That was objectively boring as f***

[Marko Polo]

Not all wresting heavy fights are boring
This wasn't
It wasn't lay and pray. Makhachev was trying submissions, GnP but not giving up position. He wasn't stalling.
JDM on the other hand was hanging on for dear life doing everything not to get submitted. Similar to Volk in the first fight

He wasn’t committing to anything. He was doing whatever to avoid being stood up while maintaining top position. He wouldn’t posture up to inflict more damage, try to soften him up to get a submission. Nothing.

 

[ejazahmednit]

He wasn’t committing to anything. He was doing whatever to avoid being stood up while maintaining top position. He wouldn’t posture up to inflict more damage, try to soften him up to get a submission. Nothing.

I respect you for your AV. But I have to disagree. I saw his trying multiple attempts at a head and arm choke but JDM was trapping his leg like an octopus. He also tried a D'Arce and landed multiple heavy elbows in 4 and 5

 

[rod_stroker_420]

What would ya'll think about introducing a submission clock to MMA similar to the sambo rule set?

• Once the match goes to the ground, the attacking fighter has to immediately transition to a pass and submission attempt, any kind of stalling or holding for more than 10 seconds is stopped and fighters stand up
• If a submission attempt is initiated, the attacking fighter has a set time (around one minute) to complete the submission or the defender has that same time to escape the hold. The referee will stop and stand the fighters up if submission is not complete after one minute
• In either case from the moment the takedown or throw is initiated the aggressor has 60 seconds to submit otherwise its stand up again, if its ground and pound once again the aggressor has to be trying to knock the bottom player out with elbows and hammers for the whole 60 seconds on the ground, no pitty patty hold on with one hand Khamzat punches.

Would need high level of timekeeping support and referee competence (not you Herzog)

 

[bjjwar]

So Islam landed 26 sig strikes in 25min? Is thid an all time low record for someone that won a fight?Even Almeida prob landed more in his last loss where he didnt throw 1 strike lol.

 

[DrRodentia]

I respect you for your AV. But I have to disagree. I saw his trying multiple attempts at a head and arm choke but JDM was trapping his leg like an octopus. He also tried a D'Arce and landed multiple heavy elbows in 4 and 5

You are right. JDM spent a high percentage of the fight in one submission threat or another. He did just enough to fend them off.

 

[Squarechoke]

The fight was about as I expected. JDM wasn't game enough to make it an exciting fight, which I had suspected despite him beating Belal.

Regarding Islam he fought a smart and safe fight, which is fair since you have to be good enough to even have that option. Hardly surprising most won't find it entertaining though. To me it was worse seeing him again parade with his LW belt afterwards. He's not the LW champ and it's disrespectful to the one that is.

 

[Young Calf Kick]

oh look it's the whaaaaaaambulance personnel all butthurt about Islam just being really good

agreed it wasn't the most exiting fight but y'all are so entitled it's funny

 

[JustforBROCK]

*shrug* it was mostly boring. Wasn't as bad as the ddp-khamzat but was still pretty boring. I'm old, work, and struggle to make it to the ME of most of these cards anyway .... If you have me falling sleep by the 3rd I'm going to bed and I'll check the results in the morning. It was clear was Islam was trying to do. Yep, it's apart of the fight game, but it's still boring.

 

[DrRodentia]

What would ya'll think about introducing a submission clock to MMA similar to the sambo rule set?

• Once the match goes to the ground, the attacking fighter has to immediately transition to a pass and submission attempt, any kind of stalling or holding for more than 10 seconds is stopped and fighters stand up
• If a submission attempt is initiated, the attacking fighter has a set time (around one minute) to complete the submission or the defender has that same time to escape the hold. The referee will stop and stand the fighters up if submission is not complete after one minute
• In either case from the moment the takedown or throw is initiated the aggressor has 60 seconds to submit otherwise its stand up again, if its ground and pound once again the aggressor has to be trying to knock the bottom player out with elbows and hammers for the whole 60 seconds on the ground, no pitty patty hold on with one hand Khamzat punches.

Would need high level of timekeeping support and referee competence (not you Herzog)

What does it really prove to help a fighter that can't stop themselves from being controlled? Shouldn't great fighters just not get controlled to that level through their own work and ability to turn things around with their own skills?

If the ref stands them up and grants the fighter being physically dominated a pass (do to his own inability to fight his way to his feet) and he ends up scoring a KO, does that win not feel lessened because it only happened because of ref intervention?

 

[Cemalex88]

Sitting in half guard for 4 minutes of a round doing nothing. You got Kebab in the corner commanding Islam to not make the fight exciting.

Don’t give me that “well JDM should have been able to get up” Islam trains to do just what he did. He trains to control in those positions while JDM is training to be offensive, combinations.

When Belal fought Leon, I wanted Leon to win more than anything. He’s English like myself, and the way Belal was carrying on pre fight it built the fight more. By the end of the fight Belal had earned my respect with his performance. He was in the pocket trading, mixing things up with his grappling to do damage. I had to take my hat off to him

Tonight I wanted JDM to win. What we saw take place was tragic. Just like Khamzat’s performance vs DDP. Eastern fighters are killing the sport, they are completely bereft of any semblance of showmanship

You are not fan of mma or ufc . You are just a fanboy who like that sport when your boys are winning. That looks like a being a Chicago fans when they were winning with Jordan.

This is mixed martial arts and grappling or wrestling is one of the part of it. When your boy were smashed under the hopeless domination , you should swallow it instead of whining which looks like pathetic.

It was JDM's responsibility to get up, not Islam's problem. He dominated your guy and showed how ordinary he is. Just like Khamzat did to DDP. You just could not see wrestling and grappling as a talent and suppose handling a guy like JMD on the groung is easy. Islam is much superior from the talent wise

Generational talent smashed an ordinary guy. That is it

Grappling doesnt beat striking. Generational-level grappling beats ordinary striking.

 

[Eric Silva 2.0]

Sitting in half guard for 4 minutes of a round doing nothing. You got Kebab in the corner commanding Islam to not make the fight exciting.

Don’t give me that “well JDM should have been able to get up” Islam trains to do just what he did. He trains to control in those positions while JDM is training to be offensive, combinations.

When Belal fought Leon, I wanted Leon to win more than anything. He’s English like myself, and the way Belal was carrying on pre fight it built the fight more. By the end of the fight Belal had earned my respect with his performance. He was in the pocket trading, mixing things up with his grappling to do damage. I had to take my hat off to him

Tonight I wanted JDM to win. What we saw take place was tragic. Just like Khamzat’s performance vs DDP. Eastern fighters are killing the sport, they are completely bereft of any semblance of showmanship

Do you think JDM has a part in this? It looked like he didn't do enough TDD/anti-grappling training. It's MMA and some fights won't be exciting in the way many hope for. I'm ok with fights like this happening sometimes. It's better for the sport. Strikers have to train more TDD and grappling. When they get better, they start beating the grapplers and the grapplers then have to start getting better at striking. It's how the sport evolves. What you are suggesting is the 'devolving' of the sport into rockem sockem robot type stuff. I think last night there was a healthy mix of both. JMHO

 

[TheBulge]

It was not a good fight and it's not a fight I will ever rewatch again. But it's simple, there's a lot on the line and once a fighter figures out something that is working very effectively, why should he stop using it. After the first round it was all up to JDM to put the heat on and make something happen, and it's not like Makachev shot in in the opening seconds of every round. JDM had some time to strike and set something up. I expected atleast something.

 

[rod_stroker_420]

What does it really prove to help a fighter that can't stop themselves from being controlled? Shouldn't great fighters just not get controlled to that level through their own work and ability to turn things around with their own skills?

I get your point. However its getting to the point where nearly 100% of the 25 mins will end up being control with faux punches and a few half assed submission attempts thrown in.

The Sambo rule set would allow the wrestler to still shoot and work for a finish but without having the ability to stay in one position without advancing for more than 1 minute.

 

[Marko Polo]

Do you think JDM has a part in this? It looked like he didn't do enough TDD/anti-grappling training. It's MMA and some fights won't be exciting in the way many hope for. I'm ok with fights like this happening sometimes. It's better for the sport. Strikers have to train more TDD and grappling. When they get better, they start beating the grapplers and the grapplers then have to start getting better at striking. It's how the sport evolves. What you are suggesting is the 'devolving' of the sport into rockem sockem robot type stuff. I think last night there was a healthy mix of both. JMHO

There’s only so many hours in the day brother. When it comes down to it fighters have to make a choice in training between being functional and boring or flashy and entertaining.

Now that’s fair enough, not everyone can be Anthony Pettis. But my issues lies with the way fights are officiated and scored. Grappling with no damage is too heavily incentivised under the current ruleset. It’s pointless to train to be anything other than boring, and as far as the spectator is concerned that’s a problem

 

[Marko Polo]

You are not fan of mma or ufc . You are just a fanboy who like that sport when your boys are winning. That looks like a being a Chicago fans when they were winning with Jordan.

This is mixed martial arts and grappling or wrestling is one of the part of it. When your boy were smashed under the hopeless domination , you should swallow it instead of whining which looks like pathetic.

It was JDM's responsibility to get up, not Islam's problem. He dominated your guy and showed how ordinary he is. Just like Khamzat did to DDP. You just could not see wrestling and grappling as a talent and suppose handling a guy like JMD on the groung is easy. Islam is much superior from the talent wise

Generational talent smashed an ordinary guy. That is it

Grappling doesnt beat striking. Generational-level grappling beats ordinary striking.

You’re not an mma fan. You’re a fan of guys from your regions stinking out fights because you’re biased.

 

[Zanmato]

He is an amazing fighter and what he does is technically skilled and impressive, but someone standing there holding 200kg over their head without dropping it would be impressive.. but I'm not really clamouring for 25 minutes of it. I found it dull as well but can't knock Makachev for doing what works, and doing it brilliantly

 

[Marko Polo]

In all honesty, it was bad, but JDM still did better than Du Plessis. It really puts that fight into perspective, how truly bad Du Plessis was that night.

I didn’t see DDP losing to Khamzat in the manner that he did, but I did have a thought in the lead up to that fight, that if/when DDP did lose, he would lose very very badly. Because of his style. He looks bad even when he wins

 

[Marko Polo]

What would ya'll think about introducing a submission clock to MMA similar to the sambo rule set?

• Once the match goes to the ground, the attacking fighter has to immediately transition to a pass and submission attempt, any kind of stalling or holding for more than 10 seconds is stopped and fighters stand up
• If a submission attempt is initiated, the attacking fighter has a set time (around one minute) to complete the submission or the defender has that same time to escape the hold. The referee will stop and stand the fighters up if submission is not complete after one minute
• In either case from the moment the takedown or throw is initiated the aggressor has 60 seconds to submit otherwise its stand up again, if its ground and pound once again the aggressor has to be trying to knock the bottom player out with elbows and hammers for the whole 60 seconds on the ground, no pitty patty hold on with one hand Khamzat punches.

Would need high level of timekeeping support and referee competence (not you Herzog)

The conversation about rule changes needs to be opened up.

Unified ruleset is stale now. Coaches have figured it out

 

[Chaotic Progressor]

Completely agree.

Even Dana said the other week 'you can't just lay on someone and win a fight', well let's make that fkn official already.

 

[The_Renaissance]

The card was very hit and miss, lots of stinkers punctuated by the odd great finish.