International Trump says Putin is 'doing what anyone else would do' with recent attacks on Ukraine

[AWilder]

LOL don't mean to laugh because its sad, but that is good comparison

It's crazy how things have flipped.. not even gone neutral, but actually starting to flip.. pretty soon we'll be funding Russia's invasion of Europe with how things are going. It's sick.

I know the argument against Musk and Trump being Russian assets is "they don't need money they are already rich" - my response is there are lots of things that could make them turn besides financial gain.. maybe they told them they will kill them in accidents if they don't comply.. maybe they threatened their families.. maybe they have embarrassing evidence they are using for blackmail.. there are more ways to get their cooperation outside of money. Things are usually much more complex and complicated than they seem.

It can't just be by random chance that everything is coming up Russia right now though.

Lots of windows at the White House to fall from. Very dangerous place. I like how musk now has a child wrapped around his head whenever he's in public. Very subtle way to avoid a headshot I guess.

 

[44nutman]

Lots of windows at the White House to fall from. Very dangerous place. I like how musk now has a child wrapped around his head whenever he's in public. Very subtle way to avoid a headshot I guess.

IF you have 14 kids, a couple of them are disposable.

 

[USA!USA!]

Thing is, he is progressively alienating anyone who isn't a full-on card-carrying frothy-mouthed MAGAt. What was it he called the Polish dude, 'little man'? that just... that kinda shit doesn't play well with normal people as it pretty clearly shows that he thinks *absolutely everyone* is a 'little man who should shut up' compared to him.

That, or he is purposefully stirring the pot trying to piss them off because it’s part of his agenda

Poland loves the US probably more than any other country in Europe. It’s like they are purposefully trying to ruin all of our relationships with NATO countries

 

[Phlog]

It's factually accurate. If Russia was advancing it's sphere of military influence towards America, America would do something about it.

Cuban missile crisis anyone?

 

[Cole train]

It's factually accurate. If Russia was advancing it's sphere of military influence towards America, America would do something about it.

Cuban missile crisis anyone?

How the hell you got double yellows lol

 

[Crazy Source]

Fucking embarrassing and sad that this admin is sucking Vladdy’s dick like this

What the fuck happened to the strong republicans who’d refuse to back down to a literal modern day dictator? I miss those days man.. it’s sad that they are long gone.

I’m not asking for war either.. I’m asking to not get in bed with the fucking enemy.

I may be wrong about this, but most military/ex-military on this forum seem to hold your stance which is heartening.

 

[Crazy Source]

It's factually accurate. If Russia was advancing it's sphere of military influence towards America, America would do something about it.

Cuban missile crisis anyone?

Advancing on Ukraine is advancing towards Europe which is advancing towards America. This isn't complex.

 

[terrapin]

It's factually accurate. If Russia was advancing it's sphere of military influence towards America, America would do something about it.

Cuban missile crisis anyone?

America would. Trump would not. America is lost while he is the president.

 

[Phlog]

How the hell you got double yellows lol

A disagreement regarding censorship of certain words, which I suggested did more harm than good when applied without consideration to the context.

I feel kinda like a rebel now.

 

[Phlog]

Advancing on Ukraine is advancing towards Europe which is advancing towards America. This isn't complex.

But Russia was reacting to NATO movement towards their borders.

"Robert M Gates, who served as secretary of defense in the administrations of both George W Bush and Barack Obama, stated his belief that “the relationship with Russia had been badly mismanaged after [George HW] Bush left office in 1993”. Among other missteps, “US agreements with the Romanian and Bulgarian governments to rotate troops through bases in those countries was a needless provocation.” In an implicit rebuke to the younger Bush, Gates asserted that “trying to bring Georgia and Ukraine into Nato was truly overreaching”. That move, he contended, was a case of “recklessly ignoring what the Russians considered their own vital national interests”."


You can't punch someone then complain they got pissed off about it. Americas own experts had warned about this for decades.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Woke up to Musk talking shit to the Polish President on X

Russians are really getting their moneys worth in this administration

I think it was the Polish Foreign Minister not that it makes that much difference.

 

[curryjunkie]

He's slowly distancing himself from the conflict that some EU leaders are trying to create.

 

[Seano]

 

[SandisLL]

But Russia was reacting to NATO movement towards their borders.

"Robert M Gates, who served as secretary of defense in the administrations of both George W Bush and Barack Obama, stated his belief that “the relationship with Russia had been badly mismanaged after [George HW] Bush left office in 1993”. Among other missteps, “US agreements with the Romanian and Bulgarian governments to rotate troops through bases in those countries was a needless provocation.” In an implicit rebuke to the younger Bush, Gates asserted that “trying to bring Georgia and Ukraine into Nato was truly overreaching”. That move, he contended, was a case of “recklessly ignoring what the Russians considered their own vital national interests”."


You can't punch someone then complain they got pissed off about it. Americas own experts had warned about this for decades.

You again are pushing Lavrov office fairy tales for random noobs ....cheap lying.

Putin personally had agreed with NATO so called expansion...even with EU expansion.
He had signed papers boy. These papers are available to read for free...for everyone who isn't an idiot and blind ....

Kid, there isn't russian forum ....for locals who are lazy and maybe even blind.

You don't talk here just with random lazy dreamers....this isn't local forum for Russian speakers in Russia or lazy rednecks.

 

[AmonTobin]

Respect to all the magas who had the awareness to finally break free from this cult. Congratulations, you’re now on the right side of history.

 

[fandangler101]

Asking the majority to analyze something in 2025 is a big ask , most can’t even decipher right from wrong let alone form any type of critical thinking which is needed when analyzing something it would be way to complicated even for a vast group of people on here supporting this guy ,now imagine this same group of people outside this forum and you understand how this guy got elected .

These people exist , it’s scary how dumbed down this country has got . Lol

I think the attack on education plays a big part in this. There really seems to be a movement deeming all education as indoctrination.

 

[bongwater]

We should have deported zelinsky to Russia after he disrespected trump! Maga!

 

[Phlog]

You again are pushing Lavrov office fairy tales for random noobs ....cheap lying.

Putin personally had agreed with NATO so called expansion...even with EU expansion.
He had signed papers boy. These papers are available to read for free...for everyone who isn't an idiot and blind ....

Kid, there isn't russian forum ....for locals who are lazy and maybe even blind.

You don't talk here just with random lazy dreamers....this isn't local forum for Russian speakers in Russia or lazy rednecks.

I appreciate your input and point of view, I always enjoy reading your posts and I take into account what you've said, but the predominance of expert opinion seems to run counter to what you suggest. Even from people seemingly speaking against their partisan interests.

Would you have any reference for what you suggest? Apologies if it's a tiresome question!

 

[Rational Poster]

I appreciate your input and point of view, I always enjoy reading your posts and I take into account what you've said, but the predominance of expert opinion seems to run counter to what you suggest. Even from people seemingly speaking against their partisan interests.

Would you have any reference for what you suggest? Apologies if it's a tiresome question!

Ukraine was not applying to or joining NATO. It is completely Russian fan fiction.

They were making reforms to perhaps eventually be eligible to start using the Euro.

So even if the expert you're appealing to is completely correct, it does not match the reality of events.

 

[SandisLL]

I appreciate your input and point of view, I always enjoy reading your posts and I take into account what you've said, but the predominance of expert opinion seems to run counter to what you suggest. Even from people seemingly speaking against their partisan interests.

Would you have any reference for what you suggest? Apologies if it's a tiresome question!

Google up " discussion framework " EU EC with russian Federation ....timeframe 1997- 2007 ..... etc alike keywords.
North Atlantic Council grants partnership status for Ukraine and Russisan Federation....
Like 1997-2006 period documents....

Agreement about transit between EU and Russian Federation 2004 th....