International Trump: US will take over Gaza, resettle Palestinians

[SandisLL]

Jared Kushner wants his penthouses there. It’s not happening.

The Trump and Netanyahu plan of ethnic cleansing seems more likely. It’s a bit odd that a lot of people that bitch and moan about Arab refugees “polluting” the west. Seem to be thrilled about creating a future refugee crisis. Not all of the Gazans are going to get dumped in Egypt and Jordan. Europe and North America will take the baggage too.

Why Egypt, Jordan or Europe should take these refugees? BTW they long ago does have too much refugees.

Let's Israel and Trump to pay for this.

I think best solution might be if Trump will relocate these to U.S and immediately grant them U.S citizenship. Why not?

Maybe offer Zelensky to take these refugees if they will agree to get Ukr citizenship. Israel and U.S might pay for this and Ukr will get more inhabitants.

BTW Europe too maybe might offer Ukraine to accept different refugees, Zelensky will get $ and grant them Ukr citizenship.

Doesn't looks nice idea?

 

[Andy Capp]

Would you give food to a hostagebefore your own children?

That depends a lot upon why you're holding the hostage. If you truly believe it's to achieve a positive outcome for your people, you should want to keep the person healthy and treated well. Presumably, one day that person will return home and you don't want them to say they were mistreated since that hurts your cause whether you received any concessions or not.

 

[SuperAlly]

Yea the ones that are inside Israel aren't technically refugees. Nice try though.



If Trump institutes what he says he's going to do, that is ethnic cleansing.

If, if, if

But you talk in absolutes as if it has happened to justify your xenophobia.

Everyone can see what you are. If it goosesteps like a duck...

 

[SuperAlly]

I’m not sure what that second sentence is referring to, can you elaborate?

Israel blew up their infrastructure, occupied their land and choked their economy. I’d say they bear (bare?) the lions share (bears share) of the responsibility

Actually, hamas started ripping up loads of their own infrastructure first to build missiles, tunnels for enacting war crimes and genocide etc. If we're gonna be honest...

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

there is currently no plan to ethnically cleanse gaza.

there are publicly stated plans to relocate millions of palestinians outside of gaza and it has been explicitly stated they will not have the right to return. does that not meet the criteria of ethnic cleansing in your opinion? if not, why is your version different from the one that exists in reality?

 

[kflo]

there are publicly stated plans to relocate millions of palestinians outside of gaza and it has been explicitly stated they will not have the right to return. does that not meet the criteria of ethnic cleansing in your opinion? if not, why is your version different from the one that exists in reality?

Trump has publicly stated something with no actual details to carry it out. Stating there is a version that exists in reality is not reality. Where are they going? How are they getting there? What are they going to? Who is carrying it out? And like I said, even the administrations version of the plan (and whether it’s temporary or not) has been different depending on the day.

Trump’s “reality” has all of them wanting to leave and not return because it’s so great where they are going……..

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Trump has publicly stated something with no actual details to carry it out. Stating there is a version that exists in reality is not reality. Where are they going? How are they getting there? What are they going to? Who is carrying it out? And like I said, even the administrations version of the plan (and whether it’s temporary or not) has been different depending on the day.

Trump’s “reality” has all of them wanting to leave and not return because it’s so great where they are going……..

so because you don't think it's realistic, you're pretending they aren't plans?

 

[kflo]

so because you don't think it's realistic, you're pretending they aren't plans?

how can one judge a “plan” that has no details and no practical way of being executed? And again, this is trumps plan at the moment. Not Israels.

And again, in trumps “plan”, they are all voluntarily leaving and don’t want to come back because they are happy. Sounds great, no?

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

how can one judge a “plan” that has no details and no practical way of being executed? And again, this is trumps plan at the moment. Not Israels.

netanyahu was right next to him smiling when he talked about it. it's a mutual plan. saying you are planning to do something is a plan. not all plans are equally fleshed out, but a plan is a plan.

And again, in trumps “plan”, they are all voluntarily leaving and don’t want to come back because they are happy. Sounds great, no?

and you and i both know there's nothing voluntary about it.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

Anyone know how much a Lot is projected to cost? I am thinking about having a beach house for vacation purposes.

 

[kflo]

netanyahu was right next to him smiling when he talked about it. it's a mutual plan. saying you are planning to do something is a plan. not all plans are equally fleshed out, but a plan is a plan.

and you and i both know there's nothing voluntary about it.

So you believe some of the words of this “plan” but not all of them……….

 

[Hog-train]

trump came up with a plan that has no actual specificity or partners at the moment, and you are acting as if it's literally happening. "they" is trump.

Netanyahu was literally and physically standing alongside Trump when he was announcing this new "plan."

No doubt this plan will not be really logistically possible exactly the way he said it, but I have no doubt in my mind Israel wants all the Palestinians expelled. Point blank, Israel wants the land.

many palestinian's migrated to "palestine" from jordan and egypt regions. and west bank palestinians were indeed jordanian's until jordan renounced them. and yes, gaza was under egypt control for 20 years but didn't grant full rights to them.

BS - the vast majority of people in Gaza and the West Bank were part of the people displaced when Israel was initially formed or when more Palestinian land was lost in 1967 or 1973.

they should. you don't seem to want them to. you're ok with them being stuck.

Israel is the one making them stuck. Therefore, they should be the ones solving the problem.

so you want israel to take palestinian minors from their families?

Israel should do the due diligence to see if families are not Hamas and then take them in. Since the vast majority of these people are just normal civilians.

lol. it's not safe to do so. you know this is a truth. and yes, israel will stay majority jewish.

Why is it not safe to do so if they do their due diligence? That's literally what most countries in the world do when they take in immigrants.

well it did make them jordanians until they weren't.

Technicality BS. The people's origins are Palestine - not Jordan. Additionally, Jordan controlled the West Bank - Not GAZA which is what we're talking about here.

i, unlike you, want the people of gaza to have an opportunity to leave and make a better life for themselves if they so choose.

No you don't. The entire 2 years this war was happening, you kept defending Israel at all turns despite the death toll increasing to tens of thousands.

You don't give a fuck about them as it was evident the entire two years this war was happening.

this is what you said:

"I always knew from the beginning of this conflict that Israel just wanted to annex Gaza and throw all the Palestinians out. I've been saying it from the beginning in the Hamas thread.

And it's increasingly looking like that is what will happen."

Yep. That's my belief. Israel wants to annex Gaza and expel all Palestinians permanently.

so the "occupation" since 1967 is just coincidentally the same year jordan and egypt waged war against israel and lost........

again, they don't HAVE to. noone has to do anything for them. do you WANT them to? seems like you don't. continued suffering of the people is fine as long as you can scapegoat israel. much better than working with neighboring states........

You keep trying to say they should be sent to another place, but most DO NOT want to go.

So if they don't want to go, you want to force them to?

'We won't go out of Gaza': Palestinians defiant over Trump plan

Palestinians are calling on Jordan and Egypt to hold out against US pressure to take in displaced Gazans.

www.bbc.com

 

[kflo]

Netanyahu was literally and physically standing alongside Trump when he was announcing this new "plan."

No doubt this plan will not be really logistically possible exactly the way he said it, but I have no doubt in my mind Israel wants all the Palestinians expelled. Point blank, Israel wants the land.

Israel definitely wants the land they unilaterally withdrew from because trump said HE wanted the land.

BS - the vast majority of people in Gaza and the West Bank were part of the people displaced when Israel was initially formed or when more Palestinian land was lost in 1967 or 1973.

many of them can trace their family tree back to Jordan and Egypt who followed the joooos to “Palestine” 100 years ago…….

Israel is the one making them stuck. Therefore, they should be the ones solving the problem.

Egypt borders Gaza and also makes them “stuck”. You don’t really seem to want the “problem” solved….

Israel should do the due diligence to see if families are not Hamas and then take them in. Since the vast majority of these people are just normal civilians.

I’ve already posted the survey. Over 50% of gazan’s support Hamas and over 60% support armed intifada. Not happening. You wouldn’t play those odds with your own safety and home.

Why is it not safe to do so if they do their due diligence? That's literally what most countries in the world do when they take in immigrants.

Yeah well Israel isn’t taking in “immigrants” from Gaza.

Technicality BS. The people's origins are Palestine - not Jordan. Additionally, Jordan controlled the West Bank - Not GAZA which is what we're talking about here.

They were Jordanians (in the West Bank). Many actually became Jordanians. You, for some reason, don’t seem to want them to have the option to move elsewhere…….

No you don't. The entire 2 years this war was happening, you kept defending Israel at all turns despite the death toll increasing to tens of thousands.

I support change between Israel and Gaza, and the elimination of Hamas. You……you seem to like Hamas in power and the prior state………so you can continue the evil Israel narrative.

You don't give a fuck about them as it was evident the entire two years this war was happening.

Blah blah. Again, I am the one who wants real change and a future for them. You are fine with the current state.

Yep. That's my belief. Israel wants to annex Gaza and expel all Palestinians permanently.

lol. Yet you were fake outraging at me noting this was your position.

You keep trying to say they should be sent to another place, but most DO NOT want to go.

So if they don't want to go, you want to force them to?

'We won't go out of Gaza': Palestinians defiant over Trump plan

Palestinians are calling on Jordan and Egypt to hold out against US pressure to take in displaced Gazans.

www.bbc.com

From your link:
"I will leave Gaza at the earliest possible opportunity. Yes, all Gazans oppose displacement but putting emotions aside, if people were given the chance, many would choose to leave."

Like I said…….you though are even against giving them the choice……..

 

[Hog-train]

Israel definitely wants the land they unilaterally withdrew from because trump said HE wanted the land.

Yep - Just like all the land they're currently stealing in the West Bank. "Don't believe our own "actions!

many of them can trace their family tree back to Jordan and Egypt who followed the joooos to “Palestine” 100 years ago…….

Many Jewish people can trace their family tree to Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union. Kind of irrelevant.

Egypt borders Gaza and also makes them “stuck”. You don’t really seem to want the “problem” solved….

They're "stuck" due to Israel's actions. Egypt has no obligation simply because they share a 7 mile long border with them.

The majority of Gaza's borders are Israel and the sea.

I’ve already posted the survey. Over 50% of gazan’s support Hamas and over 60% support armed intifada. Not happening. You wouldn’t play those odds with your own safety and home.

Yea some BS "survey" taken in the middle of Gaza being bombed with 50% of the population not even adults.

Kind of bullshit running foreign policy based on a survey.

Yeah well Israel isn’t taking in “immigrants” from Gaza.

And Egypt and Jordan aren't taking in immigrants either. So this is Israel's problem.

They were Jordanians (in the West Bank). Many actually became Jordanians. You, for some reason, don’t seem to want them to have the option to move elsewhere…….

Irrelevant. Jordan relinquished control of the West Bank decades ago.

I support change between Israel and Gaza, and the elimination of Hamas. You……you seem to like Hamas in power and the prior state………so you can continue the evil Israel narrative.

You seem to not care about the actual Palestinian people at all. In fact, you were actively downplaying how many people were actually being killed for months.

Blah blah. Again, I am the one who wants real change and a future for them. You are fine with the current state.

lol. Yet you were fake outraging at me noting this was your position.

Fan fiction you just said. I want a legit two state solution or even a one state solution. You want the Palestinians expelled into other countries and Israel to take control of Gaza.

From your link:
"I will leave Gaza at the earliest possible opportunity. Yes, all Gazans oppose displacement but putting emotions aside, if people were given the chance, many would choose to leave."

Like I said…….you though are even against giving them the choice……..

Yea if they CHOOSE to leave, then there's no problem. I have a problem when they're being FORCED to leave.

And you inadvertently just admitted Israel is/has been keeping them in an open air prison for decades.

WHO is keeping them from leaving? Israel.

 

[cincymma79]

Well look at that trump said if you have a better plan come to the table with it….and they’ve come with a plan largely led by Saudi Arabia. Who could’ve seen this coming? I thought for sure hitter times 18399 was going to take over the world. Man. I guess it really was a bunch of hyperventilating twats posting in here

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-spearheads-arab-scramble-alternative-trumps-gaza-plan-2025-02-14/

 

[Cajun]

i know this is israel's fight and not egypt or jordan's. but that doesn't mean egypt and jordan (and others) can't be part of the narrative going forward. they can be a great help. they need to sign up for it. this conflict has been too much rinse and repeat and escalation. new ideas are welcome. and people shouldn't just dismiss others playing a role because it's israel's problem. it's a prproblem.

I do like after Trump said the US would get involved, Egypt, Saudi and Jordan are getting together to offer an alternative solution. They do need to be involved imo. Especially Egypt and Jordan. I hope they bring some good ideas to the table.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

So you believe some of the words of this “plan” but not all of them……….

when did anyone insist this would be a voluntary matter?

 

[MacGregor]

 

[kflo]

Yep - Just like all the land they're currently stealing in the West Bank. "Don't believe our own "actions!



Many Jewish people can trace their family tree to Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union. Kind of irrelevant.



They're "stuck" due to Israel's actions. Egypt has no obligation simply because they share a 7 mile long border with them.

The majority of Gaza's borders are Israel and the sea.

Yea some BS "survey" taken in the middle of Gaza being bombed with 50% of the population not even adults.

Kind of bullshit running foreign policy based on a survey.



And Egypt and Jordan aren't taking in immigrants either. So this is Israel's problem.



Irrelevant. Jordan relinquished control of the West Bank decades ago.



You seem to not care about the actual Palestinian people at all. In fact, you were actively downplaying how many people were actually being killed for months.



Fan fiction you just said. I want a legit two state solution or even a one state solution. You want the Palestinians expelled into other countries and Israel to take control of Gaza.



Yea if they CHOOSE to leave, then there's no problem. I have a problem when they're being FORCED to leave.

And you inadvertently just admitted Israel is/has been keeping them in an open air prison for decades.

WHO is keeping them from leaving? Israel.

This is trumps idea. Not Israel’s.

Israel has not mentioned annexing Gaza. Trump has not mentioned Israel annexing Gaza. You have.

Gaza is Israel’s “problem” in that it borders Israel and they had / have a war. The “fix” for Gaza can all fall on Israel, in which case it likely would not go very well for the Palestinian people there (or Israel), or the “fix” can be shared with other nations who claim to support the Palestinian people (and who have historical connections to the people).

You claim to support the Palestinian people but don’t seem to want other nations to participate in the “fix”. Which shows a lack of real care. You KNOW that the outlook would be better with help from other nations but you don’t appear to want that.

trump hasn’t referenced any plan about how he would carry out relocation but did say no US military would be needed. He also said they’d be happy. There’s so little actual plan there and yet you are already blaming Israel. More than trump!

and you still don’t get it. Gazan’s aren’t free to go places because other nations won’t accept them. They can’t enter through Egypt because Egypt doesn’t want them. They can’t get many visa’s because other nations don’t want them.

And you can dismiss survey’s but you can’t dismiss the fact that a material % support armed resistance against Israel. And you wouldn’t take those odds with your own family.

 

[kflo]

when did anyone insist this would be a voluntary matter?

Did he say they would be removed by force?