Economy Trump-supporting truckers stage NYC drive boycott after $350M legal hit and New York buisness owners are worried.

[Super_Nintendo]

Trump has a license to engage in business in NY. That license comes with specific reporting requirements as it relates to financial documents. He repeated violated those requirements. That part of it is undeniable. Even the banks that testified on his behalf acknowledged that he was lying on the docs. There's really no debate about whether or not the violations were happening.

The only debate is about whether or not punishment was deserved for what some term a "victimless crime". I read a really good legal analogy here, that I'm sure you won't really care about.

This is akin to a drunk driver. A driver has a license that allows him to operate a vehicle on publicly owned roads. It comes with certain restrictions. One of those restrictions being that you don't drive drunk. Drunk driving is actionable even if the driver gets home safely. Every time that a drunk driver gets from Point A to Point B without hitting anyone or creating a moving violation, he has engaged in a "victimless crime". That doesn't change the fact that if a cop finds a driver who is actively driving drunk, he can arrest and fine him. It's why they set up checkpoints to catch drunk drivers, even though the drivers haven't hit anyone yet.

Same core concept. The license comes with restrictions, if the state finds that you are violating the restrictions, punishment should and does follow.

For people who spend so much time arguing about law and order, I'm always amazed at how much they don't care about those things.

you're smart, savvy, and a lawyer, so why are you making these empty analogies? your drunk driver comparison makes sense in the real world but it doesn't apply here because trump is the "only drunk driver" they pull over, charge, and apply the law to.


"An Associated Press analysis of nearly 70 years of civil cases under the law showed that such a penalty has only been imposed a dozen previous times, and Trump’s case stands apart in a significant way: It’s the only big business found that was threatened with a shutdown without a showing of obvious victims and major losses.

And some legal experts worry that if the judge goes out of his way to punish the former president with that worst-case scenario, it could make it easier for courts to wipe out companies in the future.

“This is a basically a death penalty for a business,” said Columbia University law professor Eric Talley. “Is he getting his just desserts because of the fraud, or because people don’t like him?”"

Dissolving Trump's business empire would stand apart in history of NY fraud law

AP’s review of nearly 150 cases since New York’s “repeated fraud” statute was passed showed that nearly every previous time a company was taken away, victims and losses were key factors.

apnews.com

trump is the only big business they went after with no victims and a DA who ran for office on the premise of getting him, and timing it during an election year. and kathy hochul literally comes out and practically admits that it's a hit-job. the rest of you business are okay because "trump is different". you guys only see thing through a blue lens so of course you can't see the blatant weaponization of the courts.

Hochul tells NY businesses not to fear about Trump verdict: ‘Nothing to worry about’​

Hochul tells NY businesses not to fear about Trump verdict: ‘Nothing to worry about’

New York Gov. Kathy Hochul (D) addressed New York business owners in a new interview and told them there was “nothing to worry about” after former President Trump was hit with a $355 million fine a…

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New York Gov. Kathy Hochul (D) addressed New York business owners in a new interview and told them there was “nothing to worry about” after former President Trump was hit with a $355 million fine and a ban on conducting business in New York for three years.

“I think that this is really an extraordinary, unusual circumstance that the law-abiding and rule-following New Yorkers who are business people have nothing to worry about, because they’re very different than Donald Trump and his behavior,” Hochul responded.

The governor provided reassurance to New York businesses after the ruling. “By and large, they are honest people and they’re not trying to hide their assets and they’re following the rules,” she said of the people who own and conduct business in the New York City area.

 

[44nutman]

Kevin O’Leary explains well. Everyone knows trump didn’t do anything wrong. Even the banks said he didn’t defraud them.

Do you think he uses a picture of him wearing a beanie, to make him look edgy?
Of course beanie boy is going to say that because that is his lane in the media. I am not sure why you go post you tube videos and X posts from media, that we already know what they are going to say. There are lots of beanie boy's on the left that I know what position they are going to take on any story before they even take it.
Instead of using partisan media to justify your position, try using your own words.

 

[44nutman]

Hochul tells NY businesses not to fear about Trump verdict: ‘Nothing to worry about’​

Hochul tells NY businesses not to fear about Trump verdict: ‘Nothing to worry about’

New York Gov. Kathy Hochul (D) addressed New York business owners in a new interview and told them there was “nothing to worry about” after former President Trump was hit with a $355 million fine a…

thehill.com

New York Gov. Kathy Hochul (D) addressed New York business owners in a new interview and told them there was “nothing to worry about” after former President Trump was hit with a $355 million fine and a ban on conducting business in New York for three years.

“I think that this is really an extraordinary, unusual circumstance that the law-abiding and rule-following New Yorkers who are business people have nothing to worry about, because they’re very different than Donald Trumpand his behavior,” Hochul responded.

The governor provided reassurance to New York businesses after the ruling. “By and large, they are honest people and they’re not trying to hide their assets and they’re following the rules,” she said of the people who own and conduct business in the New York City area.

She is saying if you dont break the law, you have nothing to worry about. How is that a crazy position too take? No different from than saying dont speed in our town and you wont get a speeding ticket, we only hand them out to speeders.
This reeks desperation by twisting something to stick up for Dear Cult Leader Trump.

 

[freakroor]

out of all the causes to get behind, this seems like a pretty dumb choice.

 

[Super_Nintendo]

She is saying if you dont break the law, you have nothing to worry about. How is that a crazy position too take? No different from than saying dont speed in our town and you wont get a speeding ticket, we only hand them out to speeders.
This reeks desperation by twisting something to stick up for Dear Cult Leader Trump.

she's admitting it's a political hitjob. "y'all are good, wink wink, so don't worry about it. trump is uniquely bad and his behavior is different from all you law abiding citizens"

 

[sickc0d3r]

Trump is being held accountable. Daddy is making sure Hunter gets a sweet deal and he stays out of it no matter what.

Then they decided he's too mentally ill to be invested.

Hur did investigate, though, and couldn't find enough to charge. He explained the differences between Trump's case and Biden's, specifically that Trump refused to cooperate and lied to authorities, while Biden immediately rectified the situation.
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"The allegations set forth in the indictment of Mr. Trump, if proven, would present serious aggravating facts. Most notably, after being given multiple chances to return documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. According to the indictment, he not only refused to return documents, but he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about it.".

“Mr. Biden turned in classified documents to the National Archives and the Department of Justice, consented to the search of multiple locations including his homes, sat for a voluntary interview, and in other ways cooperated with the investigation.”
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All of your objections seem to be about feelings and sour grapes. Your first sentence is true, at least.

 

[Damien Karras]

There are a lot off folks that break down the egregiousness of this case, Kevin O Leary makes it simple. The concept and topic is tough in itself for the flock of basement dwelling leftists who have never worked in their life to even understand.

Lol LMAO at providing a video or Kevin O'Leary as though the guy is an expert at anything other than killing people with his boat

 

[44nutman]

she's admitting it's a political hitjob. "y'all are good, wink wink, so don't worry about it. trump is uniquely bad and his behavior is different from all you law abiding citizens"

That is your fantasy. She is saying if you dont break the law, like running a phony University, stealing from kids with Cancer with the Trump Foundation, or over inflate/under inflate your property values, you are all good in NYC.
So you are OK with people stealing from kids with cancer, bankrupting hard working American contractors because you wont pay them, or fudging your numbers as long as you like the guy.
Trump has a long history of doing shady shit financially and it caught up with him. He had his chance in court, and because he has a history of not paying lawyers and being a dumb client, he could not win a case in your eyes he was innocent of. Trump screwed Trump, and is the worlds richest victim. Private schools, 3rd generation wealth, Ivy league degree and somehow that fat fuck is a victim. Get the fuck out of here.
Just like your Trucker boycott fantasy, aint nobody leaving New York because of an orange diaper, lifts and girdle wearing con man like Trump. The Rubes like to think that, but there is lots of money to be made in NYC and Capitalism is the greatest form of democracy because you vote with your dollars. Since there is money to be made there, if someone leaves another non partisan capitalist will fill their void. New York is the 3rd largest economy out of 50 US states and 10th largest in the world. They will be alright. Hell New York's economy is even larger than that Horse Jockey, Putin's Russian economy.
You would have to be in a cult to believe anybody that had money or knew how to make money, would turn down money because of Trump.

 

[Super_Nintendo]

let's cut to chase. we're all biased, flawed people, right? are there any leftists willing to admit the decade-long political assassination against trump by the establishment and now courts? anybody?

 

[pinger]

It is frightening what is going on in New York. I hope the truckers are able to change the ways of the political class in New York. The Empire state is showing it is not a place to do business in.

NY Gov to Businesses: Don’t Worry, Trump Ruling is Unique​

Show them the man and they'll find the crime.​

NY Gov to Businesses: Don't Worry, Trump Ruling is Unique | Frontpage Mag

Show them the man and they'll find the crime.

www.frontpagemag.com

.....More accurately, they can do it to anyone, but they generally wouldn’t choose to do so.

John Catsimatidis has some reason to worry. He’s a billionaire who apart from owning Gristedes supermarkets (one of the few sizable supermarket chains outside the Safeway/Kroger empire, it’s such an iconic New York City institution that it’s the grocery bag that Charles Bronson is toting on the subway in Death Wish just before he opens fire), but he’s also an occasional Republican donor who flirted with the idea of running for mayor.

So perhaps ‘Cats’ would like to know that he won’t be hauled into court on the sort of charge that probably 1 in 10 major businessmen in NYC could be nailed on (if not more.)

And Gov. Hochul assured him that he’s not on the radar. As far as she knows. Of course if he were to run for governor, who knows. At that point he might be considered less different than Trump enough to be a target.

They can indeed do it to anyone. Show them the man and they’ll find the crime.

Upholding the law is frightening

 

[KaNesDeath]

Kevin O’Leary explains well.

A TV financial advisor who was last in the news for being a spokesperson for the second largest crypto scam.

 

[KaNesDeath]

let's cut to chase. we're all biased, flawed people, right? are there any leftists willing to admit the decade-long political assassination against trump by the establishment and now courts? anybody?

Told you this days ago in another thread. When a individual tries to overthrow the government every aspect of their life will be combed through.

 

[Scerpi]

lol.... what that tells me is that Chris Kise is not familiar with NY law. The appeal is just going to add to Trump's bills. Go get that donor money Chris! The NY AG DOES have broader powers than those in a similar position in, say Florida where Mr. Kise practices.
It's the price of doing business in the business capitol of the world.

In addition.... The AG did both... seek to punish past behavior, AND prevent future use.

Who WASN'T defrauded? Every other business seeking to compete with Trump for financing was put at a disadvantage because of Donnie's fraud. Trump wanted to play on a rigged table--and that is illegal.
If you tell the state that your home is worth 25M, but you use that asset to secure a loan valuing it at 1 Billion.... THAT is fraud. You are misrepresenting reality to secure favorable loans and loan terms. It's just that simple. Taken to the limit of that argument, the state, or all the people of NY were defrauded as well.

Also, the bank very much was defrauded as well, whether or not they choose to sue Donnie or not, because if they had actual numbers in the statement of financial condition Donnie would have had to pay much higher interest...to the tune of millions of dollars.
They'd really rather not advertise how they were rooked.

Deutshe Bank (the bank in question) doesn't do business with Trump any more...is that because he's such a great person to deal with?

Of course it adds to his bills... this was an obvious hit job. Let's see these shitbag AG's go after all the developers, who do this exact same thing, every day, in every state, in every city.



And the bank said they weren't defrauded. lol... Just stop with the bullshit. It's a business deal between two parties. Stop fucking acting like you know what you're talking about and trying to rationalize this shit verdict by a biased judge.

Why do you think the Governer made a point to come and say they're not targeting investors and developers.

lol... Fine, Hate Trump all you want. But know that this partisan garbage can be turned around in the other direction.

Seriously it's embarrassing. Note the last sentence. If these fucks don't start going after other developers and you don't change your stance... you're a fucking hypocrite.

Trump’s Bankers Say His Exaggerated Net Worth Did Not Affect Loans​

The testimony of witnesses from Deutsche Bank lent support to a central plank of former President Donald Trump’s defense in the civil fraud case against him.

Trump’s Bankers Say His Exaggerated Net Worth Did Not Affect Loans

The testimony of witnesses from Deutsche Bank lent support to a central plank of former President Donald Trump’s defense in the civil fraud case against him.

www.nytimes.com

But Mr. Williams testified that Deutsche Bank understood that financial statements like those Mr. Trump submitted relied on estimates. As a result, he said, the bank conducted its own “stress test” and adjusted the numbers downward.

At one point in their lending relationship, Mr. Williams said, Deutsche Bank adjusted Mr. Trump’s net worth to $2.6 billion from the $4.9 billion that he had originally reported. Asked about his reaction to the “magnitude” of that adjustment, Mr. Williams was sanguine.

“My reaction was probably pretty measured, considering it’s not unusual or atypical for any client’s provided financial statements to be adjusted to this level, or to this extent,” he said.

 

[Scerpi]

A TV financial advisor who was last in the news for being a spokesperson for the second largest crypto scam.

lol.. He still knows the business. See my post above.

There's plenty of reasons to hate Trump, but this was an obvious partisan hit job in collusion with a biased judge.

The Governor's statement about them not going after anyone else all but confirms it.

 

[Damien Karras]

Of course it adds to his bills... this was an obvious hit job. Let's see these shitbag AG's go after all the developers, who do this exact same thing, every day, in every state, in every city.



And the bank said they weren't defrauded. lol... Just stop with the bullshit. It's a business deal between two parties. Stop fucking acting like you know what you're talking about and trying to rationalize this shit verdict by a biased judge.

Why do you think the Governer made a point to come and say they're not targeting investors and developers.

lol... Fine, Hate Trump all you want. But know that this partisan garbage can be turned around in the other direction.

Seriously it's embarrassing. Note the last sentence. If these fucks don't start going after other developers and you don't change your stance... you're a fucking hypocrite.

Trump’s Bankers Say His Exaggerated Net Worth Did Not Affect Loans​

The testimony of witnesses from Deutsche Bank lent support to a central plank of former President Donald Trump’s defense in the civil fraud case against him.

Trump’s Bankers Say His Exaggerated Net Worth Did Not Affect Loans

The testimony of witnesses from Deutsche Bank lent support to a central plank of former President Donald Trump’s defense in the civil fraud case against him.

www.nytimes.com

But Mr. Williams testified that Deutsche Bank understood that financial statements like those Mr. Trump submitted relied on estimates. As a result, he said, the bank conducted its own “stress test” and adjusted the numbers downward.

At one point in their lending relationship, Mr. Williams said, Deutsche Bank adjusted Mr. Trump’s net worth to $2.6 billion from the $4.9 billion that he had originally reported. Asked about his reaction to the “magnitude” of that adjustment, Mr. Williams was sanguine.

“My reaction was probably pretty measured, considering it’s not unusual or atypical for any client’s provided financial statements to be adjusted to this level, or to this extent,” he said.

Again with the Mr Wonderful expert legal analysis? There's a reason this guy can't ever get a deal on Shark Tank even when all other Sharks are out and he's offering what they want. Everyone knows the guy sucks.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

There was no fraud.

awww you poor thing. now you go lie to the banks to take out a loan to buy property with and let us know how that goes for you. and when you get summoned to court, make sure you stamp your feet real loud, scream "but whatabout hunter's laptop?" at the sky, and make sure everybody knows that the tape measurer has TDS!

 

[Super_Nintendo]

Told you this days ago in another thread. When a individual tries to overthrow the government every aspect of their life will be combed through.

she ran for office in 2018 on Get Trump. listen to this clip sherbro, it's political assassination. she's a classic case of TDS screaming about stolen supreme court seats and she's an election denier to boot ("illegitimate president!"). all i ask is some honesty and decency from the left.

 

[White Whale]

She is saying if you dont break the law, you have nothing to worry about. How is that a crazy position too take? No different from than saying dont speed in our town and you wont get a speeding ticket, we only hand them out to speeders.
This reeks desperation by twisting something to stick up for Dear Cult Leader Trump.

Who are the victims? Who lost money or got hurt by what Trump and pretty much every other real estate businesses person does?

 

[KaNesDeath]

she ran for office in 2018 on Get Trump. listen to this clip sherbro

I worked some of her private fundraisers. Dont need to watch videos.

 

[CatchnShoot]

And Joe made sure he caught no serious charges and gets a sweetheart deal.

The deal is dead, and I believe Hunter has pled not guilty to the Tax evasion/fraud charges following that.

I'm not sure where the gun charges are at.
The only privilege Hunter is getting is the same one Trump is currently enjoying... out on his own reconnaissance pending trial.