having an American opposition research company conduct opposition research—as both the RNC and DNC did with the Steele dossier—isn’t illegal though. The issue with Trump, and the reason that the FBI and then Mueller investigated, is because his campaign seemed to have knowledge of illegal Russian hacking, communication with Russia about it, and received the benefit of it, which could possibly be a violation of federal law, a felony.

Yes. I get it. It's the Dems catching the vapors that I don't get (well... I do get it, but I'm not really willing to play along, even for the purposes of critiquing Trump). They worked directly with the Russians to gather info on their political opponent, for political advantage, and through clear communication with Russian nationals.

When it comes to Trump, what does and does not fit within legal boundaries really does seem to shift pretty dramatically based on pretty difficult to parse out distinctions. He was also charged with conspiring to influence the election for paying hush money on a politically damaging story. I mean, that's just standard politics from where I stand. A campaign's whole raison d'etre is to influence an election, and one of the major ways it is done is through the control of information. But there's some small nuanced detail there that makes it a felony violation (or 34 felonies) that every other campaign has somehow managed to avoid.

Ditto for the classified documents. Biden has classified documents that he had zero clearance to have removed as they went back to his time in the senate, and Trump has classified documents that he did have clearance to remove as president but did not return. That detail is the difference between "nothing to see here" and "throw him in prison."

I know it comes off as a defense of Trump when I write these sorts of things, but I honestly have no doubt that the guy plays fast and loose with the law and has all his life but gets away with it due to his wealth and power. I don't think he's a good man, and he's a flat out ridiculous president.

Nevertheless, a part of the reason why he won the election is because weighed in the balance the American public was more inclined to believe the lawfare narrative than the narrative that Trump is sooooo different from anyone who has come before that he managed to commit 80 or 90 felonies in a few short years where no other president in 230 years has ever committed even a single one.

On a related note, I find it hard to believe that on a political level Trump will be the type of president who draws more people to his cause. The heavy odds on favourite outcome is that the country swings back dramatically to the Democrats in 2028. That's a good thing... except that it will probably result in the Dems coming away without learning anything.
 
Only lately has this trend of kowtowing to Putin become popular with the right. Happened right around the time Trump started swooning over him.
It’s wild to see
allowing a base in Ukraine would be the beginning to the end of Russia,
How?
I don't know about the western world thinking that Russians are cunts but I'm sure The English, French, Canadians and rest of the world can't stand you
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This here is exactly what you lefties pretend detest, hating a group of people based on ethnicity while simultaneously doing just that.
Followed by this made me lol
What resources are in Ukraine that he would want?
Oil, natural gas, men for conscription, land, taxes, better control over the black sea and region. A reunited Soviet Union
 
Then you need to sell me on one concept:

Putin said he wouldn't invade Georgia, and then he did. We appeased him and did nothing, and guys like you swore he would go no further.
Then Putin said he wouldn't invade Belarus, but he did. We appeased him and did nothing, and guys like you swore he would go no further.
Then he invaded and annexed Crimea in 2014. We appeased him and did nothing, and guys like you swore he would go no further.
Then three years ago he massed troops and medical equipment at the border. Putin swore he wouldn't invade. It was just a military exercise. Guys like you bought it, and called the rest of the world warmongers for doubting him. And we all know what happened then.

Are you noticing a trend here?

If you want me to take appeasement seriously, then you need to sell me on the idea that Putin, for the first time in his life, is willing to honor his word. And I don't think you have that in you.



Idiots always do this dumb shit in the War Room. I have no idea how you lot convinced yourselves that suddenly interpreting in the most literal of senses puts you into some righteous outrage to start ducking.

Time and time again you accuse us of wanting to sit by until the last Ukrainian defender is dead. Well that kinda implies that you believe russia, should we not appease them, is capable of wiping out all Ukrainian defenders. And that's stupid.



Nah. I thought the russians were cunts long before I joined the military. Most of western world did too. Only lately has this trend of kowtowing to Putin become popular with the right. Happened right around the time Trump started swooning over him.
Ask google about Project Meddle or see my recent post in the lounge thread. You're spot on.
 
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Putin said he wouldn't invade Georgia, and then he did. We appeased him and did nothing, and guys like you swore he would go no further.
Then Putin said he wouldn't invade Belarus, but he did. We appeased him and did nothing, and guys like you swore he would go no further.
Then he invaded and annexed Crimea in 2014. We appeased him and did nothing,

The appeasement argument is always hilarious coming from Americans. Appeasement doesn't work but everyone on earth has to appease America.
 
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