International Trump says Putin is 'doing what anyone else would do' with recent attacks on Ukraine

[Contempt]

How is that even a question what he meant? Putin is winning, Russia has been pushing Ukraine back further and further for more than a year now.

Russia is pushing their advantage and taking as much land as possible before any possibility of negotiations, so he's in as strong a negotiating position as possible.

Anyone who is even questioning this, really hasn't been paying attention to what's going on in Ukraine.

 

[Rational Poster]

How is that even a question what he meant? Putin is winning, Russia has been pushing Ukraine back further and further for more than a year now.

Russia is pushing their advantage and taking as much land as possible before any possibility of negotiations, so he's in as strong a negotiating position as possible.

Anyone who is even questioning this, really hasn't been paying attention to what's going on in Ukraine.

I mean it's weird to say this and then claim others aren't paying attention to what's going on in Ukraine.

The lines have remained nearly in the same place. Ukrainian military is larger today than when the war started.

One map is from 2023, and one is from yesterday. No significant Russia progress in over 2 years. At their current rate of progress it will take Russia 30 years just to capture all of the provinces they've claimed to annex.

 

[Contempt]

I mean it's weird to say this and then claim others aren't paying attention to what's going on in Ukraine.

The lines have remained nearly in the same place. Ukrainian military is larger today than when the war started.

One map is from 2023, and one is from yesterday. No significant Russia progress in over 2 years. At their current rate of progress it will take Russia 30 years just to capture all of the provinces they've claimed to annex.

Bear in mind, Ukraine is massive so when looking at a zoomed out map like that you don't see much. You can also see the two pictures are not even the same scale. You certainly don't get the context of how badly this is going across the whole front for Ukraine. In the last year, you're talking cumulative losses of thousands of square km's.

Many of the channels and sources that follow the movements on the battlefields using OSI are anti Russia, but even these are showing Russia slowly grinding Ukraine down, taking more and more territory and even the incursion into the Kursk region is shrinking due to overwhelming numbers on the Russian side.

Are Russia losing more troops? absolutely. Are Ukrainians fighting bravely? absolutely. Are they still fighting a losing battle against a much more numerous foe? absolutely.

Ukrainian politicians refused to expand the mobilisation for far too long and now they very short on trained and experienced troops.

If you're interested I'd look at the Kings and Generals youtube channel. They have been doing 1-2 detailed half an hour updates a month since the start of the war. Brilliant coverage, they publish where all their information is sourced, point out where information publicly provided by both sides is questionable (much of it) and primarily use independently verified information.

 

[Rational Poster]

Bear in mind, Ukraine is massive so when looking at a zoomed out map like that you don't see much. You can also see the two pictures are not even the same scale. You certainly don't get the context of how badly this is going across the whole front for Ukraine. In the last year, you're talking cumulative losses of thousands of square km's.

Many of the channels and sources that follow the movements on the battlefields using OSI are anti Russia, but even these are showing Russia slowly grinding Ukraine down, taking more and more territory and even the incursion into the Kursk region is shrinking due to overwhelming numbers on the Russian side.

Are Russia losing more troops? absolutely. Are Ukrainians fighting bravely? absolutely. Are they still fighting a losing battle against a much more numerous foe? absolutely.

Ukrainian politicians refused to expand the mobilisation for far too long and now they very short on trained and experienced troops.

If you're interested I'd look at the Kings and Generals youtube channel. They have been doing 1-2 detailed half an hour updates a month since the start of the war. Brilliant coverage, they publish where all their information is sourced, point out where information publicly provided by both sides is questionable (much of it) and primarily use independently verified information.

Even in that context, it will take Russia decades to capture what they've claimed on paper at the current rate of progress. They've yet to approach let alone capture a single provincial capitol they've claimed aside from the two they started with.

Of course Ukraine is on the backfoot when aid and intelligence support was suspended.

Ukraine still has more troops deployed than Russia in theatre, Russia has lost over 20,000 armored vehicles and tanks, they lost more artillery over the last year to the point their artillery advantage has decreased to 2 to 1 in theater from as much as 5 to 1.

Russia may be gaining insignificant ground, but they can absolutely lose the war due to equipment attrition.

 

[that Indian]

The vision:

Russia gets Ukraine
US gets Canada, Greenland, Gaza
China gets Taiwan

and they all manage to avoid stepping on each other's dicks

but he's not an autocrat guys!

 

[Contempt]

Even in that context, it will take Russia decades to capture what they've claimed on paper at the current rate of progress. They've yet to approach let alone capture a single provincial capitol they've claimed aside from the two they started with.

Of course Ukraine is on the backfoot when aid and intelligence support was suspended.

Ukraine still has more troops deployed than Russia in theatre, Russia has lost over 20,000 armored vehicles and tanks, they lost more artillery over the last year to the point their artillery advantage has decreased to 2 to 1 in theater from as much as 5 to 1.

Russia may be gaining insignificant ground, but they can absolutely lose the war due to equipment attrition.

"Of course Ukraine is on the backfoot when aid and intelligence support was suspended."

This has nothing to do with recent events, it's been ongoing for over a year now and it's accelerating. Russia isn't just randomly trying to take empty fields, they have been targeting key supply lines. Highways and rail lines. Watch how quickly large chunks of Ukrainian lines will collapse when starved of supplies.

Russia made some really fucking dumb mistakes at the start of the war but seem to have really got their shit together recently.

The truth is, this has turned into a long, grinding battle of attrition and Russia has more people, more money and a much larger military industrial complex. They also have the shield of nuclear weapons which will ensure that no other major power will get involved in the fight.

The fact of the matter is, Ukraine is NEVER getting that land back and there will be no ceasefire without massive concessions on Ukraine's part. Why would Russia sign up to a ceasefire when they are clearly winning? Why would the US just continue to throw tens to hundreds of billions of dollars at a losing cause?

It's a fucked situation all around, but that's just reality.

 

[Rational Poster]

"Of course Ukraine is on the backfoot when aid and intelligence support was suspended."

This has nothing to do with recent events, it's been ongoing for over a year now and it's accelerating. Russia isn't just randomly trying to take empty fields, they have been targeting key supply lines. Highways and rail lines. Watch how quickly large chunks of Ukrainian lines will collapse when starved of supplies.

Russia made some really fucking dumb mistakes at the start of the war but seem to have really got their shit together recently.

The truth is, this has turned into a long, grinding battle of attrition and Russia has more people, more money and a much larger military industrial complex. They also have the shield of nuclear weapons which will ensure that no other major power will get involved in the fight.

The fact of the matter is, Ukraine is NEVER getting that land back and there will be no ceasefire without massive concessions on Ukraine's part. Why would Russia sign up to a ceasefire when they are clearly winning? Why would the US just continue to throw tens to hundreds of billions of dollars at a losing cause?

It's a fucked situation all around, but that's just reality.

This is just flatly not true at all.

There is no time or place in the universe where Russia has more money and a larger military industrial complex than the combined west. Manpower attrition is nowhere near critical for either side, the problem is equipment and Russia will never be able to compete with the west when it tries.

Russia has a smaller economy than several US states, not even getting into the combined wealth of the EU and the US.

 

[Mikeydontgiva]

This is just flatly not true at all.

There is no time or place in the universe where Russia has more money and a larger military industrial complex than the combined west. Manpower attrition is nowhere near critical for either side, the problem is equipment and Russia will never be able to compete with the west when it tries.

Russia has a smaller economy than several US states, not even getting into the combined wealth of the EU and the US.

So you wanna see ww3?

 

[Rational Poster]

So you wanna see ww3?

No I just want to keep giving Ukraine weapons till the Russians decide to go home on their own.

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

No I just want to keep giving Ukraine weapons till the Russians decide to go home on their own.

Do you honestly believe it'll happen that way?

 

[Fox by the Sea]

No I just want to keep giving Ukraine weapons till the Russians decide to go home on their own.

Not happening. Putin is probably one of the moderates in the Russian space.
Most of the rest would be a lot more aggressive. If there's one thing that would get Putin shot in the streets near the Kremlin is ordering the troops back.

 

[Contempt]

This is just flatly not true at all.

There is no time or place in the universe where Russia has more money and a larger military industrial complex than the combined west. Manpower attrition is nowhere near critical for either side, the problem is equipment and Russia will never be able to compete with the west when it tries.

Russia has a smaller economy than several US states, not even getting into the combined wealth of the EU and the US.

Uh huh... and the entire west is going to just indefinitely keep pumping money and military hardware into Ukraine, even though they can see it losing? Another thing that channel that I mentioned does, is track all the donations of money and hardware coming from other countries. Guess what? it's also been greatly dropping off over the last year, long before Trump was elected.

A lot of countries donated all their old, outdated crap to Ukraine, now much of that antiquated equipment is gone, they certainly won't be donating their shiny new, extremely expensive toys. The recent money from Europe are loans, not donations.

Trump is a businessman, he knows that they are just burning money to prolong a lost cause here. He's not going to allow the US to get dragged into spending trillions over decades like they did in the middle east. Best to rip the bandage off quickly and save all the lives and money.

Russia already won, they have all the leverage and they know it.

 

[Mikeydontgiva]

No I just want to keep giving Ukraine weapons till the Russians decide to go home on their own.

LOL at supporting proxy wars all over the globe. F that.

"They got money for wars, but can't feed the poor"

 

[shunyata]

Fucking embarrassing and sad that this admin is sucking Vladdy’s dick like this

What the fuck happened to the strong republicans who’d refuse to back down to a literal modern day dictator? I miss those days man.. it’s sad that they are long gone.

I’m not asking for war either.. I’m asking to not get in bed with the fucking enemy.

Bring back Eisenhower's Republican platform and my hippy ass would vote for that shit.

As it is it looks Trump seriously wants to invade Canada to take heat off Vlad and force the EU to split resources, then China invades Taiwan "to protect themselves from American aggression" and we're in WWIII because 90 million eligible US voters didn't think their votes mattered, didn't get to the polls, or got their voter registration purged in a state that purposely bans same day voter registration.

Also his plans for a sovereign wealth fund and strategic crypto reserve look like he's plotting the biggest pump and dump scam in US history.

 

[Contempt]

No I just want to keep giving Ukraine weapons till the Russians decide to go home on their own.

Thinking that this will ever happen is not being particularly rational. Out of curiosity, how many more tens or hundreds of billions of dollars of weaponry do you think this is going to take to make Russia, suddenly decide to just go home?

What weapons? What is the proposed plan here?

 

[Rational Poster]

Do you honestly believe it'll happen that way?

I mean, it's absolutely already happening this way.

 

[Contempt]

Bring back Eisenhower's Republican platform and my hippy ass would vote for that shit.

As it is it looks Trump seriously wants to invade Canada to take heat off Vlad and force the EU to split resources, then China invades Taiwan "to protect themselves from American aggression" and we're in WWIII because 90 million eligible US voters didn't think their votes mattered, didn't get to the polls, or got their voter registration purged in a state that purposely bans same day voter registration.

Also his plans for a sovereign wealth fund and strategic crypto reserve look like he's plotting the biggest pump and dump scam in US history.

Wait... you honestly believe that there is any chance that Trump tries to invade Canada?

LOL, time to cut back on your dose of MSNBC and CNN dude.

 

[gentel]

I've generally stayed away from the Russia/Trump CT's including the whole Agent Krasnov thing. But regardless of the behind the scenes mechanisms something certainly does seem fishy

See I think the Trump-Russia and Krasnov ideas make more sense when you stop thinking of it as "agent" and more as "asset"

Their relationship before any presidential campaign was "you work with us on money laundering and criticizing your leaders in the media and we make you one of the wealthiest men in your country"

Now it's "we make you president and avoid prison by hacking the opposing party and running propaganda ops in your favor, and you go against NATO and Ukraine"

Trump is simply used to cooperating with Russia and being rewarded lavishly for it, it's a long-lasting relationship and he's not about to rock that boat

 

[Rational Poster]

Thinking that this will ever happen is not being particularly rational. Out of curiosity, how many more tens or hundreds of billions of dollars of weaponry do you think this is going to take to make Russia, suddenly decide to just go home?

What weapons? What is the proposed plan here?

We've barely even scratched the surface of what we would be able to provide.

We provided 31 tanks and 39 himars over 3 years.

Meanwhile we have over 1000 M1 105mm tanks in storage that never fired a shot in anger and never will. There's millions of 105mm rounds in the US and EU that will never be used.

Our weaponry is overvalued on paper and has depreciated significantly since it was built, in reality we have hardly given 40B in weaponry to Ukraine.

EU has given more. Poland alone has given over 300 tanks, even Germany has given more tanks than the US.

 

[Contempt]

I mean, it's absolutely already happening this way.

The Russians are advancing, not pulling out.

What world do you live in dude?