Crime Trump Administration Sent Legal Immigrant to Prison in El Salvador

[MrShady]

I agree with what you are saying in terms of it would happen, for sure, but my own hot take - if he's convicted of a crime in America, I think he should go to jail in America. And if we are outsourcing our jails to other countries, I think they should be of the same constitutional standards as American prisons.

I'm not loving the right's current push to make the prison system worse than it currently is. I know it's easy to shit on the worst humans in society, but I don't think ADX is some paradise currently. Like, I wouldn't want to deport El Chapo, for example, simply because he's not an American.

We're on the same page here, I was saying it in terms of the administration would have a easier time convincing the general public that this is a good idea or policy if they sent people who had actual convictions rather than allegations or tattoos. Like they made it harder for themselves for whatever reason (incompetence, being sociopaths and not caring, both)

 

[Sinister]

if that is true, then the protection order is no longer valid. From what I read, he has to go back anyway to his home country when his situation back home in El Salvador becomes safe. So he is already in the right place to be. Maybe he can come back to the US legally this time.



^ just saw this. Lol

Bukele: "We won't return him because we dont smuggle terrorists into the United States."

Also Bukele: "Hey look everyone we let this terrorist meet for a photo op and sip margaritas with a US Senator and have treated said terrorist with nothing but kindness and gentleness!!"

 

[Rational Poster]

It actually all comes back to that the constitution never allowed Biden or other Dem officials to let them in illegally and ignore them in the first place.

But you don't seem to have a problem with that. Funny that eh.

He came to the country in 2011 when he was sixteen and was granted protection from deportation to El Salvador in 2019 during the Trump administration.

Hope this helps your confusion on the topic.

 

[BFoe]

He came to the country in 2011 when he was sixteen and was granted protection from deportation to El Salvador in 2019 during the Trump administration.

Hope this helps your confusion on the topic.

It won’t help his confusion. I decided to walk away from that convo, because that dude is so out of his depth when it comes to understanding the legal and constitutional sides of this issue you’ll never make progress. He just has wildly false ideas that he doesn’t know are false and will never accept that just because you or I say so.

 

[Richmma80]

He came to the country in 2011 when he was sixteen and was granted protection from deportation to El Salvador in 2019 during the Trump administration.

Hope this helps your confusion on the topic.

Do you feel sorry for his wife that he beats?

 

[cincymma79]

 

[MrShady]

Do you feel sorry for his wife that he beats?

If he is a domestic abuser he's a piece of shit. Also I find it interesting suddenly MAGA is all about #Believeallwomen ?

Kilmar Abrego Garcia has been accused of domestic abuse by his wife, Jennifer Vasquez Sura, who sought a restraining order against him in 2021.

However, Vasquez Sura later dropped the restraining order and downplayed the incident, stating she acted out of caution and didn't pursue the restraining order further after counseling.

In totally unrelated news,

Donald Trump has been accused of domestic abuse by his ex wife, Ivana Trump, alleging Donald Trump had "raped" her, claiming he pulled out handfuls of her hair and hit her in the face. Ivana Trump also alleged that Donald Trump was physically abusive to her during their marriage.

Ivana and Donald Trump divorced in 1992, with Ivana receiving a significant financial settlement.

Either you say that an allegation is enough for a conviction in both cases or you don't.

 

[deviake]

It won’t help his confusion. I decided to walk away from that convo, because that dude is so out of his depth when it comes to understanding the legal and constitutional sides of this issue you’ll never make progress. He just has wildly false ideas that he doesn’t know are false and will never accept that just because you or I say so.

When discussing something done by the Trump regime that flagrantly violates the Constitution, if someone keeps arguing I walk away. If someone is going to argue against basic facts of which there is no debate, there's no point.

 

[Crazy Source]

When discussing something done by the Trump regime that flagrantly violates the Constitution, if someone keeps arguing I walk away. If someone is going to argue against basic facts of which there is no debate, there's no point.

And the guy @BFoe was talking about doesn't care that what is happening is illegal. At that point I walked away from the conversation. There was nothing left to talk about.

 

[deviake]

Do you feel sorry for his wife that he beats?

If he's a domestic abuser he's a piece of shit, but the Constitution is still the Constitution. But don't try to pull that card motherfucker like you give a shit. Trump's regime is full of abusers including him himself and he pardoned violent criminals and s so fucking spare us that bullshit.

 

[DanSavage]

Does a misdemeanor (being an illegal alien) = lifetime sentence in CECOT?

That's a question for him, not me.

He's the one who chose to enter and stay in the USA without going through the lawful immigration process.

 

[DoctorTaco]

That's a question for him, not me.

He's the one who chose to enter and stay in the USA without going through the lawful immigration process.

I think we can assume the answer he’d give is, “no.”

 

[MrShady]

That's a question for him, not me.

He's the one who chose to enter and stay in the USA without going through the lawful immigration process.

You're the one who said it's a federal crime to illegally enter the states. I asked if it's civil or criminal. You said while deportation is the standard, there could be fines or jail because it's a misdemeanor. I'm asking if a misdemeanor conviction is the same as a sentence in CECOT?

Suddenly you don't know the meaning of misdemeanor? Or you think it's okay for the Trump administration to deport and send illegal aliens to CECOT, without a conviction on their record other than illegally entering the states, which you said is a misdemeanor?

You're not fooling anyone man. Either say what you mean or stfu about it

 

[BFoe]

That's a question for him, not me.

He's the one who chose to enter and stay in the USA without going through the lawful immigration process.

It’s not even a question for him, anyone could answer this.

If Abrego Garcia is imprisoned for the crime of illegal entry—which it’s unlikely he would be, because it’s a misdemeanor—then he should have been sentenced in a U.S. court and serve time in a US jail. If that’s the crime he’s guilty of, he has no business being in another country’s prison.

If he’s being deported, then he typically wouldn’t be jailed at all in the country of origin, unless they didn’t finish serving time here, which isn’t he case.

Lastly, El Salvador is literally the one country on earth he was forbidden to be deported to, so that should never have happened either.

 

[MrShady]

It’s not even a question for him, anyone could answer this.

If Abrego Garcia is imprisoned for the crime of illegal entry—which it’s unlikely he would be, because it’s a misdemeanor—then he should have been sentenced in a U.S. court and serve time in a US jail. If that’s the crime he’s guilty of, he has no business being in another country’s prison.

If he’s being deported, then he typically wouldn’t be jailed at all in the country of origin, unless they didn’t finish serving time here, which isn’t he case.

Lastly, El Salvador is literally the one country on earth he was forbidden to be deported to, so that should never have happened either.

These kind of people aren't trying to have good faith discussions. They deflect, move goalposts, weasel outta arguments, they just want their side winning as if it's a sports match or something. You ask a simple question and suddenly he cannot answer lol

 

[Crazy Source]

These kind of people aren't trying to have good faith discussions. They deflect, move goalposts, weasel outta arguments, they just want their side winning as if it's a sports match or something. You ask a simple question and suddenly he cannot answer lol

I came to that conclusion a day or so ago. They are disgusting swine gorging at the trough of grievance.

 

[DanSavage]

You're the one who said it's a federal crime to illegally enter the states. I asked if it's civil or criminal. You said while deportation is the standard, there could be fines or jail because it's a misdemeanor. I'm asking if a misdemeanor conviction is the same as a sentence in CECOT?

Suddenly you don't know the meaning of misdemeanor? Or you think it's okay for the Trump administration to deport and send illegal aliens to CECOT, without a conviction on their record other than illegally entering the states, which you said is a misdemeanor?

I think it's okay to send illegal aliens who also are active members of MS13 to CECOT.

 

[MrShady]

I think it's okay to send illegal aliens who also are active members of MS13 to CECOT.

Fair enough.

Was the gay barber/makeup artist an active member?
Was the guy with a younger autistic brother an active member?
Is this guy an active member?

Before you go full Whippy McGee, a Gang Field Interview police report that alleges him to be a member, is not sufficient evidence or proof to confirm him as a member.

So, going full circle, have any of these 3 guys received the due process necessary to establish whether or not they're active gang members. That's the key point.

None of them committed a crime other than being illegals. None of them are confirmed as being active gang members, other than some tattoos and heresay.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Do you feel sorry for his wife that he beats?

lol, she can’t even answer this question. The dems will clearly lose this infowar

Crazy her lawyer, who failed to disclose these and other legal proceedings, didn’t prep her to answer this question

 

[BFoe]

Judge issues preliminary injunction to bring a halt to Trump’s rapid deportations to 3rd countries.

US judge halts Trump plan for rapid deportations to third countries

(Reuters) -A U.S. judge barred the Trump administration from rapidly deporting hundreds if not thousands of migrants to countries other than their own without giving them a chance to show they fear being persecuted, tortured or killed there. U.S. District Judge Brian Murphy's preliminary...

www.yahoo.com

Let’s see if the orange POS abides by it.