Crime Trump Administration Sent Legal Immigrant to Prison in El Salvador

[DanSavage]

What is exactly a "legal immigrant", because if you enter America legally under a tourist or student visa, you are a legal immigrant, but if you start working in America with a tourist visa you suddenly become an "illegal immigrant" like Elon for example.

The dude was barred from being deported, that was his status.

No such thing as an illegal immigrant. Someone who does not follow US immigration laws, such as a tourist overstaying their visa become illegal aliens.

No, he was granted withholding of removal in 2019, but that only meant he couldn't be deported back to El Salvador, not that he couldn't be deported.

See: In re: Kilmer Armado ABREGO-GARCIA

 

[Rational Poster]

No such thing as an illegal immigrant. Someone who does not follow US immigration laws, such as a tourist overstaying their visa become illegal aliens.

No, he was granted withholding of removal in 2019, but that only meant he couldn't be deported back to El Salvador, not that he couldn't be deported.

But they deported him back to El Salvador

 

[Mr Holmes]

First, there's no such thing as an illegal immigrant, illegal migrant, undocumented migrant, undocumented migrant, ad nauseum. These are leftist terms designed to legitimize criminal behavior.

An immigrant is someone who's gone through the process to be in the USA legally, either through a student visa, tourism visa, is a resident alien or naturalized citizen.

There are two main types of U.S. visas: immigrant visas, which are for individuals intending to live permanently in the U.S., and nonimmigrant visas, which are for temporary visits for purposes like tourism, business, or study. Nonimmigrant visas include categories such as tourist (B-2), business (B-1), and student visas (F-1).

Someone who has not gone through the process to obtain a visa or become a naturalized citizen has broken US immigration laws and is thus, an illegal alien.

Next, No, Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia was not in the United States legally



Well, duh! He's an MS-13 gang member. IOW, he's exactly where he belongs: In an El Salvadoran prison.

This makes sense. So he was supposed to be deported just not to El Salvador.

 

[DanSavage]

But they deported him back to El Salvador

After living here illegally for 14 years. Too bad, so sad.

Perhaps he should have applied for asylum the legal way, at a port of entry, instead of crossing the border and trying to fly under the radar.

 

[DanSavage]

This makes sense. So he was supposed to be deported just not to El Salvador.

If you take his word that he wasn't an MS-13 gang member, then you would be correct.

 

[Kassitus]

Trump did an oopsies. Sorry

 

[Rational Poster]

After living here illegally for 14 years. Too bad, so sad.

Perhaps he should have applied for asylum the legal way, at a port of entry, instead of crossing the border and trying to fly under the radar.

But the court order granting him protected status is from 2019 saying he's not to be deported to El Salvador.

 

[BFoe]

After living here illegally for 14 years. Too bad, so sad.

Perhaps he should have applied for asylum the legal way, at a port of entry, instead of crossing the border and trying to fly under the radar.

Trump did an oopsies. Sorry

No, the Trump Administration should have respected a legal, binding order not to deport back to El Salvador.
What was done is absolutely unacceptable, and what’s even more troubling is the argument they lay out in this court filing here.

The argument they’re putting forth is pretty dystopian: namely, that the only redress Garcia has to be released would be to file a writ of habeus corpus, but since he is in the custody of a foreign government, no US court has jurisdiction to hear the case.
—In other words, if they can nab a motherfucker off the street, shove them onto a plane to a prison in another country, that person has no legal means of challenging their captivity and getting out.
That’s some terrifying shit.

You guys won’t care, because you don’t GAF about the people he’s doing it to—so far.
We’ve already seen the Trump Admin commit one “oopsies,” and ignore a judges order not to deport. Now we have another “oopsies” in which another judge’s order is disregarded, and they’re trying to allege there’s no legal means of redress for the victim.

As respectfully as I can say this, you both need to wake the fuck up to the abuses that are being carried out by this administration. It may start with these immigrants, but I highly doubt it will end there.

 

[Rod1]

Anyone who enters the USA without going through the immigration process is considered to have broken US immigration laws.

A lot of immigrants enter legally as tourists or students and then proceed to work.

He was granted withholding of removal in 2019, but that only meant he couldn't be deported back to El Salvador, not that he couldn't be deported.

But he was deported to El Salvador...

 

[Rod1]

No such thing as an illegal immigrant. Someone who does not follow US immigration laws, such as a tourist overstaying their visa become illegal aliens.

Illegal alien is a layman term not a legal one.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

The comment I was replying specified Hispanic, not immigrants.

Yes, and you specifically tied Hispanics voting for Trump to immigration since, "many of them are familiar with the gang violence they fled from" <---- that's a direct quote from you.

Hence my pointing out the difference between Hispanics and immigrants.

Illegal immigrants or legal immigrants? Naturally the majority of legal immigrants tend to behave themselves in a country they're trying to live in.

It's OK. I know why you didn't specify.

Wrong AGAIN


An NIJ-funded study examining data from the Texas Department of Public Safety estimated the rate at which undocumented immigrants are arrested for committing crimes. The study found that undocumented immigrants are arrested at less than half the rate of native-born U.S. citizens for violent and drug crimes and a quarter the rate of native-born citizens for property crimes

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docs.house.gov

And NIJ = National Institute of Justice, by the way. In case you're one of those "SoRoS fUnDeD iNsTiTuTiOn!" types

 

[DanSavage]

But the court order granting him protected status is from 2019 saying he's not to be deported to El Salvador.

US immigration laws say he shouldn't have been here in the first place.

Perhaps if he'd gone through the legal immigration process, he wouldn't be in his current situation.

 

[Rational Poster]

US immigration laws say he shouldn't have been here in the first place.

Perhaps if he'd gone through the legal immigration process, he wouldn't be in his current situation.

He went through the legal system and was granted protected status in 2019.

 

[DanSavage]

Illegal alien is a layman term not a legal one.

 

[DanSavage]

He went through the legal system and was granted protected status in 2019.

No, he was granted withholding of removal in 2019 that only said he wasn't to be deported to El Salvador.

It did nothing to protect him from him being deported to another country.

 

[MMA IAN]

Yes, and you specifically tied Hispanics voting for Trump to immigration since, "many of them are familiar with the gang violence they fled from" <---- that's a direct quote from you.

Hence my pointing out the difference between Hispanics and immigrants.



Wrong AGAIN


An NIJ-funded study examining data from the Texas Department of Public Safety estimated the rate at which undocumented immigrants are arrested for committing crimes. The study found that undocumented immigrants are arrested at less than half the rate of native-born U.S. citizens for violent and drug crimes and a quarter the rate of native-born citizens for property crimes

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docs.house.gov

And NIJ = National Institute of Justice, by the way. In case you're one of those "SoRoS fUnDeD iNsTiTuTiOn!" types

Just because the source is funded by a Soros or Musk, doesn't mean the information is wrong, it just gives a reason to look a bit closer and there's nothing wrong with that.

You see many trans studies funded, or researched by left leaning organisations, while anti-trans studies are often funded by the right leaning. It doesn't mean either of them are wrong and I'll always look at the content instead of dismissing it because of the source.

That being said, I looked I what you posted, which as you said, I've seen around the traps before and it appears it's used because it's data at point of arrest. When immigration status isn't always clear.

once the illegal immigrants identified during their prison stays are added to the total count of illegals, their homicide rate rises to 3.9 per 100,000

It's right wing think tank research of course, but you're not going to find a left wing one looking at this. If you have a problem with their data I'm happy to hear about it.

Misuse of Data Understates Illegal Immigrant Criminality

Activists and academics have been misusing data from the Texas DPS in studies claiming that illegal immigrants have relatively low crime rates.

cis.org

 

[Rational Poster]

No, he was granted withholding of removal in 2019 that only said he wasn't to be deported to El Salvador.

It did nothing to protect him from him being deported to another country.

But they deported him to El Salvador, violating the order.

 

[DanSavage]

A lot of immigrants enter legally as tourists or students and then proceed to work.

Tourist and student visas specifically say the holder cannot work. If they do, they're breaking US immigration law.

 

[Rational Poster]

Tourist and student visas specifically say the holder cannot work. If they do, they're breaking US immigration law.

Elon Musk did that.

 

[DanSavage]

But they deported him to El Salvador, violating the order.

Perhaps if he had gone through the legal immigration process, he wouldn't be in his current situation.